Well, this aged quickly.
I’d make a Biden old joke here but my heart just isn’t in it.
Hubris. Democrats lose because characters like RBG and President Biden simply could not fathom that stepping aside was ALWAYS what they should have done.
These miserable fucking dinosaurs have gambled away the good intentions, hopes, and stability of the entire nation because their internal mantra was that they are our political saviors, while everyone under 50 was full-throated screaming that they needed to step aside.
Fuck all you geriatric, foot on the gas, oblivious, incompetent fucks. If (big if) we ever regain our Democracy, the first thing on the agenda should be AGE CAPS for all public offices. Elderly fucking hubris has doomed us to more misery.
Democrats lose because characters like RBG and President Biden simply could not fathom that stepping aside was ALWAYS what they should have done.
Lol, dude the guy that won the election is the oldest person to ever run for president in the history of the country, and a sitting Democratic president stepped aside due to public pressure for younger leadership, but yeah the concept of gerontocracy is what did them in. 🙄
Kyrsten Sinema is in her 40s, Bernie Sanders is in his 80s.
Age is not the factor here.
Literally the oldest president-elect in American history, but keep acting like age matters.
It’s attitude. It’s playing by the rules or bending them. Republicans figured out the cheat codes…they can bend the rules and win, or at the very least not lose. Because you can’t, honestly, compete with that. It’s impossible. Lies are far easier to create than they are to refute.
So either Dems have to go low, and lower the bar further, bend the rules more, and be just as guilty of breaking democracy as the GOP…or they can play clean and lose. There is no winning for the Democrats, and there is no losing for the Republicans. They found the cheat codes.
What’s more, they got seized control of the anti-cheat (SCOTUS) 4 years ago. Stubbornness is a part of it, sure…RBG was too stubborn to leave at an opportune time…but let’s not kid ourselves over GOP hypocrisy when it came time to fill her seat, and let’s not consider whether or not Trump is stubborn.
Republicans can do no wrong, but Democrats have to be perfect.
So either Dems have to go low, and lower the bar further, bend the rules more, and be just as guilty of breaking democracy
If you were elected to do X, and the rules get in the way, it’s antidemocratic to let them stop you.
Every time the democrats used the parliamentarian or the villain of the week or the republicans or norms or rules they themselves set in the senate as an excuse to do what their voters want (and their donors don’t want), they are breaking democracy.
Democrats don’t have to be perfect, they have to be effective. Republicans are effective, but only to do bad things. Democrats do manage to be effective sometimes, but only to do bad things, such as when Biden went around congress to keep arms shipments flowing to Israel.
You are embracing fascism as long as it’s your guys.
That’s the problem.
There’s no winning. Democrats embrace fascism, everyone loses. Democrats play by the rules, Democrats lose.
It’s not for lack of trying. Congress has been too split for too long, Republicans care more about open-carrying to committee meetings than to get anything actually done. They get to make the Democrats look bad by dragging their heels and voting no on anything they bring up. And that makes them heroes, somehow.
No, fascism isn’t when you break rules to be effective in government.
Would you call FDR a fascist?
Republicans care more about open-carrying to committee meetings than to get anything actually done
So go around them. Did you learn nothing from Obama giving the republicans half of the discretionary budget to appeal to their better nature, which the republicans voted against anyway? Or the compromised republican healthcare plan, Obamacare? West wing-brained libs claimed this was a stroke of genius, because everyone would see how civil and reasonable the dems were by reaching across the aisle.
And then the dems got blown the fuck out in 2010 because republicans saw their representatives fighting for them, and dem voters saw their representatives unilaterally passing republican policy despite having a super majority in the house and senate.
Age caps are good.
A rating voting system would be good too.
But I don’t think there won’t be younger people with the same kind of hubris.
RIP democracy :(
Yeah seems like that was it for the US. Have fun living in Gilead.
Ngl probably going to try to leave for good
Get the process started now. Don’t wait.
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Please pick another place then here to go. We have enough Americans and your problems.
The Americans that want nothing to do with Trump are the ones you want trying to immigrate to your country. Use your brain before you speak. You sound exactly like a republican talking about Mexicans.
The ones who wanted something to do with Kamala aren’t wanted either. The parties are so far right, that most Dem voters would probably support our right wing in my country.
Id say its more akin to not wanting to take in those Russians who were fleeing conscription at the start of the war.
No I was talking about how we have a housing crisis and people are freezing to death on the streets, and lets be fair even the “ones who want nothing to do with trump” are still way right of center in a global sense.
Please go someplace warm instead.
