It appears Trump is going to be the next president of US. I’m not sure such a thread is needed in the first place, but here goes.
Feeling anxious? Desperate? Got the expected result?
What do you think went wrong? What do you think went right? What do you think the future holds?
EDIT: it’s official - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2024/us/results
My kid got sick and was puking. I jumped at the chance to take some PTO to take a day off. It was a welcome distraction. I fell asleep on the couch holding her while she watched kids shows. That’s about all I could bring myself to do. I don’t have much left in me anymore. Just gotta take care of the kids and be ready to leave the country.
I just keep asking myself, “What are you supposed to do when your country falls into fascism?”
But even more so, I’m heartbroken for my distant relatives and everyone else in Ukraine.
Please, Europe–don’t let them fall.
Get out and get started with some grassroots activism
To where, exactly?
Not snark, looking for possible suggestions?
I’m physically disabled. I can probably write the emails people find so obnoxious.
Not American.
I remember when I said Biden is elder abuse and Kamala is a corpo dem and maybe this time round if the dems lost DNC AND Kamala are to bear the full blame and responsibility for the loss. Not the voters. Not independents. The DNC and Every Single Democrat Politician. Directly Responsible For This Loss. DNC should be dissolved.
Only Republicans / GOP on one side and Independents on the other side until a new Party for the people and Of the people emerges however long that it may take or may be in forming.
Holy shit what a dumb thing to say.
I’m imagining you noticing that your fruit got moldy, cutting off the mold, and then keeping the mold and throwing away the rest.
“I have an idea!”
“Is it exactly the opposite of what we should do?”
“…yes.”
Yeah, I think it should be Republican for at least 12 years now.
Not American. Ukraine will fall. Taiwan will fall. Climate change will win. Everyone is fucked
And they were all murdered by American nazi Republicans.
Give credit.
I am trying to decide if Taiwan will fall. Trump has been pretty anti-China in rhetoic, and will look to cement his legacy on this term.
At the same time I can see him giving Taiwan away in an economic deal with China, who are on the ropes economically right now.
I think the stock market will probably crash at some point during the Trump admin.
I think the tariffs will cause a massive rise in prices.
I think the mass deportation scheme will end in death camps.
I think those death camps will grow to include lgbtq+ people.
I just keep stopping and crying.
Saddens me that the stock market is the first thing on your list.
We’re here for you though for the rest of it.
It’s only at the top because that’s what every person I know that voted for him cited as the reason. His economics.
I’m gay. I know I’ll end up in a camp.
We’re here for you pm me if you’re ever in trouble as a result of this election.
They didn’t vote because of the stock market. The stock market has been doing great. They voted because things are expensive and they are poor.
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I’m broken. I’m so tired of it and now I fear it’s really all over. It’s not 4 years, it’s a revelation. We really are full of irredeemable hateful idiots. I’m not ok. I fear for our queer brothers and sisters. I fear for our families and neighbors. For our future livelihoods.
I’m afraid we’re not all gonna make it out of this.
I don’t know if this is the tipping point. But it feels like a mountain has fallen, in my heart. I want to crawl away. When I was just getting myself together. These next four years will be hell on earth for me. I’m going back on my meds
What went wrong: the dnc. Running first biden, then harris. The two representative of a historically disliked administration. Not strictly their (harris/bidens) fault minus a few critical bits.
- you cant run a left wing campaign by swinging to the right
- you cant run a left wing campaign with no policies for the working class. No taxes on tips? Wtf is that? We already dont pay taxes on tips. 50k to start your own business? how many Americans do that? Fucking seriously? How about: minimum pto, minimum sick leave? Health care reform. How about taking fucking companies and china to task? She wouldnt even commit to keeping khan.
- you can’t run a campaign with a corporate carpet bagger and expect results.
- you cant run a campaign on abortion alone. Im sorry ladies, I fully support you in this but many others including women dont. when many states already protect you its not a deciding factor for harris. Congressional positions yes. But not presidential.
Harris expected people to fall in line with no incentives, because… Trump. And went out of her way to disenfranchise a minority group. Shrug hopefully the counting continues and Harris’ manages to surprise us.
