I’ve never agreed with the professor more than I do now. At least he actually has the option!
Every day I look back at one day I had in 2016 when I felt like killing myself and wonder why I didn’t just fucking do it.
I’m sure in ten years, I’ll look back on this and… wish I had done it now.
Don’t do it. We’re going to need to help each other through what’s coming, and I’ll absolutely fight for your rights, whoever you are.
I wish I had been aborted. This place is a shithole and has since before I arrived.
Yeah, I’m giving up after this.
The Democratic party just can’t deal with the stupidity and racism that is the American population.
I mean for fucks sake, Black and Latino voters increased their votes for Trump this time around.
Just time to hang up the hat and let America burn.
Also:
Biden got 81,282,916 votes
Harris got 66,153,556 votes
Americans didn’t even bother to show up and now we have a Republicans in control of all three branches again. Yeah, there’s no saving this democracy.
In addition to what you said, I wonder how Biden and then Harris deciddd to become the nominee. What the methodology was. The dems could have hired a psychologist who could have guided them on the kind of candidate that would have won the American people over. They could have hired a pr team to help manage their campaign. The dems essentially took a bigger risk than it did in 2016 and it backfired on them again… except this time less people voted.
Maybe a lot of Democrats also dislike women in power and black people. Maybe the American people, regardless of the party they say they support, are still very conservative. This is not an unpopular opinion outside the USA.
Yes. That is the ultimate conclusion for me as well. The American people voted for racism and sexism, because they are racist and sexist. America can’t do better because this is the best we have. Trump represents conservatives. It’s really confusing because his actions aren’t conservative… but here we are.
Don’t forget they are going to intentionally force us back to coal coal and oil, and stifle all transitions to cleaner energy. So really how bad could it be
Oh yeah, the world is pretty fucked here. We’re at a tipping point for climate disaster.
Honestly, maybe this is what the cure is for humanity.
The Oxygen Catastrophe wasn’t a one-time poisoning. It was a series of oxygenation waves, killing themselves off only to rebuild and kill themselves off again. We were never cured of the oxygen polluters.
I’m sorry that part of my immigrant family is this stupid. Thankfully, they can’t vote fwiw. 🤷♂️
Don’t feel bad man, your family isn’t you and you can’t control when your family does something stupid. Heck my immigrant family that can vote was going on about not voting this year because of both sides bullshit and I had to talk them that yeah, you need to vote regardless. Not that it mattered because native born Americans are such a lost cause at this point.
My parents didn’t vote either. They’re also upset that they don’t have many choices because they’re independents. To them it doesn’t matter who the president is, to them it is inconsequential.
Yeah it’s never the fault of the party, it’s all those stupid people exercizing their right to choose. Maybe if dems didn’t put all their worth in being “the least worst option” and actually tried to be a good party this wouldn’t have happened.
End of the day, Americans voted for a proven rapist, a convicted felon, and a white supremacist to the oval office over someone who isn’t so yeah, stupid people exercising their right to vote are to blame. Enjoy your tariffs.
“My” tariffs? You think i am happy for this? You are part of those stupid americans maybe, incapable of understanding that not everyone that does not think like you is your enemy
I don’t think you’re the enemy, I simply think you’re not very bright.
Why don’t you guys start a revolution against first-past-the-post? Fascism has far less power that way.
Unfortunately only the calm and sane people are upset, and it’s harder to whip us into a full revolution.
The elites have been studying for decades. They now know exactly how far they can push us before we fight back. That’s why inequality is worse now than before the French revolution, but nothing has changed. They’ve learned how to prevent us from revolting.
Surely all of the revolutionaries online dissuading people from voting Harris will kick into gear and get everyone motivated to change the constitution, fix the electoral system, eliminate capitalism, and obtain gay space communism for all.
We had ranked-choice-voting at the State level on the ballot here in Oregon and voters rejected it by about 60%.
Same in my state. I voted against the amendment that banned it but I actually didn’t fully realize it was about ranked choice voting until I checked results. I hate that shit. It makes me so angry.
Sounds about white.
I don’t know why you are getting down voted. It’s who beat them. White guys came out and voted it out.
