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Jon Stewart examines the choice undecided voters are facing in the 2024 election: Kamala Harris, who has an impressive résumé and specific policy plans, versus Donald Trump, whose vision, consistency on issues, anti-labor ethos, and militaristic posturing are at odds with the caricature his followers have created for him.
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I don’t particularly think his supporters matter, as they are mostly sheep and not one of the main facisim roots.
It’s the fact that more than half of America’s entire media apparatus is entirely behind Trump.
They dominate airwaves and have entire control over several local information ecosystems allowing them to brainwash entire populations with wall-to-wall propaganda that is completely aligned in its message of refuting and obfuscation of reality.
Regardless if the people are racist, scared, simple minded, trained to blindly accept specific authority or whatever, is mostly irrelevant in a society with journalistic integrity, and a non-corporate/private interest owned media.
It’s no surprise that some people believe outrageous, impossible, contradictory, claims when every reality authority available to you exclusively tells you coordinated lies.
Reagan’s FCC overturning the Fairness Doctrine in 1987 is to thank for this. He and Nixon oversaw an incredible amount of societal and governmental sabotage. Quite the legacy.
It’s so much worse now, with these corpo propaganda outlets pretending that both parties are legitimate political parties representing people and not just fundraising/grifting organizations.
Kamala should out the fairness doctrine back in its place, hell, add it to the constitution. I know this will require Congress too, well, get it done.
Maybe…to tell you the truth, I’m not sure if the Fairness Doctrine fits this world anymore. You’re right though, while the president can light the fire, it will ultimately be up to Congress to actually do something about it.
Right now corporate news agencies are just mouthpieces for our corporate overlords who buy all of the politicians in order to further enrich themselves at our expense. It’s literally robbing us on a national scale. The less facts people understand, the easier it is for them to pull the wool over our eyes and gaslight us into thinking this is a normal, acceptable situation. Clearly this is not sustainable.
We do need some kind of regulations for news to actually be considered news, and to serve as a mechanism to make them deliver factual, useful information to viewers. Not entirely sure what that would look like tbh.
Yeah, mainstream media is shitshow atm. ABC news fact checked Trump’s BS during that debate and people lost their minds. Why? Because truth doesn’t matter? Now CBS refuses to fact check because they are cowards? They are the GD news. Their job is to literally inform the public of the truth.
It really feels like we are literally watching civilization flushing down the drain and there is nothing that can be done about it.
They did do some fact checking tonight. Not sure it matters overall, based on what you said. Reality can be ignored and rewritten.
I’ve said it before. Misinformation exsits in all information. You will be hard pressed to find any common distributor of information to not have any errors. The thought that you can simply be fed only truth with out having to think critically is a fallacy. You can blame the media for existing but you can’t make it not exist. It’s people, who have principles, ignoring those principles because we’ve allowed that to be acceptable behavior in the states.
Stop asking, “can you believe trump did this thing.” Start asking, “would you do this thing that trump did.” Don’t waste your time on petty shit. Stick with the obscene shit. “Would you grab a woman by the pussy?” “Would you sexually assault a woman.” “Would you call immigrants animals?”
Their only response will be, that’s not true, and right there they have nothing to do but refute reality. A shared reality is the most basic principle of having society and them ignoring what we can see with our eyes and hear with our ears is not them having a different set of facts. It’s pure fantasy. It’s antisocial behavior, and tell them that.
Yeah, I haven’t heard of ANYTHING Harris. Yes this guy keeps showing up in all my feeds
It’s very interesting that you think his supporters are sheep, and all people around you upvote you at a 100% rate. (you received 0 downvotes after calling at least 40% of your countrymen sheep).
Coincidentally, his supporters on their social media post how Kamala voters want the end of the country. With a 100% upvote ratio.
Now, tell me, if I’m an outsider with no horse in this race, and no way of objectively measuring the reality by living in the country of question, what should I think?
While you gather an answer to that question, I’ll be of an opinion that 100% of Americans are complete morons and sheep because they’re unable of having any reasonable democratic process or a political discourse for two years every four years (cuz it’s “election” time).
