A fringe website featured the purported names and addresses of the Fulton County grand jury that indicted Trump and 18 others for their efforts to overturn the 2020 election.

A fringe website featured the purported names and addresses of the Fulton County grand jury that indicted Trump and 18 others for their efforts to overturn the 2020 election.

  • athos77@kbin.social
    2253·
    10 months ago

    I looked at the indictment last night and noticed it included the names of the grand jurors. I dropped my head into my hands, knowing this was inevitable. I don’t understand why the names weren’t reacted.

    • 4am@lemm.ee
      147·
      10 months ago

      Georgia law is that grand jurors names are public.

      Yeah, pretty naive. Or evil. Maybe both?

      • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world
        70·
        10 months ago

        It prevents loading the jury to get a specific outcome. That said, it should come with protection or a delay or something.

        • BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world
          303·
          10 months ago

          Not saying it is, but showing me, a regular citizen, these names convinces me the jury wasn’t loaded? Does the defendant have no role in Grand jury selection?

          • DoctorWhookah@sh.itjust.works
            39·
            10 months ago

            No, the defendant doesn’t. This isn’t a trial jury, it’s the Fulton County Grand Jury. The GJ sits for an extended period (maybe a month, someone step in and correct me if I’m wrong) and listens to cases brought by the prosecutor. The GJ job is to decide if the prosecutor has enough of a case to indict. It seems in this case, she did.

            • vortic@lemmy.world
              13·
              10 months ago

              That’s generally right. In Fulton County they sit for two months. There were two different grand jurys here, though.

              There was a Special Grand Jury who met for 8 months and investigated the specific crimes related to the Trump case. They issued a report in January detailing all of the evidence that they heard.

              In GA, though, a Special Grand Jury can’t issue an indictment. The report was passed to a normal grand jury who heard all of the evidence, then issued the indictment. That grand jury was first seated on July 11th.

              source

      • athos77@kbin.social
        25·
        10 months ago

        I didn’t know that. I wish they had a process for applying to redact, for cases like this :(

        • peopleproblems@lemmy.world
          43·
          10 months ago

          Pretty sure grand Jurors are professionals in most if not all common law states.

          A couple of the peoples titles on the list pointed me towards that they are.

          Edit: I’m pretty certain I’m wrong. There’s something else I must be confusing it with

    • Infynis@midwest.social
      543·
      10 months ago

      There’s all kinds of laws like this that are super old, and really harmful in modern life. Like name changes having to be published in the paper, and home ownership being public information. Sorry trans people, if you want to legally change your name, you have to be out to everyone! And don’t even think about buying a house if there’s someone you don’t want knowing where you live, like an abusive family member or ex!

      They’re left over from times when information was harder to come by, and they absolutely need to be changed, but our governments are bad at legislating for modern problems

      • pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz
        3·
        10 months ago

        🤔 Is it possible for an abuse victim to buy a house through an LLC to avoid that problem? How does that work for real estate businesses?

        • Infynis@midwest.social
          3·
          10 months ago

          It is actually! I have a friend who’s dad is extremely libertarian (despite having been a marine?), And he bought his house under an LLC for pricacy’s sake. I’m sure it would work for less crazy reasons as well

          • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
            1·
            10 months ago

            Interesting. I wonder if you could buy a home zoned for single family, sell it to a LLC that you run, then rent it out to two families (if one is your own) since it is now commercial rental.

            • Infynis@midwest.social
              2·
              10 months ago

              From what I’ve read, living in a house you buy yourself makes it lose most of the protection of an LLC, because you have “pierced the corporate veil”. All it really ends up doing is protecting your identity

      • Katana314@lemmy.world
        2·
        10 months ago

        Unfortunately, while you’re citing lots of very valid cases of innocent people being victimized, I also think that the trail of information that follows people is very important for systems of justice.

        Imagine criminals getting away with white collar crime, having changed their name to make it more difficult for people to publicly scrutinize them.

        I can’t quite imagine what protections might make sense to keep trans people safe, and it’s hard for me to think about which group should be prioritized. Of course, ideally, we’d live in a world where anyone retaliating to someone’s gender transition would be headed for a hard time themselves.

      • kool_newt@lemm.ee
        19·
        10 months ago

        As I understand this is the law of the state, it would’ve been illegal to not make the names public. The reasoning is based on transparency – secret jurors would make for less trust.

  • MicroWave@lemmy.worldOP
    155·
    10 months ago

    “It’s becoming all too commonplace to see everyday citizens performing necessary functions for our democracy being targeted with violent threats by Trump-supporting extremists," Jones said. "The lack of political leadership on the right to denounce these threats — which serve to inspire real-world political violence— is shameful.”

    And there’s also this:

    Yesterday — after Trump posted on his social media website that authorities were going “after those that fought to find the RIGGERS!” — Advance Democracy noted that Trump supporters were “using the term ‘rigger’ in lieu of a racial slur” in posts online.