I think both parties that have power right now are opposed to RCV because it makes their job harder - they would have to be For something rather than just Against they opponent
My state just banned ranked choice lol
How old is that fuck again? Ah 78. So 82 when he’s done fucking us all over.
Like I said before. I gotta get my old engine oil and start feeding it to the bunnies and the eagles that eat the bunnies. Do whales eat eagles? If not, I gotta start drinking beer so I can strangle more turtles and then feed the turtles to the whales so they all choke each other.
Bold to assume he’ll stop there if he’s still breathing
The other Trumps in the Trump family will continue his legacy of fucking everyone they know.
Well, time to pack up my bags. Netherlands here I come.
We elected a party that’s barely any better on social policy and just as bad on foreign policy with a talking head that’s Dutch Trump
My family is trying to sort out which European country to move too and it seems like so many of them are electing some sort of Trump.
For me Europe is still a better option than the US for two primary reasons.
First, most countries are so far ahead of America in terms of social progress even if a PM/president/whatever leader takes a country back 30 years it’ll still be way ahead of the US.
Second, most European countries have a much better voting system that will make it easier to oust the Trumpian leader and fix the stuff they messed up in the future.
Some of us need to move to the boondocks to infiltrate. Goddammit I don’t want to live in the boondocks though. >:C
That’s not going to work. Biden got 5.2 million votes in NY in 2020. Harris just got 4.1 million. Trump did about the same both times. There was a huge enthusiasm gap on the left. Moving people around won’t work. If people aren’t going to come out to vote in NY, they aren’t going to do it in bumfuck Indiana.
I moved from a blue state to Michigan 2 years ago. Thought it might help…
I lived there, it was ok (I still visit) but there are no jobs.
Whatever you do, don’t blame voters though. The only people who could possibly be at fault here are Democrats. Because voters are perfect little angels. Who can blame them for their strong desire for fascism? That’s just human nature after all
I get it, everyone is upset that Trump won (including myself). But the voters are not solely to blame here.
Democrats put forward a candidate who lost to fascism. What does that say about your policies, your messaging, how the voters feel about you when you tell them “You have to vote for me because I’m not the other guy!”
Y’all need to accept that 1. The Democrats can grasp defeat from the jaws of victory like no one else, and 2. The American people want change, they want progress, they have had enough of the status quo system that isn’t working for them anymore.
They spent the last four years living under Biden, and despite all the screeching about how well the economy was doing, Americans don’t feel it. And instead of addressing that, or doing anything about it, Biden and the Democrat establishment would just point the finger at Republicans and say, “No, no, they’re worse, trust us, they’re worse, they’re worse.”
They’ve spent a year telling Americans, despite everything they’re seeing and hearing from Palestine, that Israel needs this unconditional support, while the world votes to hold Israel accountable and the US vetos it, under a Democrat administration. Multiple times, while refusing to let any Palestinians on stage at the DNC to speak, but parading Republican after Republican because they finished licking Trump’s ass and decided to give Kamala’s a go. Arab and Muslim Americans organized a protest vote, over 100,000 strong in Michigan alone (which she’s projected to lose, btw), and the Democrats sent Bill Clinton to lecture them on how Israel is only doing what’s necessary to defend themselves.
So we’ve had four years of milquetoast progress at best from a candidate the Democrat’s constituency already didn’t like. He dropped out but didn’t leave enough time for a new primary, so the Democrat Party pushed Kamala on us, and then had her run on a centrist, return-to-the-status-quo platform, while refusing to take any meaningful stand on Palestine, with their biggest policy being, “Hey, you have to vote for us because we’re not fascist.”
If the American people, people in general, don’t feel like they’re being represented, why would the feel like voting? This is a failure on the Democrats, 100%, for running platform policies and candidates that don’t drive people to the polls. Say what you want about Trump, and there’s plenty to say about the absolute piece of shit of a human being he is.
But he makes his voters feel listened to and heard, and Democrats may consider it regression, but Republicans get their policies done, and they show progress to their constituents. Democrats get nothing done, usually due to Republican fuckery, but the Republicans don’t face similar fuckery, so the average voter doesn’t care, they just see one wide getting their agenda accomplished and the other not.