“Sure, you all call Heaven’s Gate a cult, but everyone in Heaven’s Gate says they’re not a cult. How am I, an outside observer, supposed to know who is right? Clearly everyone but me must be morons.”
“Everyone says those 100 people are a cult” is different from “Half of the population of a country call the other half a cult and vise-versa”.
You might feel like it’s “everyone”, because you never hear anything the other side has to say. But I’m reminding you, from a statistical perspective, the weight is really about 50/50. A 60/40 split in your favor is currently outside of a 3-sigma confidence interval.
from a statistical perspective, the weight is really about 50/50
It’s really not. Republicans have less support from less than 40% of the population, MAGAts are less than 20%. The Electoral College, Gerrymandering, and voter disenfranchisement are the only reason the election is around 50/50.
If the US election was done by a straight popular vote there would have only been a single Republican president since 1990, and it would have been 20 years ago.
You love misinterpreting facts into your favor, don’t you?
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/us/elections/polls-president.html
That’s talking about the Electoral College and chances of winning the election. I was talking about the popular vote, and specifically mentioned that without the Electoral College Republicans wouldn’t have a chance.
Please, point out to me, in the methodology of the poll, which is provided at the bottom of the page, where is it stated that 46/49 numbers are some arbitrary chances of winning the election?
My reading is that they’re averages of other polls that are polling popular vote, e.g. simply asking “which candidate would you vote for if the elections were tomorrow?”.
But, please, I’m happy to be proven wrong.
You might feel like it’s “everyone”, because you never hear anything the other side has to say.
Au contraire mon frere. I would posit that nobody that gives even a single iota of a shit about politics in this country hasn’t been exposed to what “the other side has to say”. I’d also venture to guess that the number of people who don’t give a single iota of shit about politics in this country that have also heard what “the other side has to say” is far above zero. There have even been studies (since you occasionally pretend to give a fuck about objectivity) confirming that Republicans who watch Fox News know less about Democrats than Democrats know about Republicans.
It’s kind of difficult to not “hear what the other side has to say” when half of your news media spends its time interviewing people on both sides of divisive issues such as “the vaccine question” or “is the earth round”, and the other half of your news media openly roots for and argues for Republican candidates.
Dunno, gimme a name of your reputable news sources. I’ma take a look.
Cuz the video in question is as biased as fox news. Just into the opposite direction.
It’s hard for me, personally, to watch it, even though I do believe it’s insane to vote for Trump. And yet the video is just repeatable cringe. It ads nothing to the political debate, and given that this particular show does pretty much the same material every week I’m not sure how isn’t everyone yet bored of watching it?
Cuz the video in question is as biased as fox news. Just into the opposite direction.
The video in this post is from a comedy show on comedy network.
It ads nothing to the political debate
As you continually do here with your “this adds nothing” and “this wastes electricity” posts.
If you don’t like the video or the show, here’s an idea: don’t watch it. You don’t live here so it isn’t even really for you, and you don’t seem to enjoy it much from your pissy moany comments.
Some of us have to live in this country where people make the absurd arguments refuted in the video about Trump, and some of us like to kick back with our feet up and blow off steam with a little mild humor about the absurdity of the political situation in this country.
You do nothing else but kick back and watch some political comedy. And it doesn’t look like fun anymore. At this point lemmy is an emotional support club.
Other than that, I feel you. After I’ve learned that trump got 48% or so of the popular vote (which also somehow won him the election), I’ve forever dropped my plans to move to your beautiful country. Even if career-wise it’s a no-brainer. Tbh, even 40% of the popular vote to that political figure would’ve been too much for my liking.
Now, tell me, if I’m an outsider with no horse in this race, and no way of objectively measuring the reality by living in the country of question, what should I think?
“Living in the country of question” is not necessary for an objective measurement of reality.
I see your getting down votes. This crowd doesn’t like to be called out. Americans are sheep. We buy what we are told to buy; we eat what we are told to eat; we believe what we are told to believe but this isn’t unique to America. We definitely do need to do better in our politics. It’s evident every day when there is an unnaturally orange man on the TV and there isn’t a line of Karen’s sitting in front of every courthouse asking to speak to a manager.