      • SIGSEGV@sh.itjust.works
        12·
        10 months ago

        Uh, I think those that are inclined have already acknowledged this. The others are very likely a lost cause, if this recent spate of reporting hasn’t convinced them that Trump is a freaking manipulator and crook. Where do we go from here? I don’t know how so many extremists could possibly just, you know, stop being so extreme. Naively, a civil war could fix the issue, but that is the last thing we need–war is never the answer.

    • Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social
      41·
      10 months ago

      Advance Democracy noted that Trump supporters were “using the term ‘rigger’ in lieu of a racial slur” in posts online.

      Classy as ever

      • Raging LibTarg@lemmy.world
        38·
        10 months ago

        The instant I saw the word “RIGGERS” in his bitch ass post yesterday, I knew exactly what it actually meant. Just more dog whistling fog horn blasting racism from The Cheeto Mussolini. 😡

    • dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world
      20·
      10 months ago

      Trump supporters were “using the term ‘rigger’ in lieu of a racial slur” in posts online.

      How to get your ass kicked by A/V professionals, 3D animators, and pirates… all in one fell swoop!

    • grue@lemmy.world
      4·
      10 months ago

      "The lack of political leadership on the right to denounce these threats — which serve to inspire real-world political violence— is shameful.”

      Charge every Republican politician who fails to publicly denounce them as an accessory to whatever crimes get committed against these grand jurors.

  • eestileib@sh.itjust.works
    69·
    10 months ago

    Sadly, predictable.

    Equally sad and Equally predictable, this (and the ensuing harrassment) will have the approval of the Republican party.

    • just_another_person@lemmy.world
      32·
      10 months ago

      Can you imagine what kind of world or country we could have if all these MAGA-turds focused their energy on constructive things rather than DEstructive? It’s so sad.

      • Professor_Piddles@sh.itjust.works
        142·
        10 months ago

        Seems like most politicians want us fighting right vs left, rather than bottom vs top. And a scary number of people just eat that shit up

      • SirStumps@lemmy.world
        3·
        10 months ago

        Unfortunately any extremist views and actions seem only to cause harm. If that energy was focused towards more helpful notions we would be in paradise by now.

  • DandomRude@lemmy.world
    57·
    10 months ago

    When someone quite obviously rejects both the electoral system and the legal system unless they work to his advantage, one must surely get the impression that this person simply has no interest in democracy at all.

      • DandomRude@lemmy.world
        6·
        10 months ago

        Well, who would have thought that this hypothetical guy, let’s call him Tronald Drump, would turn out to be such a menace? Totally unexpected…

      • Empricorn@feddit.nl
        5·
        10 months ago

        Uh, I feel like you’re not considering the fact that he has an ® next to his name? Source: Red states that are near the bottom in every metric for quality-of-life.

    • dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world
      282·
      10 months ago

      Even easier: just reassign the guys from his detail to protect those people, until there’s nobody left to cover his entourage.

  • Diplomjodler@feddit.de
    372·
    10 months ago

    If those were BLM activists, they’d have a SWAT team breaking down their door within minutes of posting this.

    • yukichigai@kbin.social
      351·
      10 months ago

      Imagine becoming a fed because you want to uphold the law and chase down bad guys, figuring you’re going to be tracking down drug dealers and human traffickers and mafia goons, and instead you get tasked with running down Karen and Cletus who decided to firebomb a house based on something they read on RealTruthPatriotNewsDaily-dot-net.

      • Hubi@feddit.de
        11·
        10 months ago

        Imagine the briefings with everyone just sitting there with their heads buried in their hands

        • Protoknuckles@lemmy.world
          11·
          10 months ago

          Just heavy sighing, the sound of liquor being poured into a glass at 9am and every so often, a truly exasperated “fuuuuuuuuuck!”

        • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
          3·
          10 months ago

          The FBI agents I feel for are the ones that have to go on sites like 4chan or whatever other social media sites the rightwing thinks is safe.

          F4 Not a crime, not a crime, not a crime, not a crime

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          F4 Wait! Ok never mind. Not a crime…

          Then once a week they finally get Jethro or Jayden the basement dweller.

      • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
        7·
        10 months ago

        A guy I work with has a masters in engineering degree, graduated with honors, went to a school that is world known for engineer was telling me how he spent two days sorting out the parts numbering scheme in the database. He has to do it twice because upper management changed their mind after he finished the first time.

        Your dreams and mileage may vary.

  • Smacks@lemmy.world
    30·
    10 months ago

    Everyone involved in this case should have 24/7 protection. This is probably gonna get messy

  • Syrc@lemmy.world
    324·
    10 months ago

    Completely normal behavior for peaceful supporters of a law-abiding citizen. Who wouldn’t do some friendly doxxing to support their absolutely innocent leader.

    • stealthnerd@lemmy.world
      16·
      10 months ago

      Right, the fact that they dug up their addresses and posted them is the disturbing part. The article, particularly the headline, is misleading.