These might be the good old days. Go outside, feel the grass, say wassup to your neighbors,… whatever you do that means community, because sh*t might get bad for a while.
Not if you’re a wage earner, sadly.
American propaganda is wild.
The best part will be if we wins, those in power will just sit around with their thumbs up their butts waiting for fascism to take over on Jan. 20th.
And the thing is: Trump is not a clever man. In fact, he’s blantantly, obviously, ferociously stupid. He didn’t just appear out of nowhere. The rest of us have been watching this dog eat grass for the last 50 years.
Also, vote if you haven’t yet.
Yep, already dropped of my mail-in ballot in person and received an email from the county election supervisor that my vote counted 🤠
I voted, but since I’m not in a swing state I wouldn’t go so far as to say my vote counted.
Iowa wasn’t considered a swing state till the Selzer Poll. Thank you for helping to build consensus!
People around the world already live in terror of what USA government may do to them
Of the Dems win and they don’t put a boot on the neck of this fascist movement it will take over eventually.
But that would require them to reign in the very same companies that sponsor them. One can hope, but it seems unlikely.
It’s a cult of personality. Jack Smith and the Judiciary just needs to step on the gas as soon as the election is called for Harris, get him gone. It’ll be interesting to see where the GOP goes from there, but MAGA will be dead. Would anyone else be happy with your normal everyday NeoCons running the GOP again?
Companies don’t want fascism, they just want tax breaks. Civil war and dictatorships are bad for business.
Fascism is very good for businesses. They squash dissent like unions and the publics voice. Then only the billionaire class will have a voice.
Billionaires in China have been disappeared before. There’s only the head of state that matters in fascism.
Only the chosen few businesses, and entirely at the whims of the dictator. Your CEO pisses off the leader, your business goes bye bye.
Fascists weren’t bad for companies like VW, BMW, and Hugo Boss.
Which fascist movement? american or israel?
Y’all queda
Honestly it doesn’t matter who wins the election. Bam I said it.
Well it does technically matter but I don’t think it is worth getting stressed about. Your vote is just a small part in the process. If something bad happens you can deal with it then.
I like your optimism but I think he was just the test run.
Then you’re showing your privilege, and clearly haven’t seen the thousands of images and videos of shredded children coming out of Palestine for the past year.
Yeah, and I plan to vote against Netanyahu’s buddy who keeps saying he should do “whatever it takes to finish the job”. Stop pretending that a Trump presidency will be better for Palestine. Literally everyone who actually cares about Palestinians in good faith knows that a vote for Harris is a vote for harm reduction.
You’re showing your privilege here by admitting you aren’t scared of Trump’s plans, which involves oppressing millions of people, because you’re confident you’re not one of the groups he plans to oppress.
Cope lol. Harris has consistently shown her message to be “fuck Palestine”. You call it a harm reduction, yet how are you going to explain the harm already done, and the point of harm reduction? Is Israel going to genocide less-lightly? Kill all the people in Palestine a little bit slower? What’s the difference in the end, there is absolutely none.
Harris polls this shittily because of Palestine and going against what people want. That’s why suddenly 2 days before the election the messaging changed to “we love Palestine we will end the war really quickly!”.
The reality is you cannot run a campaign on “but Trump worse!”. You need something that makes you different, you need policy. That’s why Kamala’s CNN Town Hall was such a huge failure - the only thing she talked about is how she isn’t Trump. Acting as if “people are stupid if they don’t vote, vote 3rd party or vote Trump” is a valid statement only shows the blindness of what’s actually happening. And what’s happening is if you only care about Palestine / Middle East, both candidates will happily stand by and letting it burn.
Remember, this all could stop immediately using one phone call to Netanyahu. We know that, because things like this stopped immediately after such phonecalls. But there needs to be a political will to do that, and there is none right now, or in the future.
A blank check is a blank check. Doesn’t matter if it comes from someone who claims they do it reluctantly, or someone who does it enthusiastically.
And if that is the only point worth voting for then so be it, but pretty sure there are vastly different stances on other things that should change your mind.
I vote based on their records. Not their promises. Their actual policies are remarkably similar.
Then stfu with your timely virtue signaling and stop acting like you’re going to do anything that might even remotely move us in the right direction. Those children don’t give a shit about your Internet posts and you aren’t helping them by ruining the lives of our own too. You’re just an idiot or a plant and both are the same thing
The still living Palestinian children constantly go online to thank people for their vocal support, and the PFLP has asked Americans to boycott the Dems and GOP.
Ok good job, you’re a hero
I’ll take the one whose “record” doesn’t include felony convictions.
You have to qualify it with “convictions,” because Harris illegally withheld evidence from defendants in multiple instances, and has openly declared her intent to continue arming the genocide (which is a felony).