Anyway…
I feel like I’m saying this every day…
His supporters only care that he’s a racist.
They don’t care about his record.
They only care that he’s racist like them.
I think for a lot of people, the economy was better during Trump’s presidency than Biden’s.
These people are ignorant to the fact that Trump inherited Obama’s economy and could literally coast for 4 years and the economy would not change.
He left Biden with a shit show post Covid which also included a massive tax cut for corporations and the wealthy which in no way would pay for itself.
They also like his “Christian values”… AKA banning abortion
You mean women as chattel?
Their views on women are worse than the worst Muslim views. The most they have on Muslims is the hijab when Muslim countries have the highest rate of women in STEM fields in the world, and Muslim countries that haven’t been destabilized by the US and Israel also have them exceed men in advanced degrees.
I am not saying that it is all hunky dorey in the Muslim world, but it isn’t what they say it is.
Like higher infant mortality? Poor education?
You keep saying it every day to people who upvote you at a 100% rate. I don’t think your message is ever received by anyone who disagrees. My question is what’s the point? This is a waste of electricity.
p.s. also all trump supporters are quickly banned on lemmy
I don’t think your message is ever received by anyone who disagrees. My question is what’s the point? This is a waste of electricity.
And you go down the thread posting shit like this. That’s also a waste of electricity. I guess humans are just wasteful. 🤷
The person you responded to has added absolutely nothing. A waste of time really.
To me seems like there’s a potential of a discourse of some sort. Certainly the freshest opinion in the entire post.
also all trump supporters are quickly banned on lemmy
Weird to see a website actually uphold it’s rules on transphobia, homophobia, misinformation, and not being a fascist fuckface, huh?
To me seems like you’re mainly interested in shushing your political opponents.
From the overall sentiment, your only option, really, is to either imprison 40% of your population, if you’d eventually instate the same laws but on the national level instead of lemmy, or to solve matters in a civil war.
I’d, frankly, would be very worried if I were you, and I’d spend my days trying to figure out a solution.
You spend your days meeting the same people, going in a circle one-by-one, everyone in their turn says “trump bad” and the rest nods. Kind of an emotional support group.
To me seems like you’re mainly interested in shushing your political opponents.
Way to out yourself as a piece of shit fascist! If you don’t agree that banning transphobes, homophobes, and literal traitors to our democracy is a good thing, fuck off!
imprison 40% of your population
Lol, Imagine actually thinking they have 40% of the general populations support. If it wasn’t for gerrymandering the GOP wouldn’t win shit here
You spend your days meeting the same people, going in a circle one-by-one, everyone in their turn says “trump bad” and the rest nods. Kind of an emotional support group.
No, we comment on a forum about it. New to the internet?
Explain these numbers to me please: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/us/elections/polls-president.html
Because, what I see, is that, ignoring your stupid broken democracy, we still got like a 46/49 split (5% undecided?)
So, are you delusional, or are you delusional?
I’m not going to explain basic political theory to you, especially when I saw someone else already explain this to you
If you’re too thick to understand polls, how they’re conducted, and what they represent: that’s on you and the school system that failed you
I am sure I am the only one so far who used a “3-sigma-improbable”.
Everyone else kept talking about electoral college, which means nothing in the context of a popular vote poll.
To me it seems like you choose to ignore facts.
Compared to you, I do understand a lot about polls, population samples, sampling methodologies, importance weighting, confidence intervals, and other related stuff. On a level way above high school.
And I think it’s interesting that you likely talk in the same tone to all your political opponents while insinuating its their lack of education that is the problem. And, it does correlate. Your political opponents on average are less educated than your political supporters. And so, you using that when clearly misrepresenting the facts surely makes them feel like listening to your arguments and carefully considering them. After all, they come from someone better educated than them, yeah?
If you don’t agree that banning
Yes, yes, once you come to power and become a benevolent dictator, you will purge like half of your countrymen in the name of the greater good and kindness.
