Sorry (🍁) we did this without making a post, but after receiving several complaints we defederated from hexbear.net yesterday.
Here’s a few quick examples of poor conduct by hexbear users:
- Spamming bullshit links to the pig poop picture: https://lemmy.ca/u/[email protected]
- General trolling: https://lemmy.ca/comment/2146513
- Posting the pig poop emoji repeatedly and not adding value to discussions: https://lemmy.ca/u/[email protected] https://lemmy.ca/u/[email protected]
- Calling for exections of landlords: https://lemmy.ca/comment/2154580
They warned their users to behave themselves, but that didn’t work: https://hexbear.net/post/280770?scrollToComments=false
Please read and respect the rules of the community instance in which you are posting/commenting. Please try to keep the dirtbag lib-dunking to hexbear itself. Do not follow the Chapo Rules of Posting, instead try to engage utilizing informed rhetoric with sources to dismantle western propaganda. Posting the western atrocity propaganda and pig poop balls is hilarious but will pretty quickly get you banned and if enough of us do it defederated. Realize that you are a representative of the hexbear instance when you post on other instances.
I browsed a bit there. All I saw was trolls planning to troll. They won’t be missed.
Federation is working.
Until they decide to ‘raid’ instances and start their circus again.
Oh, they already are raiding and brigading. Take a look at any post remotely mentioning China, Russia or Ukraine on lemmy.ml or any other instance still federated with them. 90% of the comments will be Hexbear users trolling, harassing people or spreading disinformation, shutting out any real discussion.
I hope the admins on those raided instances are more effective than the admins on hexbear were.
I noticed a few of them posting Russian propaganda the other day. Nothing of value was lost.
They absolutely do. They are freaks of nature.
Essentially communists who support the war crimes committed in Ukriane and the idea of Russian imperialism since it somehow in their twisted little minds equates to a Soviet Union born again.
Wrap your head around that.
I still just don’t understand why they defend Russia or China, I don’t think there’s a single state mechanism you can point to that’s truly functionally communistic.
They get it into their heads that they’re smarter than everyone else because they have views that aren’t popular, and shut out any evidence that their views might just be wrong and actively harmful.
That and “look at the full video of the ‘tank man’ he obviously survived and nothing happened that day!”
He did
The point was that the message was the larger “it’s all just Western propaganda” and apparently nothing else happened.
I’m all for differing viewpoints but they were just trolls.
Yeah we gave them a chance, but I don’t think many of their users were ready for the Lemmy experience so they kind of wandered into All expecting to behave the same as on their “CTH” community, with some of them clearly out to “troll normies/libs”.
Good work! Thank you. Hexbear users are trolls. They’re not in it for discussion in good faith. I’ve blocked a few offenders here and there but honestly I think the culture there is so toxic that we’re better off not being federated with them.
100% agree that they are trolls. They flood any China news posts (that’s not on lemmy.world) with a truckload of pro-China comments, taking advantage of the fact that a sizeable portion of Lemmy users won’t be able to see and downvote them. Whenever someone replies to them with well-thought-out arguments supporting “the western authoritarians,” half of them replies with huge and ugly emojis, while the other half parrots more Chinese propaganda (that actually sound well-written if you disregard the fact that China is an oppressive regime).
I just moved instances because my old favorite has so far refused to defederate. I’m willing to deal with the idiot takes, the trolling, the nonsense sources that are almost always youtube videos, and their impressive ability to both support and denounce authoritarianism in the same breath. It’s important for me to look at propaganda from multiple perspectives so that I can try to think through it and understand where other people are coming from. But 99% of the time they don’t even express real opinions; they just flood posts they don’t like with obnoxious images. Just for that, I’d take Lemmygrad over Hexbear any day of the week
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You can be a communist and be against Marxism-Leninism. They will just call you a liberal and a traitor that is siding with imperialism.
And you can also be a leftist/socialist without supporting authoritarianism. They seem to have forgotten that, and gobble up CCP/Russian propaganda like it’s candy. They give reasonable socialists a bad rep. I consider myself leftist. But because I don’t support authoritarian regimes, that must mean I’m a dirty filthy liberal.