No, it’s directly Biden’s fault to a very real degree. Fuck Biden.
You are of course absolutely correct. My apologies.
Damn worked for the Aladin trailer vs movie. /s
Looking at the votes less people voted blue this year. Biden had 20mil more votes. Where dafuq these people go?
Mmm indeed. Would it be because harris offered them literally nothing in policies? And spent her campaign attacking students? Not directly mind you. Lets hope elections still matter in 4 years. Sigh i need to decide how im going to spend my time dealing with this.
Excuse me I’m speaking
Good lord lady. Next time listen. Well im looking forward to the punching left thats going to be coming. Or will we blame black men? Latino men? Oh well anyone but the candidate i guess.
Yup rather not show up and let dude with volatile polices come in and do his thing. That’s the crazy part is these people didn’t even vote third party in protest. They just didn’t care. So I guess climate change, trans and abortion right don’t matter to 20 million dem voters.
Harris’ campaign didnt offer them anything worth voting for. And many states already have portections on the books for abortion and those that dont have ballot measures that are likely going to pass. Oops!
Democrats wouldn’t even hear a simple call to have Harris stop mass murdering and you thought people would show up for her because of issues that dont impact them? A call that would have likely handed them at least Wisconsin.
Sure states have it but this should be protected and it was. Now having a miscarriage may have murder charges.
What’s he gonna take away next? Well that’s a non issue for 20 million people apparently. I know Harris was not going to take anything away.
Florida didn’t pass. Missouri did. I don’t know others. So don’t be pregnant in Florida I guess.
Yes, and did Florida have any chance of going blue? No? Oh maybe harris shouldn’t have placed her bets on abortion putting her on top.
Did Michigan go blue? No? Oh maybe we shouldn’t have been allowing harris to shit on the arab community.
Did Pennsylvania go blue? No? Oh maybe harris should have had a concrete policy positions like breaking up monopolies and passing laws on corporate greed.
If you look at Harris platform everything is pro corporate policy and none of it is for working Americans then add in bleeding arab support etc. oi. It adds up to a death from 1000 cuts.
100% agree with top 3 points and even the corpo crap the dems are. And I will always say f the dems but NEVER before the GOP.
The amount of damage from denying climate change is not even comparable to any bad policy that could be mention about Harris. There is literally no more snow on Mt.Fuji ! Better to have someone that may fix something here and there than someone that will actively destroy it.
It turns out the talking point of “voting 3rd party is a vote for Trump” that has been repeated for months does have the desired effect of disenfranchisement, the assumption that they would then vote Democrat is something I never understood.
Turns out 15 million people didn’t even vote third party. Just stayed home.
All that back and forth was just to keep the GOP out of power and not have a so called dictator day 1. Not sure how that specifically disenfranchised potential dem voters. Cause they weren’t going to vote dem anyways. I could list other stuff that certainly could have.
And to add, they could have voted and just not picked a president.
Instead they didn’t vote at all and we got a Republican Senate.
The heartbreak is such that today I feel like I want to give up on the entire concept of caring for others as a futile pursuit. Humanity’s darkest impulses are going to be off-leash here, and elsewhere, for at least four years, the chances of avoiding rapid catastrophic climate change have gone from maybe 20% to 0%, and it feels like nothing matters.
Trying to focus on caring just for myself and my family, but the flame has seemingly gone out.
I feel like we might need to radicalize, in a sense, if you know what I mean.
but of course it won’t happen. because we’re not like them, and we can’t do that
It’s possible to be a loud activist without radicalising.
what will it accomplish?
With that attitude? Nothing
oh, no, I don’t think so. it will result in the loud activists being shot down conveniently
I feel bad for the palestinians, they don’t have much hope left.
Way to go tankies! You sure showed those damn Palestinians that Israel owns Gaza. Great work!
Stfu, the dems did this by pandering to the right. Excellent way to drive voter apathy.
Stfu, tankies did this 110%.
Also, fuck you for helping GENOCIDE Palestinians.