So now I pose this question to you, and I’m genuinely asking, this isn’t an “I gotcha, I am so smart!”
If a person doesn’t feel represented by their government regardless of who’s in power, and your life doesn’t drastically improve under either candidate, well… What difference does it make which form of government is fucking you over?
What difference does it make which form of government is fucking you over?
Democrats wanted to incrementally improve things. Republicans wanted to round us up into camps.
Voters had an opportunity to prevent a christo-fascist dictatorship and they didn’t take it. Moving things to the left in this country has always involved voting. Losing our democracy doesn’t improve the Democratic Party. If there is another election, which we can’t count on, Democrats are going to learn that they need to move further to the right to pick up votes. They’ve done it before, and they will do it again. They will look at the conservatives who voted and tailor a party platform for them.
Democrats could not care less about appealing to nonvoters or third party voters. They only care about winning, which is probably part of why they suck at it.
Voting should be a mechanical choice during elections. If people want better candidates, organize, and do the work to get grassroots movements off the ground between elections.
Instead of picking a strategy based on a subjective morality people should consider analyzing strategies based on their utility.
If a strategy advances a goal it’s useful. If it doesn’t, it’s not. Voting for the Democrats demonstrates a wider voting base for them to move to the left. Moving Democrats to the left is the goal so this strategy is useful. Protest voting takes votes away from the Democrats so they look for voters on the right. This accomplishes the opposite of the goal so this strategy is not useful.
Democrats wanted to incrementally improve things.
They’ve had four years to, and to the average American, they didn’t. They improved things, but not enough for the average American to notice, or care.
In comparison, regardless of how he did it, Trump got things done that his base wanted.
Democrats are going to learn that they need to move further to the right to pick up votes. They’ve done it before, and they will do it again. They will look at the conservatives who voted and tailor a party platform for them.
They did that this time and lost. They did it in 2016 and lost. The Democrats want a return to the status quo, and nothing else. Americans want change, the status quo is not working for them, but the Democrat party will not try to rally the vote. They scream about Republicans and voter suppression, but where’s the law mandating voting? Or making it a federal holiday? Or requiring paid time off to vote for essential employees?
You’re talking about strategy, well, progressives want to align with the Democrats, right? The FPTP system only allows for two viable parties, right, because winner takes all, and third parties can’t compete? Therefore, progressive third party candidates, under the current system, can’t gain any political power because the system is broken, right?
Ok, so let’s work within the system we have. Republicans are fascist, not very progressive, guess that leaves the Democrats. And they seem open to it! But they keep telling us no, now’s not the right time for XYZ, we don’t have the support, we have to stop/prevent XYZ. We keep voicing concerns and want our issues addressed, and we keep being ignored, told we have to get back to normal before we can move forward, condescended to, or outright dismissed.
You keep saying the Democrats will just keep moving right, and that’s exactly the point I’m making, and the reason people didn’t go out in droves for Harris. You keep saying the Democrats will just try to keep stealing Republican voters, well, then they deserve to lose. 37% of eligible voters vote, and instead of trying to garner that other 63% of the voters to come out, they’ll cut off their nose to spite their face and refuse to adopt progressive, populist policies?
You’re basically telling me the Democrat’s strategy is, “Do what we say or we’ll become more like the fascists.” Cool, so delayed fascism versus fascism… Hence “what difference does it make if our wants don’t matter.”
No, voting is part of how we move the Overton window to the left. If we don’t vote, it moves to the right.
The parties are not the same. Democrats passed the infrastructure bill, cancelled student load debt, and appointed judges to the courts that uphold our rights. They did those things in response to pressure from grassroots movements that showed the viability of progressive causes. Republicans separated immigrant families, took reproductive freedom away from Americans, and led an insurrection against our country. People who aren’t watching Fox News or otherwise trapped in right-wing information silo can tell them apart.
There’s no way to argue you out of a con. You’ve been duped and we need people like you to realize it. Or things will not get better. The people who sold you the both sides narrative are gone. They spread their misinformation, tanked American democracy, and now you are still parroting their talking points.