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How can anyone on the left even associate themselves with ML when neither China nor Russia allow LGBTQ+ to exist in their countries? I don’t understand ML at all
I mean, here are just a few sources
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2023/05/china-shuts-down-beijings-lgbt-center-as-part-of-increasing-repression-of-lgbtq-people/ https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/05/europe/russia-lgbtq-propaganda-law-signed-by-putin-intl/index.html
And the bigotry and racism is something else too in both countries, it’s insane. There’s no defense for this
https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/02/18/covid-blackface-tv-chinas-racism-problem-runs-deep https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/25/asia/china-anti-african-attacks-history-hnk-intl/index.html
No one can really call themselves a “leftist” if extreme right-wing ideologies that the neo-nazis over here follow are what they condone
Because economic left and social left are different things?
Hexbear seems to have a lot of LGBTQ+ folk though
There’s also black guys in the Proud Boys, what’s your point?
Mostly due to them having an extremely zero-tolerance stance on transphobia, which I learned is extremely hard to find a place on the internet that does that, even among spaces designed for them. A lot of places will just let casual transphobia slide because “it’s not that bad” or just because they don’t personally see it. (It happens so often I actually made a word for it: not-seeism)
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From what I’ve seen, they may claim to be far left, but act more like far right.
And I get that if you go far enough one way you come out on the other end.
I think that’s just a misleading artifact of trying to describe everything with one dimension.
Fair enough
The far left and far right are often more similar than the names imply. This makes sense when you realise they are both fishing in the same pond of disgruntled people at the fringes of society (though of course not exclusively). For many, it is more about being angry at the world than it is about standing for either ideology.
Fair enough, hadn’t really thought of it that way before. Thanks for the insight.
Man, I’d say I’m pretty left leaning, like Anarcho Syndaclist. That said what they’re doing isn’t doing anything but damage to their cause, worse it’s making them look like the whispy lipped basement trolls they are.
I agree with them, in a way, that the US is a dangerous entity to world stability. Their habit of handwaving away the documented atrocities in NK, DPRC, Russia etc is just plain ridiculous. Just because the US isn’t the bastion of light, truth and fair justice in the world doesn’t mean that those who openly and directly oppose them fucking are!
Plenty of rightists also seem to have forgotten that Russia is their enemy.
I said this in the last thread announcing defederation from them…
Freedom of speech doesn’t mean an obligation to listen.
Good for you! I saw some of their posts pop up in my feed and had to block them too. Just too much edgelord stupidity.
Well their instance is definitely not the ones to cry “free speech”, they’re not right wingers. They just think it’s funny lol.
It is funny
What’s wrong with hating landlords?
Calling for execution of anyone seems a bit extreme to me.
Gotta start somewhere.
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Taxing, regulation, confiscation are all places we could start from that won’t create the problem of having to erase parts of our history so we can live with it.
Probably not by whipping out the guillotine. There’s a few reasonable steps before that.
This is why our rights are constantly being eroded.
I think we’ve taken a number of reasonable steps over the last 200 years.
No calls for violence seems like a simple rule. And not every landlord is greedy mcshitstain with 50 properties, many of them are a single family with their starter home rented out, or a couple renting out their extra room.
It is interesting that you conflate two things, like “no violence” (ignoring the violence that landlords, yes even small ones, do) and then also having the urge to defend and discriminate landlords with good ones implicitly not beeing greedy and single families. However what you wish for in the world is not what I hear when I go to the pub on the corner, there I will hear calls for violence against quite a few groups, trans people, women, minorities, marginalized, unhoused, politicians, leftists, antifascists, activistsm BIPoCs, neurodivergent, unhoused, etc. etc. plenty of times and fast.
I just wish people like you would try to enforce your “no violence” rules in real life as openly as you do it here. Of course I would also urge you to see violence in denying people healthcare or housing, education, food etc, too.
Man sounds like you should move if you hear people threatening violence regularly against all those groups at your local pub
ignoring the violence that landlords, yes even small ones, do
Are we actually talking about actual bodily harm or is this a new made up definition you just pulled out of your ass
I’ll give you a hint, it rhymes with pull sit
I’d argue that landlords of all types are backed by the violence of the state. That a lord or lady doesn’t themselves toss you out and drag you off to jail isn’t really a meaningful distinction to the person being forcibly removed from their home.
The funny part is that in one breathe you utter the fallacy to your own argument. Being forcibly removed from whose home again?
The one you paid the mortgage, down-payment, continuing maintenance, property taxes? Cause if that describes your home- guess what- you are a homeowner and cant be forced out of your home. If that’s not describing the house you are living in… you are a tenant and market conditions dictate what the rent will be. Nobody is going to let to you at a loss.