If “tankies” were such an important factor maybe the campaign should’ve done literally anything to get their vote
It’s fine, trump got your vote homeskillet. No need to be mad at me about it.
I actually voted for the other genocider on the ballot as well as my state did. I’m just trying to get you to place blame where it belongs instead on people voting their conscious.
As a non American, the only hope for the world is to let you guys sink and for the US to implode. EU should have realized that 8 years ago and plan accordingly to reduce dependencies but did not.
I can’t even fathom the fascism wave we’re going to get everywhere…
Why did we have to choose the dystopian future ?
The problem is that we’re going to take the rest of the world with us.
Money money money! 🙏.
One hundred percent. No sarcasm.
Gotta keep them lines going up
I feel like the not-right will just take it. Just accept things. Go into the concentration camp. Let the government be dismantled. Let laws be ignored.
The right wing is full of bad ideas and hate but they organize and sometimes riot.
Everyone else seems too busy infighting and being smug.
Do you want to start the direct action to disrupt their agenda or should I? If we do that, our lives are over. If we don’t do it, our lives may be over at a later date or it may only make it unpleasant.
There lies the problem. You have to have enough people willing to give it all and this country does not allow for that because at every moment we are desperately trying to survive. Hard to fight back from that position.
I was thinking about this, and how it’s hard to organize without being infiltrated by cops or bootlickers.
And yeah as much as I want to thanos snap away the right wing, I don’t want to die or go to jail.
But somehow the right wing got a whole riot going for their Jan 6 insurrection. They’re not any richer. Just more hateful and stupid.
Those investigating those sorts of actions lean rightwing. Those encouraging the right wing are very rich and have a lot of reach with their message. And yes, hate is very effective and easy to build a group. Doesn’t last though. But who cares about that? Once they’re in power they can lock it in and oppress the people who just voted for them to ensure they can never change it. Weeeee
I think it’s pretty clear that the people who wanted Trump never really changed or decreased much, and that now they’re calling the shots.
I don’t think there’s any value in going much deeper than that. They seem to have done it fair and square. There just weren’t as many people who supported Harris.
Not that many of their reasons are genuine, of course. The economy? Please. He’s awful for that, he swore he’d make things worse. We know what that looks like.
But they’re the majority this time. It’s almost a Reagan level victory. It’s exactly what he always wanted. And part of our system is this: if you get the votes then you’re allowed to dismantle things. Because you convinced enough of us to go along with it.
I’m not sure what the next steps are, really. It won’t be pretty. But blame doesn’t seem appropriate, and neither does any effort to “do the work” and learn to try harder next time. The system will not be the same and the tactics we’re familiar with are no longer relevant. Change is here and it’s the bad kind.
So what we need to figure out is how to adapt to whatever that change ushers in. We’ll have to acquire new ideals that fit within the new constraints and we’ll need to do what we can in the service of those, and we’ll have to accept the diminished nature of some of our ambitions.
What are our new values? What does it mean to throw away so much that we’ve made? Who are we going to become? Who will we be able to keep at our side? Who will we lose? Who will we betray?
We’ll find out.
I didn’t have any hope for carbon neutrality in the first place. My hope was for more of maybe a “falling with style” path to self-destruction for humanity, and not a head-first dive into the concrete.
That said, I’m 36, male, white and blue collar, so is my family. I have no concerns over them, but I keep and hold my concern for the rest of America.
Politically, I consider America a lost cause. I am currently looking towards avenues to become less politically involved, if only because now with an entirely conservative government, I don’t see any real reason to care.
I’ll probably spend the next four years reading 40k lore.
When reading 40k is the less grimdark option
At least the Emperor has a plan to become a new Chaos God, this dip shit thinks his hamburger eating ass isn’t dead in a decade regardless.
I’m going to use my white, middle class straight-passing privilege to get the fuck out of here is what I’m going to do.
What went wrong?
Humanity evolving consciousness.
Use that natural camouflage to your advantage. Take notes. Remember who betrayed their community, and ensure they are shunned when the time comes for us all to have to look to each other for help.