I am begging you. You have been fooled. Please believe me. Again, it is not possible for me to argue you out of this. You have to trust someone. If you can’t trust me or any of the other people on lemmy saying the same thing, find someone irl you can trust. That’s the only way you can get better.
You can say this but when a republican policy is “drill for more oil” and a democratic policy is “focus on clean energy,” one is easier, cheapens prices, and has readily apparent effects. Many democrat policies are long term goals that people won’t notice, and might even hurt them in the short term, but they need to be done. Medicare will increase taxes, supporting Ukraine and not taking Russian oil increases prices, and most people agree these policies are good things. Yet what is the biggest complaint under Biden? Skyrocketing inflation, because the average voter doesn’t care about policy they just care how it affects their lives.
You’re asking for an impossible solution if you want the party of “this is a hard decision but will benefit us all in the future” to have the same draw as “here’s cheaper prices NOW, we’ll ignore the future.” Not to mention as you already said republicans will block any and all attempts at real change. It’s completely unfair that even if 90% of a democrat candidate’s platform is beneficial, that’s not good enough since they don’t have the short-term effects to wow people with. If democratic policies reduced prices and republican policies increased them (say, swap the stances on oil and climate), we could have a literal potato as the candidate and people would run to vote for it.
I’ve written a lot of comments this morning, and I don’t remember which one’s I’ve said what in, so I apologize if I’m repeating something.
I understand what you’re saying, it’s not fair that the Democrats have an unrealistic standard compared to the Republicans. But the Democrats have to figure that out and get over it, and they’re just not.
I’m seeing a lot of polls now showing the biggest factor for Americans voting was the economy. The economy has, verifiably, improved under Biden, and I will not argue against that.
But polls also consistently show that, despite the improved economy, Americans don’t feel it. And that’s the problem: the Dems were presented this information (Americans don’t feel better under this economy), and just kept doubling down, spouting metrics that mean nothing to the average American.
I think in response to the economy polling, Harris trotted out the $15/hr minimum wage increase. In our political hellscape, that’s a progressive policy. But it’s 10 years too late… Minimum wage should be around $26/hr if it was (and should be) tied to inflation, the magic buzzword everyone has on their mind. But they’re not campaigning on $26/hr, they’re barely campaigning on $15/hr.
Someone in another thread pointed out bodily autonomy and how much worse it would get under Trump. Fair enough, but what has Biden shown the American people he’s done about bodily autonomy in the last 4 years? Why wasn’t it enshrined into law at any point during the decades since the initial Roe ruling? Why should voters believe Democrats are actually going to do it this time and not continue using abortion as a campaign tool?
You and I both know the answers to all of the questions above are not black and white, their answers range from the complexity of different administrations to the limited power within the executive branch to Democrats lacking a political majority outside of a few months every couple decades, etc. I get that, but even I’m tired of it being an excuse, and the average American doesn’t even consider the excuse. They just don’t care: they see their money worth less, their paycheck barely increasing to match inflation most years, and laws not being passed.
On the flip side, Trump got a lot done in his first four years, regardless of whatever legal obstacles got in his way. This flies in the face of our constitution and the very rule of law and is a direct threat to our democracy…
… But he got things done. No one can deny that, Trump got things done, and he did things his base wanted him to. As much as Trump hates his base, he at least panders to them, and if he doesn’t support them, he shows faux support, which is good enough. He represents the worst of humanity, is a serial rapist, convicted felon, racist, misogynist, sexist, xenophobic, transphobic, homophobic orange shit stain on the annals of history…
But he got things done, and in the eyes if the average American, Biden didn’t, and Harris promised 4 more years of the same. So voters stayed home, and it is 100% the Democrats fault.
