Trust me, we had the same discussion for a long time already in Europe. Its not as easy as you think it is, and the rise of the populist right is largely because the center-left parties thought they could do what you propose.
Nowhere did I say that I think this is in any way easy. What I’m saying is that unless the left can connect with people on tangible material issues that affect them then majority of people will go to people who do. The reason the right is gaining popularity is precisely because they talk about things that people are experiencing personally. The center-left parties you talk of are opportunists, they don’t have real convictions, and they offer no solutions. This is why they have no popularity.
Again, if what you advocate for worked then it would be the left growing and not the right. Maybe try doing some self reflection instead of spending your time being condescending and smearing people. Why is your approach not working, why is it that the right and not the left growing. What will happen if material conditions continue to deteriorate, where will people flood to?
Failing to understand what is causing the majority of the economic issue of the people (as I have shown to you multiple times already now, using data from sources you yourself shared), is a sure way to fail improving the economic conditions of people.
That’s the problem, you haven’t shown that at all. You just keep repeating yourself like a broken record and ignoring many holes in your argument. You just keep ignoring the elephant in the room. As far as I can tell, the real reason here is that it doesn’t fit your narrative that Europe doesn’t actually need cheap energy or the current industries that employ people. You see this as an opportunity to transition to renewables, and you apparently don’t care about the suffering involved in doing this transition in the fashion it’s being done. Telling people that their jobs are no longer necessary and that their skills are worthless is precisely what drives them to the right.
The “elephant in the room” that is maybe responsible for 10-15% of the overall problems we see in Europe. I have shown you this multiple times now. It just doesn’t fit the narrative that you are so stuck to, hence you keep ignoring the facts.
The facts are that massive civil unrest coincides with the economic war. You have yet to provide an alternative explanation for why that should happen. There are of course underlying problems that are inherent in capitalism, and the contradictions have been building for many decades now. The pandemic and the economic war on top of it are acting as catalysts triggering the systemic collapse. If you think that the current system will survive mostly as it is and just going to need some light reforms then you’re deluded.
What “mass civil unrest”? Those relatively rich petty bourgeoisie farmers in the Netherlands protesting environmental regulations which has nothing to do with energy prices? Or those few thousand people protesting in Moldova due to being highly effected by the war in Ukraine next door?
If anything, the narrative that the issues are mainly caused by the sanctions and the cut of energy exports from Russia (which they arn’t) is stabilizing the system. Which is precisely why those right-wing tabloids and neo-liberal publications from the UK are not afraid of pushing that narrative.
It’s utter dishonesty to claim that energy prices don’t play a role, especially in an energy intensive industry like framing. And as I’ve repeatedly said, the protests aren’t just happening in Netherlands. The protests are all over Europe. It’s absolutely incredible that you’re able to trivialize this in your head.
If anything, the narrative that the issues are mainly caused by the sanctions and the cut of energy exports from Russia (which they arn’t) is stabilizing the system. Which is precisely why those right-wing tabloids and neo-liberal publications from the UK are not afraid of pushing that narrative.
The UK is one of the biggest backers of the war, and it’s absurd to claim that British neocon media would be pushing a narrative that encourages the end of the war.
It’s obvious that it’s not possible to have a rational and honest discussion on the topic with you. However, we will see who is correct come spring when the current gas reserves run out. Either everything is gonna magically work out, or we’ll see an economic crash that pushes people to the right because the left ignored the problem.
Source? Because as a local I can tell you there aren’t any. Please share all those reports of protests all over Europe /s I wish there were some proper protests against the astonishing levels of bad governance here, but currently it isn’t happening.
absurd to claim that British neocon media would be pushing a narrative that encourages the end of the war.
Its only absurd when you have a total lack of understanding what is really happening. Public opinion polls still show broad support for Ukraine (and high economic anxiety). Thus by blaming the economic issues purely on the “evil Russians” they found a convenient scapegoat knowing full well that this will never result in increased support for leftist ideas.
Trust me, we had the same discussion for a long time already in Europe. Its not as easy as you think it is, and the rise of the populist right is largely because the center-left parties thought they could do what you propose.
Nowhere did I say that I think this is in any way easy. What I’m saying is that unless the left can connect with people on tangible material issues that affect them then majority of people will go to people who do. The reason the right is gaining popularity is precisely because they talk about things that people are experiencing personally. The center-left parties you talk of are opportunists, they don’t have real convictions, and they offer no solutions. This is why they have no popularity.
Again, if what you advocate for worked then it would be the left growing and not the right. Maybe try doing some self reflection instead of spending your time being condescending and smearing people. Why is your approach not working, why is it that the right and not the left growing. What will happen if material conditions continue to deteriorate, where will people flood to?
Failing to understand what is causing the majority of the economic issue of the people (as I have shown to you multiple times already now, using data from sources you yourself shared), is a sure way to fail improving the economic conditions of people.
That’s the problem, you haven’t shown that at all. You just keep repeating yourself like a broken record and ignoring many holes in your argument. You just keep ignoring the elephant in the room. As far as I can tell, the real reason here is that it doesn’t fit your narrative that Europe doesn’t actually need cheap energy or the current industries that employ people. You see this as an opportunity to transition to renewables, and you apparently don’t care about the suffering involved in doing this transition in the fashion it’s being done. Telling people that their jobs are no longer necessary and that their skills are worthless is precisely what drives them to the right.
The “elephant in the room” that is maybe responsible for 10-15% of the overall problems we see in Europe. I have shown you this multiple times now. It just doesn’t fit the narrative that you are so stuck to, hence you keep ignoring the facts.
The facts are that massive civil unrest coincides with the economic war. You have yet to provide an alternative explanation for why that should happen. There are of course underlying problems that are inherent in capitalism, and the contradictions have been building for many decades now. The pandemic and the economic war on top of it are acting as catalysts triggering the systemic collapse. If you think that the current system will survive mostly as it is and just going to need some light reforms then you’re deluded.
What “mass civil unrest”? Those relatively rich petty bourgeoisie farmers in the Netherlands protesting environmental regulations which has nothing to do with energy prices? Or those few thousand people protesting in Moldova due to being highly effected by the war in Ukraine next door?
If anything, the narrative that the issues are mainly caused by the sanctions and the cut of energy exports from Russia (which they arn’t) is stabilizing the system. Which is precisely why those right-wing tabloids and neo-liberal publications from the UK are not afraid of pushing that narrative.
It’s utter dishonesty to claim that energy prices don’t play a role, especially in an energy intensive industry like framing. And as I’ve repeatedly said, the protests aren’t just happening in Netherlands. The protests are all over Europe. It’s absolutely incredible that you’re able to trivialize this in your head.
The UK is one of the biggest backers of the war, and it’s absurd to claim that British neocon media would be pushing a narrative that encourages the end of the war.
It’s obvious that it’s not possible to have a rational and honest discussion on the topic with you. However, we will see who is correct come spring when the current gas reserves run out. Either everything is gonna magically work out, or we’ll see an economic crash that pushes people to the right because the left ignored the problem.
Source? Because as a local I can tell you there aren’t any. Please share all those reports of protests all over Europe /s I wish there were some proper protests against the astonishing levels of bad governance here, but currently it isn’t happening.
Its only absurd when you have a total lack of understanding what is really happening. Public opinion polls still show broad support for Ukraine (and high economic anxiety). Thus by blaming the economic issues purely on the “evil Russians” they found a convenient scapegoat knowing full well that this will never result in increased support for leftist ideas.