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Yeah. They have always done extended support like this.
Yeah I’m already switching to Linux next year, I don’t need rage bait in my life.
Isn’t that just the standard MS has had for extended security updates for long? Basically just “fuck you if you don’t want to upgrade your old ass system we’re gonna charge for maintaining that shit”
I mean I get it, though understand why people don’t want to hop to win11 but get on Linux then bitch
This is just the beginning of a yearly subscription for Windows OS. Just wait.
By offering extended support? Same as they’ve done since at least windows 95?
Windows bad, remember?
Oh right. Uh, Bill Gates personally gave me AIDS.
Bill Gates gave me the 5G covid vaccine microchip.
Edit: /s
This is just the beginning of a thread of ragebait and misinformation. Windows has been doing this for yearrssssssss. Stop sensationalizing old news.
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Why will they do that? That will kill Windows.
Normies will pay. They aint got nothing to hide and they are not poor!
Quit being poor, mate
Normies won’t pay for this wtf are you smoking? They’re just gonna let their computer not be up to date and not care.
Maybe you are right… This aint netlfix
They’ll just let Windows update their system to 11
Unless their machine doesn’t meet the hardware requirements.
Then they’ll just stop updating until they can afford a new computer. People who can’t afford a computer that can run Windows 11 certainly aren’t paying for security updates. So the guy I replied to is right.
This isnt available to individuals anyhow, only to schools and businesses.
It’s actually available for individuals now, the first time Microsoft has done this. Though it isn’t clear if Home versions most individuals would have is included, or if it’s for the Pro version only.
This makes me want to downgrade to 10 and just pay for the subscription
Oh interesting! I was reading something recently that said MS had clarified that it was for businesses only, but that must have been an old article.
Nah, I would rather use free Linux.
It’s actually incredible how good Linux is, and it’s entirely free. No ads, no bullshit, just a rock solid OS. It’s staggering how small a proportion of people use it.
It’s amazing how much better an operating system can be when it’s built by the community.
can you point me in the direction to learn?
https://itsfoss.com/install-ubuntu/
The best advice I’ve heard is to not overthink the distribution. There are so many, and the differences are actually a lot smaller than people let on. Most of the differences are cosmetic, and the differences that are not cosmetic are things a beginner wouldn’t notice, like package management policies.
Ubuntu, while not perfect, probably has the most straightforward installation process and is widely used so you can get lots of help online.
Once you get a little more comfortable with Linux, check out the Arch Linux Wiki. It is filled with lots and lots of really good info that usually pertains to all Linux distributions, not just Arch.
Start following different Linux communities on Lemmy and Mastadon, there are many great communities.
Also, there will always be assholes who gate keep - this is not unique to Linux. So ignore the few haters out there, there is an overwhelming majority of super helpful and kind people out there.
Arch BTW?
Hannah Montana Linux btw?
For one year.
They’re not eligible to continue to get security updates after that (even though they’ll still be doing them because businesses will).
How much for security updates for XP?
The navy pays $9million a year for xp updates
I want to meet the windows XP update team in 2024 😁
Sure they’re down the hall, next to the Cobol room.
I work with automation in manufacturing facilities on the regular. Windows CE and XP are fuckin everywhere.
My understanding is that the cost of Extended Security Updates (ESU) goes up every year.
Tbh sounds fair. I mean keeping systems secure is not cheap task . If we can kep using w10 without all the “free AI “ shit , is not bad . I mean they will get their income from w11 from it on users… From users data. They should add windows clean with the office subscription and a not clean option . I would not say free. We are used to think that free is better, but there are a lot of time invested in development and updates. Linux free distros are not so secure, they even do a statement you have to agree to use them. that’s why companies pay Read hat .
…windows 10 was free to a lot of people; it’s a pretty solid OS and i’d be happy to pay a fair price for ongoing support…
Unless you pirated W10 it was not free. The price of laptop and PC hardware with Windows per-installed is subsidized.
I got my license for free from Microsoft, they literally gave them away when 10 was first launching, it was some kind of ambassador program ig but whatever it was it didnt require paying for anything.
First time ive had a legitimate windows license since xp
I upgraded for free from windows 7
It was offered as a free upgrade for anyone with Wishes 7/8. And you could get free upgrades to those from earlier editions of Windows, too.
Some people haven’t paid for Windows in 2 decades-ish with a legit retail purchase.