You’ve said a lot here that I agree with, but ultimately the responsibility is on the voters to be competent, critical thinkers that at least attempt to be informed. And they (we) are not. But unfortunately this just appears to be an entropy point built into our current system. And it facilitates one party over the other. Republicans are an ideologically unified authoritarian block that denies critical and strategic thinking in its platform and is structured only to identify problems but not sustainable solutions. They’ve always been this. The current Democratic party, otoh, is a big tent party focused on long term solution plans to nuanced problems and has many stakeholders that are ideologically opposed such that actual compromise may be fundamentally impossible. I honestly don’t know if this CAN be overcome. It’s a tough spot to be in. What i do know is that the next 4 years, at a minimum, are going to be mad dash of regulatory capture and federal collapse the likes we haven’t seen since the 20s.
under a Democrat administration.
Dude, just admit that you’re a Trump voter. The election is over and it doesn’t matter anymore anyway.
I voted Harris, and my state went to Harris. Voted Democrat down ballot.
Guess that makes me a Trump voter. 🤷♀️
Your usage of subtle Republican grammar like “Democrat” where “Democratic” would obviously be more correct gives you away.
Y’know what… I started writing a whole thing out, and you’re not worth it.
Fucking “Democrat” versus “Democratic,” for fuck’s sake, no wonder we lost.
Yeah, “we” lost. 🙄
You’re so edgy, oh my gawdddddddddddddd
Well, you will find out what difference it makes.
Yep, we will.
Nail on the head.
Since the idea up top is “voters aren’t to blame” I’m out
Proving my point as to why Democrats can’t seem to win, keep winning people over to the party there, champ.
Yes you’re so smart. We should have done anything you say and also fuck Democrats because voters aren’t responsible for anything ever
Voters will get what they voted for, whether they intended it or not. It’s the bedrock fundamental of political reality. A party can meet them where they are, convince them to come over to the leadership position, or lose. Those are the options
Right, we should all robotically accept that people are garbage
They’re not all garbage. But they are selfish and short-sighted. Our garbage culture is the problem. Our worship of money and disdain for the poor.
nuance won’t hurt you I promise
Lol yeah that’s what it is. Electing trump and then blaming Democrats is NuAnCe
The Democrats ran on an uninspiring platform, and then wondered why the voting base was uninspired.
And I didn’t realize “listen to your constituents” was the same as “do anything I say and also fuck you.”
Yes if only we had inspired America the right way we would’ve stopped being fascist because gEnOcIdE
Throws your tantrum all you want, the Dems didn’t get the votes they needed, and it’s their lackluster campaigning that lost them the election.
The voters don’t owe candidates shit, especially when they’re being promised four more years of Biden, but a pinch more progressive.
Amazingly well said. This is on party Democrats. Don’t let people convince you otherwise.
It wasn’t the voters that once again generalized half the population negatively. It’s now 3/3 on comments doing that ending with a loss.
Is this English? The words are familiar but I literally cannot extract meaning from this.
Whether you have binders full of women, baskets of deplorables, or garbage, it ends badly for you.
pfft ok
Remember to vote in all local elections. The more sensible people you get into office the more change you create. Look up all the candidates, even for things like education, water treatment, family court judges.
These are all offices that we vote (or not) into office.
When I went to look at who to vote for in the shitty midwest state I am from, (I am an expat. ) sometimes the choice wasn’t clear. Some had no party affiliation, but those who seek positions of power often move on to other positions of power. Starting at the bottom we must vote in good people.
So I looked up their campaign websites or facebook pages, and made my choice from there. Do I want the girl with little background in the subject who has republican affiliations supporting her campaign for the office?
Or maybe the guy who runs free name change clinics for people who need it and works at the local food bank.
The choice was clear to me.
I am sorry fellow Americans. This was an outcome I had greatly feared.
Don’t give up.
I’ve voted in every election in the last 24 years despite giving up hope after 2000.
It’s nice to see a sane comment that isn’t completely gloom and doom. Thank you for this small comfort friend.
Don’t give up, just don’t be nice to republicans. And make sure to harass the next administration for our rights. Fucking racist rapist criminals.
What rights do you really have when there is a Supreme Court that will allow them to be trampled?
I am sure that if Trump has his way, you will no longer have rights to fight for. It comes to a point where you can no longer just fight the symptoms, you need to fight the disease. Americans just voted for the disease.