So whatever reason you have for not being a homeowner means SOMEONE ELSE has to provide a home for you to live in. Which no one is going to just give you for free.
Too bad home and house are different words, though I understand they do sound the same.
So. You just didn’t understand the point that you don’t own it? If you bothered to read I also made the distinction.
Read up on the concepts of ownership, property, belongings, usage etc. you have a French/Roman tradition for millenia which discriminates those rights. That you are uneducated is hardly archomrade’s fault.
You also ignore the monopoly of violence which is the state’s and of course there is usage of violence even if you argue it is moral or can be legal. To think what legal is moral and what is legal is without violence would support genocides, colonialist murder of millions, their expropriation of land, goods, and children and legitimize atrocities of ultra nationalist governments.
The argument in short is: To ask yourself what you need to know to understand archomrade’s points.
Omg. Pseudo-intellect is the worst intellect. The one thing you are right about- there is definitely no point arguing with you. I’d advise making something yourself and then trying to apply your principles when someone tells you what you can and can’t do with it because they believe it’s immoral.
I see, you have never visited an institute of higher learning from the inside. Even reactionaries like Carl Schmitt would agree with my sentence, however you lack the political and sociological education to understand that. In short: Read up on violence and ask your friends who studied what violence means, especially how violence and monopoly on violence into the inner and into the outer works, ask what Weber’s definition was, too.
pulled out of your ass
I would like the mods to ban/defederate with this user, they break civility quite a bit.
In Berlin the stock exchange listed property companies own more than 20% of the flats, big corporations/large private investors own more than 20%, too, then there are smaller still very profit oriented companies, as well as smaller investors, basically 50-60% of all flats (and that amounts to more than 90% of all newly let out flats) are controlled by them, which means that to focus on small landlords is pretty irrelevant. Give me a specific city and specific ownership structure (which works well in some European countries in which plot information, company information and sometimes individual income information are online and open).
“Many” in small landlords means too few to have market price changing effects. Even small landlords do take the worth increases of their plots which are related to things outside their control i.e. state investments, network effects etc. even the small ones take in renters so that the renters finance their mortgages. So they are not really different, though they don’t have the economic power to influence politics as much and abuse the court systems as much.
Communists don’t care for that distinction, they believe all landlords (even non-exploitative ones like you mentioned) are inherrently exploitative and therefore deserving of death. Yes, this applies to you even if you just rent out a room, but don’t worry, money won’t exist and everything will be free!
This is about as garbage take as the ones being discussed.
Well, that’s what they always tell me they believe, sorry your representatives are poor ones I suppose.
Yeah, you sound like you were really receptive to what they were trying to say, I’m sure you didn’t colour it at all…
Oh well of course they give the option of just doing what they say and completely restructuring society to stay alive in most cases, but imo that doesn’t count, I think they’re really just using that as an excuse.
I hope this is doing something for your emotional needs but it’s got nothing to do with anyone else. Have fun, chief.
You clearly don’t know what you are talking about
No u.
All landlords for profit are exploitative. All profit is exploitative. You’re literally on the piracy instance, why would you wanna suck off capitalists? lmao
“Capitalists” aren’t some all powerful boogeyman stealing your essence in the night, especially when you broaden the category from “actually evil corporations” to pensioners or families renting out their starter home, or some guy renting out a room. I don’t feel it’s right to slaughter the nice old woman who rented us the punk house back in the day simply for trying to afford her meds in retirement, no. Sorry, but we’re just not gonna get me to agree that killing innocent people is “good.”
No, they’re all powerful boogeymen in control of our entire society who have us sell our bodies just to live. They do all this in daylight where it can be seen, and are such clever con artists are to make fools think it’s good and normal to do so.
we’re just not gonna get me to agree that killing innocent people is “good.”
I never claimed that, nor do I wish to kill the guilty, but if wishing execution (a penalty under law) of an oppressive class is not “killing innocent people”.
But go off
entire society who have us sell our bodies just to live.
And when this didn’t happen? Because on USSR you could go to jail if you didn’t work.
On every society, if you want to enjoy things made by it and not do your part, you are just a parasite, just like the capitalists you are against. So maybe you are a capitalist wanna be
Who said anything about the USSR being good?
Funny that you go to the old “you’re just jealous and that’s why you hate capitalism so much” pov though. I have no interest in your bad faith arguments, so I’m not gonna engage further than this. Google what arguments people use against that or something if that’ll make you feel better.