I’m not sure ‘I’m voting for the person who got away with it’ is a strong endorsement.
Trump and team don’t need to win the election. They just need to make it tainted with enough irregularities that it forms the basis for the entire thing to be called into question. Even if that evidence is created by them. And this time they’re more prepared for that outcome. They’ve had years to work on his scenario.
The court cases and investigations will go on for years.
Doesn’t need to win a vote at all.
The major difference is that he’s not president this time, Biden is. Republicans only control the House, and that control is narrow. He will try, but he has very few people in government who support him this time.
Frankly that is BS
Anyway what happens if he wins fair in square? Would there be a group of people who refused to accept it? Maybe even a violent mob on the capital?
I think both sides need to chill. I’ve seen so many people questioning the polls even though there is little evidence to back it up. We don’t need mobs from either side causing chaos. I think a lot of uncertainty is coming from US adversaries who want to destabilize the US. It is scary how well it is working.
Also calling the election into question isn’t a problem by itself. If they want to do a recount that is perfectly fine by me. I think it is way more important to have accurate results. Follow the law and official policies. If doing a recount means settling a dispute then go for it.
They already won culturally, as they managed to shift the political culture closer towards theirs. They also managed to set issues that are “theirs”. We see the same shit in Europe, were supposedly progressive parties are implementing the wildest dreams of racist anti-immigration, anti-refugee, anti-science and authoritarian surveillance state policies that the fascists dreamed off. All in the name of “stopping” them, while neglecting actually relevant issues like social services and infrastructure investments. Rinse and repeat and by the time the fascists take over all they have to do is remove the remaining formalities of division of power and democracy.
That’s true… They just need enough to start a civil war (and the entire point by Trump, and the rest of his cronies is to stay out of prison).
And all he needs to do, is start a coup, but not be 100% upfront this time. And he’s been sowing those seeds… He also needs to take over the justice system and the voting system (and he’s been trying to do that too). The idea, like dealing drugs or the mafia, is to try to put measures in place so that other people get blamed
Hahahahhahahaha you think Trump is the last guy to feel threatened by? The dude was just the starter. There’s a whole movement now with tons of corrupt politicians who will try to get a shot at the presidency. I’m thinking about the Florida governor for example.
USA is a country with a lot of inequality, if not rising inequality, so a fertile breeding ground for populists. And it has an ancient voting system that always gives a two party system so perfect for this kind of polarisation. The system with campaign contributions will also make sure nothing changes about inequality and is making things worse. Yeah, it’ll happen again.
The voting system is so insane. I mean sure, back in the 18th century it made sense due to the travel required, but the fact that americans still use a voting system from that time says it all really…
https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Madison/01-10-02-0065
There was one difficulty however of a serious nature attending an immediate choice by the people. The right of suffrage was much more diffusive in the Northern than the Southern States; and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of the Negroes. The substitution of electors obviated this difficulty and seemed on the whole to be liable to fewest objections.
Nothing to do with travel, it was just the only way to launder slave votes
You’re right in concept but DeSantis utterly fizzled nationally. Even in Florida he’s aging like last week’s fish.
Only because he fucked up and went after the Mouse lol
Mouse will fuck you up
Trump is still around though. I bet FL man takes a big step up in popularity once that’s no longer true.
Jeb Bush?
I think you mean Jeb!
Please clap.
You mean Dicksantis?
Yeah that douche.
Like. Did people forget how insane everyday was when he was President? Like you never knew what was gonna happen he was always wanting the attention.
It’s crazy that the vote is apparently close. Really goes to show how many “average” americans have utterly lost any connection to actual reality and have guzzled enough of the kool-aid to believe the weird whacky world of wonders the religious fascists constantly conjure up.
I wonder though, is this ultimately a failure not of the education and internal offices, decades ago? We let schools let people down, leading to them becoming undereducated terrible parents who let their kids down and made them vulnerable to be exploited by republicans and churches and crypto grifters. :(
Racism and misogyny. That is all it is.
That’s not all, probably not even the main one. It’s a major cost of living crisis and impoverishment of average people while companies and the richest get richer. Neither the Ds nor the Rs want to do anything against it, they get their money from there.
The people kinda understand this. But they’re not intelligent enough to distinguish “actually changing the system” with “just saying they’re gonna change the system”, like Trump does. Trump is always talking about uprooting the deep state and bringing an “average person”(white middle/lower class) perspective to politics, and people just gobble it up and believe it because he’s kinda good at talking with conviction.
Of course the misogyny and racism is part of it and an extra, but it’s not the main reason at all. For some people it is, of course.
And propaganda. LOTS of propaganda.
Large part of the country was built on that foundation. Shocking how proud of it they are.
That’s a really black and white way to look at it. These are complex issues. Any attempt to find a simple explanation to them is by definition going to be oversimplifying it massively.