Now we get to see it play out. All the folks saying he was kidding about ______. Let’s see. Now we’ll see…
This guy’s literally going to bankrupt the country on purpose because it won’t hurt the billionaires
*it will give the billionaires the chance to buy everything up cheap
Good thing you have your guns, then right?
If I had a gun right now, I wouldn’t trust myself.
Hope you are ok, stay safe and seek help if necessary.
Guns are not the answer. Responsible people know when and how to use a gun. But the gun freaks in the USA are the irresponsible idiots that think guns work like in the movies. We have a ton of untreated mental illness in our country.
Oh, that’s literally why I wouldn’t trust myself and can’t legally buy a gun. I have depression, anxiety, and ADHD. I’m too afraid I’d have a bad day, like today, and blow my brains out and still live anyways.
And I’m medicated. I can’t imagine how people without their meds would feel.
I’ve taken my meds but I’m out of cannabis and straight up not having a good time right now
I stopped drinking 5 years ago. I quit smoking weed 4 months ago.
It’s… It’s really hard to not just go out and buy some weed to fill that void in my soul right now.
I think tomorrow, I’m gonna double my Adderall dose.
And when it comes down to action, the liberals are about as effective in pushing change as the DNC.
Some people aren’t American. Some people (like me) just live in countries that follow USAs footsteps when it comes to politics.
Well, good news I guess, with the way the climate is gonna go now you won’t be living long at all.
If pollution under Trump is as bad as he is promising the idea of hitting 5 degrees C by 2075 doesn’t seem that far fetched.
It’s 2024 so that’s 51 years from now. I’m 31. If I’m not dead by then I would be 82. So I could, in theory, live to see it.
Good news! The de-regulation and de-funding of FDA and USDA will probably kill you faster and more directly than climate change.
Hooray!..??
As a trans woman and a Jew there’s a ton of direct ways that I could be killed, but it’s really not worth worrying about them. =)
“Don’t worry about the future; or worry, but know that worrying is as effective as trying to solve an algebra equation by chewing bubblegum.” ~Baz Lurhmann
But it might be worth preparing.
The fascists did post their entire game plan online.
To help with searching through 900 pages:
Better download and save this before they take it down and pretend they never wrote it.
Dictators do love revising history to entrench their rule.
As a fellow trans woman, I’d like to give you a giant hug. I made another post entirely about our situation. I hope you stay safe and happy.
Also…. No one is going to try and burn down the Capitol this time. So we’ve got that.
Though once Trump comes up with some new logo that may or not be a swastika and it becomes draped with that logo that may not be a good thing. Though I see him going more the Mussolini route and putting his face on shit
He already put’s his name on everything. 🙄
It’s happening: Idiocracy (2006) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/
I might be at fault. I unironically wear Crocs because they are cheap, durable, and easy to clean.
I could cry. I’m so disappointed in all of us.
I am crying.
I don’t have the energy to be angry anymore. I’m just sad.
Starting to seriosuly consider making a solar punk party. I wanna be the radical progressives GOP thinks dems are but I dk where to start.
Find and join a mutual aid organization. Food not bombs is a good entry point for research if not participation.
Someone mentioned that and I thought it was slogan or something. Thanks for clarifying!
Absolutely! There’s lots centered around the unhoused. There are also other orgs like Mutual Aid Disaster Relief (MADR) and some focused on immigration along the southern border.
But there’s all kinds, they’re all over, just not always easy to find.
Our deepest condolences from across the pond.
Looking around in my European neighborhood and even my own country, it seems we have the same fucking problem here
Will be nice to see, when Europe freezes because of climate change and we need to move to the then green Sahara, how Africans will handle us immigrants.
Probably they’ll do as nicely, as we do, and will let us drown on our way there, or put us into camps, to protect their own country.Seems cooperation and mutual help is the devil…
It’s appreciated.
At least he can’t run in 2028 now…
LOL
God you dumbass liberals just don’t get it
Yeah, but neither will anyone else.
Remember, he literally said you won’t need to vote after he gets in.
Dictator day one…
So far, bet him and his supreme Court or sure going to do something about that
True. He could end up appointing six total SCOTUS judges…
I didn’t believe that for a minute
😰
