We’ve had some trouble recently with posts from aggregator links like Google Amp, MSN, and Yahoo.

We’re now requiring links go to the OG source, and not a conduit.

In an example like this, it can give the wrong attribution to the MBFC bot, and can give a more or less reliable rating than the original source, but it also makes it harder to run down duplicates.

So anything not linked to the original source, but is stuck on Google Amp, MSN, Yahoo, etc. will be removed.

  • jordanlund@lemmy.worldOPMEnglish
    111·
    2 months ago

    Again, those are stressors caused by their lower socioeconomic status, not because they are renters. They are renters BECAUSE of their status, and are stressed by their status. They are NOT stressed because they are renters.

    Trying to spin it the other way is why the story is, correctly, marked as false.

    https://science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/science-questions/10-correlations-that-are-not-causations.htm

    • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      11·
      2 months ago

      For clarity, your defense of MBFC’s rating is that anxiety over rising rent costs outpacing wages (leading to more people spending more of their income on rent), worries about no fault eviction (which only happens if you rent), and stress from poor quality housing (which again is mostly a problem for renters, because homeowners can deal with it how and when they please), is somehow completely unconnected to the fact these people are renting?

      Yeah, I guess it’s technically true that they could have rented a castle or a luxury apartment instead. But it’s completely irrelevant when talking about the effects of housing insecurity on large swathes of the populace, and trying to spin it as “The Guardian says renting is bad for your health, negative points!!” is outright dishonest.

      • jordanlund@lemmy.worldOPMEnglish
        111·
        2 months ago

        No, I’m saying them being renters is at the same level as all the other problems. They face a lot of shit because of their poor economic status, and that causes them stress, but one of the things they face is their economic status forces them to rent.

        Renting doesn’t cause the stress, it’s caused by the same thing that causes them stress. The root cause is lower socio economic status. Everything flows from that.

        • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          12·
          2 months ago

          They face a lot of shit because of their poor economic status, and that causes them stress, but one of the things they face is their economic status forces them to rent.

          Cool, you have gone so far into the weeds that this no longer even resembles the original fact check, which was:

          The survey asked: “To what extent do you agree or disagree with each of the following statements? Housing problems or worries (e.g. affording the rent, poor conditions, losing my tenancy etc.) have made me feel physically ill/sick in the last year.”

          10% of the private renters surveyed strongly agreed and another 13% answered “tend to agree”, meaning around a quarter agreed to some extent.

          The Guardian headlined its piece “Private renting making millions sick in England, poll shows.”

          This suggests a causal link specifically between renting privately (as opposed to renting from the council or some other housing situation) and feeling physically ill or sick. This isn’t evidenced in the survey.

          Survey: did housing worries make you feel sick in the past year?

          About 1/4th of renters: yes

          The Guardian: article focusing entirely on the stress renters face

          MBFC: if you only read the headline this article is very misleading!!