Shit like this should be immediately considered an admission of guilt, and treated as such in court.
They can ban specific kinds of lawsuits?
It actually works the other way around. Most governments around the world practice Sovereign Immunity , which is a legal doctrine which says the government can never be sued. So most governments around the world have banned their people from suing them in most situations. So this really is just non-news cause that’s the way it’s been throughout all human history.
I would have believed this was satire, if the story wasn’t linked.
Injured cyclists can’t sue province under amendment to new Ontario bike lane bill, NDP says
The shit in Bill 212 is bonkers. The biking stuff is less than a page among a dozen or so. It’s a shitshow from start to finish.
This video explains everything in the bill. I think the bike shit is a distraction. It’s supposed to be upsetting, it’s supposed to seem like they don’t know what the fuck they are talking about. It’s constructed that way so we don’t pay attention to everything else.
So if I’m understanding correctly:
Doug Ford is using bike lane removal as a distraction, to bypass criticism of the parts of the bill that bypasses oversight and accountability, in order to build the bypass that bypasses Toronto’s overcrowded bypass?
to bypass criticism of the parts of the bill that bypasses oversight and accountability, in order to build the bypass that bypasses Toronto’s overcrowded bypass
Makes sense that Ford is talking about a quintuple bypass.
@veeesix @GuelphOnTwoWheels utterly shameful isn’t it??
Honestly it’s comical in how transparently malicious it is. This dude fucking hates spandex or something. Maybe he can’t ride a bike
I was expecting the 22 minutes clip.
Could they say “we know this is a bad idea and are absolutely to blame” any louder?
Bro is straight up named after a car 💀
People get what they vote for.
And if they don’t vote, they get the Ford family.
Yeah, choosing not to decide is still a choice.
Tbf every election, the opposition runs a moldy sandwich as their leader and then wonders why they lost. Not to mention I’ve been getting fucked by every premiere since I became an adult, no matter their party. The reason I care enough to go out there and help campaign against Ford this cycle is because of his Trump ass kissing recently. Keep that bullshit across the border. Otherwise it’s another year without a good opposition
How is that photo of Ford not a meme?
I think the constitutionality of such a law would be immediately challenged in court
Ten years ago, yeah. People cannot WAIT to rip that shit up today using the notwithstanding clause.
Not if they ban lawsuits against the province for banning lawsuits first!
Can’t wait for bikes to start taking up whole lanes on those major roads again. Folks will be asking for the bikes lanes back super quick. Extra points if you can target this Ford dipshit directly.
I think folks would ask for bicycles to be completely illegal to own and operate before accepting that cyclists deserve infrastructure too at the rate we are going.
That’s what they’ve done with E-bikes. Bill 197 paved the way for them to all be reclassed as mopeds.
Why would you sue the province though? You would sue the motorist who hit you, just like on any other road?
I think there should be a mechanism to hold those responsible for unsafe road design to account. Otherwise nothing would improve. there will always be distracted and dangerous drivers, and they should also be held accountable, but to build infrastructure in a way that is known to be unnecessarily dangerous should be punishable too
If the system is inherrently dangerous we should fix the system, but that doesn’t make auto makers, insurance companies and lawyers rich…
If you can sue the city for slipping and falling on sidewalks they don’t salt, then surely you can sue the city for knowingly changing the design of a road to make it more dangerous, by arguing they have some level of culpability for harm to you if you get in an accident. The city’s own study showed it reduced the rate of cycling accident (see Evaluation here) AND reduced collisions between cars.
Because they intentionally designed infrastructure that they knew would place people at risk when it was practically possible to reach their goals more effectively without fucking killing people.
Why should they not be held responsible for their shit urban planning?
If bike lanes were removed then you might have an argument.
Than you could sue the municipality for not installing them on other roads. Thats not how liability works.
They are just getting ahead of the courts being overcome by frivolous lawsuits that will go nowhere.
I don’t see the problem. Right to bike seems reasonable to me.
And you are free to cycle on almost any road still are you not? They are just getting rid of dedicated lanes on some roads. I haven’t seen anything preventing cycling itself.
Imagine the provincial government demanding that municipalities remove all stoplights because drivers don’t want to wait, and then saying “you can’t sue us if you crash at an intersection that used to have a stoplight.” The province knowingly forced the removal of a safety measure, and in doing so must accept liability for the consequences of that action.
Legally, the question is whether the removal of separated bike lanes in Toronto meets the criteria set by the Supreme Court of Canada, originally in 2002 and again this summer, for legislation that is either clearly unconstitutional or “was passed in bad faith or an abuse of power.” Unfortunately, our laws allow the provincial government to interfere in municipal affairs however it wants, even street by street. Toronto does not enjoy the same powers of self-governance as most large cities in the developed world so Ford’s decision is neither unconstitutional, nor an abuse of power, at least in the formal legal sense.
If the City of Toronto or a third party sued the province over the removal of bike lanes, in theory the decision would depend on whether Ford acted in ‘bad faith’, which effectively means that provincial courts will make a subjective claim about the intent of the law/lawmakers. This subjective interpretation of the facts is due to the vague wording of the Supreme Court’s decision, which SC Justice Rowe warned against in his 2024 dissent.
However, recent judicial history and the court’s piecemeal decision-making suggests that Ford would succeed in court. Only a few years ago, both the Ontario Court of Appeal and SC upheld the provincial government’s right to interfere in the city’s municipal election and halve the number of city councilors during the election itself. They justified his interference in our local self-governance by noting his constitutional right to do so, ignoring the question of bad faith entirely (much less the legitimacy of our democratic process). There’s simply no reason to believe these same justices would rule differently today.
Those of us who support bike lanes must find other ways to address this interference, not from within the system itself.
He is legislating people without mode, means, or capability to drive are another class of person who are restricted to their rights of freedom of movement set out in the charter.
He is causing intentional risk and potential harm/suffering to people seeking liberty and livelihood.
He is saying the public streets are not yours.
If I can’t access a street as he says now, then my right to seek out and gain/maintain livelihood and to be able to move freely within Canada are unnecessarily denied.
Those of us who support bike lanes must find other ways to address this interference, not from within the system itself.
This goes so far beyond bike lanes, which is a manufactured controversy. This is Ontario; he’s going to gain more votes than he loses by demonizing cyclists, and he knows it. Unless you are proposing violence, you must mean that we have to vote him out. If that’s the case, we can’t take the bait and we have to move the spotlight back onto what Ford doesn’t want his base thinking about.
Let’s get rid of sidewalks, too.
Nothing preventing you from walking down the middle of a road.
Hell, let’s just get rid of lanes, and roads, then anyone can drive anywhere anytime in any direction at any speed!
Freedom!!!
It’s different when you have something and then take it away. You have that safety feature and then it’s removed. I don’t think it could be argued successfully, but it could be tried. This law is probably just trying to save everyone the hassle and cost that goes with it.