…i should clarify: upgrades from windows 7/8 were free…
OK Looks like my little MS Surface is going to be running Linux.
It is stupid easy to get Linux to run a surface
I’m running Win 10 Ameliorated on mine. Manual driver installs were the only big hiccup. Works well otherwise, but it’s not my daily driver.
I can’t really use Linux since my work is deeply embedded in Microsoft everything; I need OneDrive to work dependably.
lol no
Microsoft needs to sell its software (including OS) and they’ve always done so through manufacturers.
The average user, in their mind, doesn’t care about/want/have a choice for Windows, they just went to a shop to buy a computer, Windows was just on it. So for Microsoft, a public company who’s graphs need to keep going up forever, “increasing revenue from Windows” equates to “making people buy more computers” - this, in my opinion, is why they went down the TPM route (which consumers didn’t care about), and now, the “Copilot compatible” PC (whixh users don’t care about) routes. For the shareholders, you need a new computer, not an update to your existing one.
So this is where it gets interesting - a catch 22 for Microsoft - the average user doesn’t want a new computer (the internet works fine right), but Microsoft need their graphs to go up and they don’t want to work for free… BUT they can’t afford to have “Windows” become synonymous with “viruses” again (they bothered to make Windows defender for free for this reason), so if people don’t pay up, there could be millions of virus ridden computers and everyone will look for a new laptop “but not windows again” because of the viruses…
Mac instead? Maybe, but most laptops are sold for €300, not €1000+…
Current known, “safe consumer choice” brands (OEMs) and big box retailers are and will continue to be influenced/controlled/blackmailed by Microsoft’s license pricing and legal teams to maintain the status quo on the shelves and we’ll see what plays out.
This subscription talk then is big news, not just because of the controversy surround subscriptions generally, but because this could change the shape of supply and demand in the PC market significantly.
As always there won’t be one answer for everyone, but these are some ways it could play out.
- Microsoft forgets the idea
- Microsoft offers a free version supported by ads
- Consumers pay up, even if it takes a generation
- Consumers move to Apple
- Major PC manufacturers and retailers spite Microsoft terms, and offer alternative OS’s
- Smaller/new PC manufacturers rise, and offer alternative OS’s
Will people pay up? Will Chromebooks take over?
Or…
(Removes sunglasses)
…will 2025 be the year of the Linux desktop?
Every year is the year of the linux desktop. Sure it has just as many problems as the others but it gets better every year and I certainly never felt the same about windows. Mac I don’t have that reverse winding in my head that makes people find the apple UI’s intuitive.
alright how do I switch to linux
You embrace the Gospel of Truth from Sloppily Generated Arch Jesus.
I’d say start out with Linux Mint (debian edition) if you need something simple. Bazziteos if you’re a gamer. Jump around as you see fit. Maybe put it on a vm to test it out or make a ventoy usb to put a bunch of isos on and test them all out.
when you say test them out what am I looking for? I really truthfully play very simple low demand games and older games a little, I mostly use my computer for browsing/writing/work.
easy to install, free of bullshit and compatible with Firefox lol also light demand my laptop is a little guy
When I say gaming I mean steam, proton, Wine, epic games stuff is pretty much pre installed, if you don’t need all that then linux mint should do fine
I’m a neanderthal. I barely know how computers work. I switched to Linux mint cinnamon a couple months ago. I’m a light user, mostly using word processing, internet, Foundry VTT to run games, and some light gaming via steam. I watched some YouTube videos and read some articles and just kinda sent it. It is offensively easy. I see no reason to go back to windows.
There are some things that take getting used to, but the user interface is really similar to windows and I would argue is largely more functional.
This video and this article helped a lot.
Remember, I am dumb and I did it. You can do it.
So… Torrenting security patches will be a thing? That would be a bizarre usage of torrents I have to say
I mean, this is nothing new.
People pirate extended support all the time, just look at LTSB/LTSC.
If ya dig enough you can probably find people Frankensteining patches from POSReady just so they can keep running Win7 lol
At this point am gonna use linux.
Do we get a refund when it fails prove secure?
As Steve Ballmer said… Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux …
On a slightly more serious note though: switch to Linux, jd if you still need windows for something, run it in a VM under Linux. Just don’t pay for the license because fuck Microsoft
“We let known security holes in our products, causing even the US government to be hacked, because revealing tha they existed in the first place would cost customers and hurt our bottom and only line: money. But don’t worry! Our CEO just promised we will never do it again, pretty smile”.