Homie so stupid he thinks that banning someone on a platform which one can freely join under a new name is in any way the same as the ethnic cleansing they want
Took you forever to reply, then 2 separate replies to the same post imin rapid succession? Mods, make it permanent next time so they can see the harder
I say it to people who are trying to understand why Trump has a following. It’s not because he’s smart or a great businessman.
It’s because he’s racist. I love Jon Stewart but his message of trying to help liberals understand Trump’s acolytes misses the mark.
We don’t need to spend more time debating why people like him.
People like Trump because, and I say this again for people who missed it the first time, he is a fucking racist.
What do you do in a democracy where say, for the sake of the argument, exactly 50% of your population is racist?
As in, 50% of your population believes skin color does not matter, the other 50% believe if you’re darker than a certain shade, your brain is that of a baboon, and as an unsuitable human being you should be kept outside of the country borders.
What do you do?
Now, you’re in the same situation, but the split is 60/40. Will you use your majority power to exterminate the other 40?
So far all you do is gather on some corner of the internet and cry in each others shoulder. Every fuckin day. On every fuckin sub.
This platform was created as some “Fediverse”. Something big and all-encompassing. Flying above individual organizations, nations, languages, etc. But all it is atm is an emotional support corner for the non-racist americans.
p.s. also all trump supporters are quickly banned on lemmy
Tell me you don’t understand how Lemmy works without telling me you don’t understand how Lemmy works.
I’m literally banned for shitposting trump support messages. I have cold hard evidence.
I can literally see your posts right now.
You haven’t been banned.
oh, yes, i have. On the shitposting community out of all places.
Is this true? I lean more conservative and will probably vote for Trump. If saying that gets me banned, that’s crazy but I doubt I would. I’ve followed the rules here
You mean you stated a personal opinion in good faith without arguing, misrepresenting, or just making things up? How dare you?
Well, duh!
Can you please, please, stop posting the same political content over all fkn communities on this platform. What the actual point of the entire fediverse being one tiny jerk circle?
Can you please stop posting the same political comments every time? Everyone knows you’ll only post anti democratic comments and your little circle jerk is getting old
Agree, it’s getting old!
It seems like you don’t quite understand how federated services work.
Here’s a quick primer on how you can improve your federated internet experience.
- You can block individual users
- That will remove posts by them from your feed.
- All future and historical posts by them will also be removed from your vision.
- If you feel like a community as a whole is allowing behaviour you disagree with you can block that entire community
- You also have the option of creating your own space with a similar theme, a space that you can police in exactly the way you prefer. ( for example “Video No Politics” )
- In the possible case of disliking the content and/or moderation of an entire instance…you guessed it, you can block that also.
- Creating your own instance is also a possibility, it can be a bit involved but is certainly possible.
- Then you have all the control, you can invite your friends, success.
You could also continue to complain about things you can easily fix, that is also an option.
“Their upvote ratio is too damn high”, is an instant classic btw.
Given your replies so far you seem to be looking for something a bit less echo-chambery (or as i suspect a chamber where the echoes are more to your liking)
Luckily this is entirely possible and relatively easily achievable, have fun.
I’ve been blocking US-news infestation in all subs for like a month now. I keep having 10% of my “All” tab filled with “trump bad” posts that have a 100/1 upvote ratio. I already blocked the guy who posted this vid. Before even commenting.
Yes, lemme block [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], actually, anything lemme just block @, cuz I don’t see any other way out of this.
It’s easier to whitelist 3 active communities than selectively block anything. Those would be a german meme community, a europe community, and a world-news community. Everywhere else top upvotes posts are “trump bad”.
You are conflating your love for your echo chamber with me wanting a different echo chamber.
- You can block individual users
Why don’t you post some positive content about trump?
Let us know when you find some.
That, actually, seems like a fun exercise. I’ll get downvoted to hell, but lemme do a bit of fun.
posted this vid into this community. Let’s see what happens. But, FYI, the video runs exactly like the one posted here.
I, unfortunately, even think the jokes are pretty funny.
I understand in both cases it’s quotes takes out of context.