I assume you’re Canadian. This is a problem across North America. Almost nowhere is safe now.
The construction industry scaled way back in 2008, and it never really scaled back up in North America. We’re not building enough to keep pace with population growth and to replace aging homes.
We need to build, not blame each other.
There are more than enough houses for the global homeless population overall. It’s the borders and high rents that are keeping them on the streets, not prospective immigrants.
I’m lucky enough to have dual EU nation citizenship from my childhood. Going to be digging through my childhood paperwork in case I need it.
Welp, that’s a wrap. We reelected Trump. I’m floored.
Hello floored, I am to say it lightly “disappointed”
As a trans person, it’s a bit more than light for me
Yeah, really hope you can figure something out. We both know you are not safe.
We both know you are not safe.
Don’t know if this is sympathy or if you’re out front of their door in a bush right now.
Hey, Nick Cage is an icon.
“I’M A VAMPIRE! I’M A VAMPIRE!”
truly remarkable cinematic masterpieces that he’s created over the years.
Yeah that was great. Truly the actor most suited for these times.
I’m sorry we failed you Bernie.
Democratic party is fucking useless. We will never be free unless we rid ourselves of legalized corruption.
Poor take. Truthfully, the people want hate. That’s what trump ran on and promised.
This isn’t about policy or likeability or whatever. This is what people want and they proved it. Stop blaming the Democrat party and blame what this country and its people are instead.
Are you kidding? The DNC circumvented the entire primary process to give us ANOTHER “anointed one” and, again, possibly the worst candidate possible to create the coalition that has always been Democrats’ bread-and-butter. They even had Hillary go down to FL to lecture voters, while Bill went to Michigan to preach to Muslim communities about why the war in Israel is right. It’s a fucking lampoon of strategy.
Every single DNC “elite” should retire from politics, today. They’re losers, and losers lose. Because they never learn from their mistakes, which is what is required to win.
I’m sorry, since when is circumventing primary process worse than literally trying to steal an election? You want the perfect Democrat to run, while the other side is running a joke.
Let’s not kid ourselves, the reason Democrats lost was because of economy and voter apathy. Otherwise, we wouldn’t see Democrats lose control of all branches of the government. No matter what strategies they adopted, it wouldn’t have worked.
She was already a VP and our country still has inflation. People are idiots and blame it on Democrats.
I mean, it’s likely both. Apathy towards hate is still pretty bad imo, and hate is the Republican party platform. Also just saying, the economy needs some inflation and I think we’re around 3% right now, which economists agree is ideal? Not an expert there tho
They are elite. Not in quotes. The fact that they remain an elite and will remain an elite under Trump shows us that they are not losers and they don’t lose.
They didn’t lose control over DNC, that’s what they care about, perpetual real power over half the politics in one big country, not temporary and limited power over all of it.
In this case they have also shown Trump and anybody else that they are a very convenient opposition, that should remain as it is. It’s a win.
But you’re the guys who flew to the Moon, invented nukes and the Internet. You’ll think of something.
If I’m following, we should… use the Internet to nuke the moon?
Or send nukes from the Moon to silence the Internet, it was a mistake
Now. I’m no nuclysicist, but can we not nuke the earth, please? All my stuff is there. ☹️
We have to nuke something
He didn’t say he preferred trump, he said the Democrats are useless.
Which they are; they couldn’t defeat an orange windbag with transparent aspirations of autocracy.
Hate and simple answers. Trump will “fix inflation” and “bring jobs back”, what could be better? Don’t ask how or what it will cost.
This kind of take is why we’re stupid.
I do not trust Americans to “do their own research”. I’ve seen how that has gone in the past. Too many Americans do their own research while scrolling Facebook from the toilet.
“do their own research”
That’s redneck for “I found someone that agrees with me on the Facebook”.
Research requires a critical mind. Think of a person you know that has average intelligence, 50% of people are more stupid than that.
And I’m not saying that stupidity is solely an issue for the republican electorate, I’m just saying “do your own research” is an unrealistic expectation.
People need to be engaged with.
More to the point, people need to not be told they’re stupid for not already understanding everything there is to know about the theory you’re peddling by a person who has taken some pains to avoid explaining any aspect of that theory.
Average lemmyml user
Satan himself could’ve posted that and he would still be right. Rather than being busy shitting on people for being the wrong kind of people who is right, you should shit on a people voting actual, literal Nazis ans facists into power.
Sorry we let you down, Bernie, there are just too many shitheads now.