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Bruh
This is actually the Canadian instance, you seem a bit lost bud.
I am Canadian lmao
You’re literally on the piracy instance, why would you wanna suck off capitalists?
Eh, maybe I misunderstood what you were saying here
I think you did. Person I was responding to had dbzer0 as their home instance, which was made with the express purpose of giving piracy on lemmy a (somewhat) dedicated home.
Correction, terminally-online twitter communists don’t care for the distinction. People who actually go outside and put in the work aren’t making enemies out of individuals renting out a room, they’re too busy going after giant multi-national corporations buying out all the houses so that nobody else can get them, and then jacking up the rents once there’s no alternatives.
Communism is about systems, not individuals. Anyone saying otherwise is either disinformed or is a radical liberal playing make-believe
They don’t deserve execution, they deserve a Georgist-style Land Value Tax!
I am far more right than socialists and communists and yet, what you say is something that you wouldn’t get marks for in the exams you have to take for our courses.
Nothing’s wrong with hating landlords. I hate landlords. Lots of people hate landlords. There’s a difference between calling for economic reform and calling for mass executions.
I support the move of the admins, but of the points they made, this point was the one that I was like “eh I mean, that’s fine tho”. People are tired and civil unrest is growing. I think it’s fine to try and vent that even if it means punching (or shooting) up. It might be unsavoury, but broadly I don’t have an issue with it in small amounts.
Dude’s posting on c/canada, which is never going to do mass executions. It’s a joke, even if it landed poorly.
some landlords might have to go but there are degrees. Speculating in housing is unethical, but a small land leech isn’t some kulag who needs to be ended.
Also, property managers, really? They are just wage workers.
cough cough georgism cough cough
That you call them small land leeches really speaks for itself
That they are doing unproductive unwork? And shouldn’t continue doing that? Sure.
Renting out a house is unethical, sure. But it doesn’t warrant death. Their social and economic situation is NOTHING like the feudal and near feudal land lords of pre revolutionary China and Russia.
Also, here’s your reminder that Mao’s parents were landlords.
Who the fuck are you to tell me what I can and cannot do with my property that I built and/or bought with my own hands and work? Here’s a reminder you are a moron. Hitler was an artist you brain dead loon. That you feel there’s some mora failingl element to me making my home available to someone not completely for free just shows how far out in space you are. Get bent fucknugget.
To be clear you don’t deserve to exploit others, and BUY is hugely different to BUILT.
But unless you join a rightist paramilitary death squad in defense of “your” property “rights”, I’m not about to be cool with someone killing you.
How am i exploiting others again? By giving them a place to live because they can’t afford to buy a place of their own? Someone is going to own the property- no one is going to build for free. At least with me they get a stable rent and a price a couple hundred below market. How the fuck do you make that balance out to “evil”
It’s exploitation, because housing is a right that shouldn’t be monetized.
But you do have cause to see this as fine. Exactly why hurting you is extremist, authoritarian nonsense in my book.
And don’t worry too much. The whole idea of revolution is that no one should be unhoused. You’ll have a place to go.
Just don’t join a death squad.
They are paraphrasing Adam Smith’s core work there buddy.
And?
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I might have to make a new account here. I made a comment and then edited it to address a Q_Anon adjacent hexbear user that replied to me. It’s really strange. They say they are extreme leftists on their sidebar, but their politics are anti-Western, which puts them essentially with NK, China, and Russia, which are an authoritarian brand of communist or fascist that prosecutes and imprisons trans, LGBTQ+, etc,.
At this point I think they are simply trying to get reactions and shit stir for lulz. Getting told I should die because I corrected a Hexbear’s use of misinformation is surreal. I never thought an extreme Leftist or five would openly and brazenly support a regime that literally made supporting LGBTQ+ stuff a crime only a year or two ago. It’s wild.
They are, who we call tankies. Propaganda spreading scumbags here to wreck communities and cause discord and chaos for Russia and China among other countries trying to wreak havoc. They’re doing it because of the Ukraine war. Block them and do not use instances that federate with them.
I appreciate the advice and will probably do so.
Yea they’re insane. They brigade any post about China or Russia to defend them with some whataboutism and anyone who dares oppose them gets called a bigot because they pretend to be LGBT friendly. Just look at some of the pronouns they choose to use. I understand some people might prefer more unique pronouns like ze/zem and whatnot and that’s fine but they’re just straight up trolling by using stuff like comrade/tank giving our LGBT friends a bad name. Its more obvious they’re trolls because they defend very anti LGBT countries while pretending to belong to the community.