Dont take polls so seriously. Even pollsters know that they have no idea how accurate they might be.
I’m just going to keep riding this horse until it fucking dies but the very first thing he did was take everything Obama did during his presidency and throw it out the window, including the pandemic playbook.
That playbook would have given us step by step instructions and reactions to deal with any type of suddenly erupting national pandemic like Ebola or coronavirus.
And because of this, which was by all measures a racially motivated attack on Obama, more than 1 million Americans died in a badly managed pandemic.
Trump’s racism killed a million Americans.
It undoubtedly exacerbated the problem for the entire world and his total kill count is likely much more than that.
How can you let somebody who genocided millions of people through racism sit in the oval office?
It’s a cult. They have people denying COVID ever existed. Heartily rejecting vaccines.
There’s just too much to list but it only ever makes sense if you take whatever he’s doing as right and readjust everyone around him to work does it ever make sense.
The fact that this election is even close is absolutely insane to me.
Se simply by popular vote because people are supporting that shit, knowingly or unknowingly
I woke up every day worried that we’d nuked Spain overnight.
Just as insane as it is today if you ask me
exactly what i was thinking about. it was such a tense and shameful period.
I just hope if he loses, it’s by a wide margin so there’s no challenge. Just decisive victory and we can all move on….
If we are being honest I suspect this election will be tight. Let’s try not to pull a democrat this time. In 2020 they voted to uphold the election without any recounts because there was a democrat majority in Congress. When you are elected leader it is your job to serve the people. They should’ve at least looked into Trumps claims even if they were fabricated.
They did… and found nothing except an occasional republican fraud. The facts don’t matter to facists.
Trump will challenge no matter what the margin is, if he loses. He will never concede because he’s a narcissistic loser and his moron followers will blindly do his bidding, especially on the next January 6.
Don’t underestimate their tactic. For the republican presidential campaign, they will recognize only one of two outcomes: victory, or election tampering/fraud/manipulation. And, the wider the margin of win, the stronger the rhetoric will be.
Trump insisted he won the popular vote in 2016. That was him setting this whole thing up.
As long as he loses I think it’s mostly good. He currently does not hold the levers of power, and I think as much as his supporters like to play the victim, I think a second loss will lead to evaporating support. Hard to pretend to be a strongman when you look weak
A second loss should be a death knell of the current Republican party. He won’t transition any of his power to Vance or any other Republicans. He could die and we still would see 10% of the Americans to vote for him in 2028 because his death was just media propaganda as far as they are concerned.
Stop teasing me with best case scenarios.
His breakfast Big Mac could still go down wrong this morning.
10%? Try 25%-30%
I can easily see the party fracture, Republicans and MAGA. If they do split it may be a while before they come back into power.
His rallies have fizzled and I suspect this year (unlike 2016) a lot of these attendees were paid for their attendance, hence the common early exodus we have seen from his “supporters”.
Expect the challenge. I’ve been watching the usual suspects on Twitter, they’re completely bwashed into thinking there’s only one possible outcome, and if it goes against them it means there’s been election fraud. They’re already calling it a landslide.
This, after ten years of this orange baboon dominating the headlines and flinging shit everywhere I’m ready for it to end.
I hoped for his removal.
I voted Trump but I completely agree. We need a landslide, even if Harris wins. Anything else gives the bad actors on either side fuel for an already out of control fire.
What we need is to slow down and take everything slowly. Don’t rush and recount and investigate if needed.
bOTh SiDEs 🙄
Sorry, but I just had to take a peek at your profile. You claim to be on an autism spectrum, yet you voted for a man who will - as the first order of business - make your very life extremely miserable.
That is my take. May I ask what is yours?
I’ve never been one to believe fake political fear mongering bullshit. The right does it too. He’s not Hitler. He’s not going to go after disabled people. It’s bullshit lies. We’re getting more of his first 4 years if he wins.
I sure hope that’s the case. Are there any particular resolutions you hope he can pull through in his term?
I wonder if those folks who cast a protest vote for Jill Stein will be sleeping soundly tonight… I sure hope not. I hope they’re fucking terrified.
Isn’t Jill Stein effectively a republican asset at this point? Like not just a spoiler candidate but one actively funded by the right?
You definitely are going to sleep better by not supporting any criminal with blood on his hands. There’s many other things other than voting you can do to change things for good, if you are not fine with Jill Stein and believe she’s evil don’t vote for them either
Of course they are sleeping soundly. They’d literally be marching into the camps convinced they did the right thing.
“F ė brıf momimt, Uı þıŋk ð establicmint lṙnd itſ leſėn…”
spoiler
“For a brief moment, I think the eetablishment learned its lesson…”
With how few actual thoughts go through their minds I’m sure they’ll sleep well enough.