Oligarchs have all the power now
I wonder how quickly will the US progress from Elon Musk prancing around on stage to Trump Jack Ma-ing him, or if Bloomberg will commit suicide by six shots to the back of the head.
The golden age of the US oligarchy has been this past period. Under fascism, the causal relationship between having power and money reverses.
WDYM, Hitler was pretty friendly with German oligarchy. No suiciding them or something, their relationships were pretty chill, having fun together, going to countryside, going to each other with families, having coffee.
what are you even talking about? Rich people are last on a long list of scapegoats
Look at Russia’s oligarchs. Hell, look at Hungary.
There was this one wealthy guy bankrolling Orbán’s campaigns, one of the wealthiest people in Hungary. He got into an argument with Orbán publicly. Today he’s neither wealthy, nor living in Hungary.
The people will not turn on rich people. I’m saying rich people are used to be controlling politics, but in a Russian style system, rich people are controlled BY politics, not the other way around.
He’s still alive and no longer in hungary? so like rich people might move to their vacation estate for a year or two? this is just ordinary rich people stuff except instead of doing it for a tax cut they’re doing it because they publicly disagreed. Its theater. The whole point is to protect the money piles. It took russia like 20 years to start fussing about rich people that left the country
Imagine Murdoch arguing with Trump, trying to bankroll another party to rein him in, with it ending in him selling all his news outlets and retiring.
The point is that money doesn’t get you political power in this system.
Imagine because that’s not even remotely how it works.
Not in the US, not yet.
In a Russian style society, money means jack shit against actual power.
It depends if Vance can place a rollerskate at the top of the White House steps before that happens.
Except they’ve always had all the power. The money gets what the money wants.
True.
But now more of the hurdles will be removed. Gotta make that wealth extraction more efficient 📈🥴
Can’t let those poor and middle class people hold onto any of their money.That’s not true, we had a good run from the forties until I was born in the eighties. A whole forty years of some amount of power!
do you understand how much of the civil rights movement has happened since the eighties?
we’ve made them make concessions before. we’ve won before. we could win again.
and you… you have no idea how badly i wish i believed what i just said.
Yeah I guess before the full weight of the citizens united decision killed what was left we eaked out a bit of stuff.
Now? I wasn’t aware they ever didn’t.
It’s more like all pretense is gone now. Before, there was this veneer of legitimacy. Now, it’s straight up fascism. It’s a matter of image projection.
More like the oligarchy now have 99% of the power rather than 98%.
The issue is that we believe we have a free democracy when the only power we have is to put an X in a box every few years. The system isn’t broken, it’s working as it’s designed to.
The issue is that we believe we have a free democracy when the only power we have is to put an X in a box every few years.
Right.
I get why people say you “have to” vote against someone in a First Past The Post voting system. What I don’t get is the inaction from the democratic party on changing the voting system between elections.
I wish the democrats had one tenth the urgency they claim to have. Democracy is one election away from falling… wouldn’t you want multiple chances to defeat the republicans every election?
Democrats are so full of themselves, they won’t accept that they might have to step out of the way to prevent the republicans from ruining this country. This fight is greater then the democratic party. They should start acting like it by pushing to get rid of FPTP voting in the states they control.
What I don’t get is the inaction from the democratic party on changing the voting system between elections.
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The Democrats didn’t secure a large enough majority in previous elections to overcome Republican resistance to changing things like FPTP voting or the electoral college.
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There is a lot of contention within the Democratic party (at the federal level at least) as it shifts further towards the right in an effort to remain in power. Getting rid of FPTP voting would make it harder for centrist/right leaning Democrats to remain in power.
Several states have switched to RCV for some of their elections, and progress has been slow, but it’s being made. If you want to see more, elect people that prioritize implementing better voting systems.
right leaning Democrats
all Democrat party members are right leaning
Bernie is
aleft-leaningDemocratand opposes FPTP. I’m glad he got re-elected!Edit: I am wrong
Bernie is not a Democrat.
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Democrats are so full of themselves, they won’t accept that they might have to step out of the way to prevent the republicans from ruining this country
you mean like biden did?
don’t make me put on the mittens
We did it! Good job!
It wasn’t even close
It was very close. As predicted, the battleground states all came down to 1 or 2 percent. Everything fell within the margins of error.
Unfortunately, the 1 or 2 percent leans all went in Trump’s direction.
We still got mid terms
I rather fight for the Republic and not a state plant.
I’d* rather fight
I’m with you.
What democracy?
The Democrats and Republicans fought harder to keep the party I support off the ballot than they did to stop each other from getting elected.