Isn’t a decent chunk of it just being anti-US? They were happier with the US and EU being two (closely related) poles in a multipolar world. They’re much more strongly against the US and EU coupling together.
The EU has become increasingly dependent on the US… That’s dangerous.
I fully agree with EU dependency being extremely dangerous.
Where you hear extreme or radical anything don’t think they are just further along on a line. Most often they break the line and turn 90 degrees into another dimension into delusions from baby eating cabals to lizard people secretly running the government.
Trying to apply logic to their thinking is not a useful exercise as the foundations to their thinking isn’t based on logic. It’s based on emotion.
I never thought an extreme Leftist or five would openly and brazenly support a regime that literally made supporting LGBTQ+ stuff a crime only a year or two ago. It’s wild.
Your view of what Leftist means is extremely biased within the modern American context if you are surprised by that. There are lots of definitions of Leftist and the 2023 American Left-wing definition is not the only one.
You’re right, it’s been a learning experience.
Edit after having looked into it: init is a liar, they are a US soldier and were attacked for that reason, more in the next comments
Which Q Anon adjacent user? Link would be nice, if you are speaking truthful it would great if you could do a link, but name is fine, too.
Most leftists are anti-Western, has to do with the US’s hegemonial role during the Cold War and its support of genocide, murder, torture and violence against socialist sympathizers and coups i.e. in South America. As the Jakarta Method describes well.
Getting told I should die because I corrected a Hexbear’s use of misinformation is surreal.
Do you have a link for that as well?
It’s all in response to this comment.
Then you are a liar, which is common for US soldiers.
You being a soldier is the reason the people flung those things at you. Which is more understandable, judging the actions of US and Canadian troops in Iraq as example.
I just want you to know as a member us military I hope you lose everything and end up drunk and homeless without ever being able to sleep. I’m glad that this is statistically likely.
Is also quite clear that it is about the job you do. It is funny how a literal US military government employee influences the discussion on de-federation without that being a relevant point.
Collateral damage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYTxuW2vmzk (which you are not allowed to watch, since that would breach your regulations) Shows civilians being targeted.
Even more:
Your link did also not show me the user is related to Q in any way. This again makes you a propagandist.
They say they are extreme leftists on their sidebar, but their politics are anti-Western, which puts them essentially with NK, China, and Russia
This is a common US military talking point, which you being a US soldier fits well. Equating anti-Westernism with “horrible regimes” (that is the dogwhistle you use) would mean that most academics and political scientists are supporting North Korea? You are a shill, one literally paid by the US military’s intelligence.
You made the right decision. Hexbear users aren’t here to discuss anything in good faith, they’re here to brigade and harass. That’s all I’ve seen from them ever since they federated.
I checked out the instance and at least half the comments on federation posts were just plotting how to annoy other communities, not splitting their “force” too wide, and taking bets on how long until they’re defederated. Not worth our time.
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I’ve mixed feelings about this. But I support the admins, generally, and will assume they are acting in good faith.
This is sort of like an email provider getting their domain blacklisted. Yes, it hurts some legitimate users, but they are a source of spam and crap and the nuclear option is legitimate.
You are welcome to hop on over to any instance that isn’t defederated or even hexbear itself!
If you have mixed feelings about removing these pieces of trash, you’re either a piece of trash too or a useful idiot.
these pieces of trash
Wonder why this is not seen as trolling and personal attacks, is it cause it is aimed into the right direction @mods?
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Calling for exections of landlords
Link doesn’t work for me, but without any context: kind of hilarious.
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Meet the new landlord, same as the old landlord.
Often worse than the old landlord, eg. Russian history aka And Then It Got Worse.
It’s like a death cult that just reboots itself when all the prophecies fail
Odd. Here’s their side of it: https://hexbear.net/comment/3708345
Thanks. I think it’s Jerboa, I have to copy these links into my browser to get them to work.
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In my opinion, good choice. It had to be done. Won’t be missed.
I saw some reallllly really sketchy takes from some @hexbear accounts on the fediverse, but my instance had already defederated from them without much fanfare, so I didn’t know exactly what their deal was (our admin has a really reasonable head on his shoulders.)
This clears up a lot.
