Those citations are misleadingly assembled. I blamed you in the first part of my comment for somehow interpreting yourself as a target of the meme, even though if you are on this community you probably aren’t a Liberal. I was annoyed by that, because that part is VERY clear in the meme. Trusting only the ICC blindly is not even an option on the buttons only the general trusting all institutions. The latter does absolutely not make any sense as criticism of leftys. I could see the former being used as bad faith critisism of leftys, but it would not work well, because leftys would not stop calling a genocide a genocide if the ICC said so (“institutions are not coming to save use, they have been corrupted” would be the lefty response, sort of a “To the friends of the US anything; to the enemies, the law” situation). Again this is not a part of the meme, so I am really not sure how a lefty could interpret the meme as an attack on himself. Either you were just tired or smth. in which case I was a bit too harsh or you are just self centered and can’t stop interpreting memes that aren’t about you to be about you, in which case I do not retract the condescension.

And that is where the scope of the first quote ends, the second part of the comment is a general explaination of the meme. And I do not blame anybody if they didn’t understand what the meme was saying without the explaination, because it comments on a pattern of behaviour of many liberals recently (where I live AND the US), that I and seemingly many others have seen. So it is kind of a (very big ingroup) inside joke. Its a meme, it’s referential, not a political essay, yes it oversimplifies things, yes that makes it easy to misunderstand, which is why I was happy to explain it.

Reread and try again, I did address your point.

But let’s pretend Israel doesn’t exist and we’re talking about make believe liberals.

Those individuals would be smarter than those further to the right of them, and they would care generally about being monsters, at least while we’re playing make believe. Those further to the right have no such issue, they accept that they’re monsters.

Therefore enacting change would require liberals to move left, regardless of what the lost causes conservatives or the far right does.

Or to put it in an even more oversimplified way, liberals and other right wing but not Nazi people get yelled at, Nazis get punched.

So the far right makes all its decisions based on in-group psychology. You cannot make an argument to a right winger that will change their mind. You have to plant seeds of doubt, whole forests of them, and even then the bulldozer that is right wing media will spoil the seeds over and over again.

It’s more useful to try and break the liberals out of the illusion that the right will come around and we can work with them.

The best way to actually refute the right is to ignore them and prosper without them, they feed on aspersions and breath purity tests. They are concerned with power purely for the sake of power, and thus will not be talked into sharing it to improve conditions for anyone but capital T themselves.

Also, what fucking right? I’m on Lemmy so I don’t have to read their drivel. Go find someone cajoling the left somewhere the right actually exists and make your argument there.