Here I’ll fix our problem
Pay teachers more
Build more schools to reduce class sizes
Make sure all kids have access to school food 3 meals a day
Single payer healthcare
Increased mental healthcare facilities and workers so kids don’t turn to suicide
Improve safety nets
End the war on drugs
End for profit prison system
End qualified immunity
Hey look gun violence has dropped like a hot rock…
But no please keep doing the same shit and spend political capital on shit a very large portion of the usa doesn’t want.
While I agree with you, any politician with an R beside their name is going to actively obstruct everything you just listed.
So then it becomes what takes more political capital, one thing they’ll fight tooth and nail or ten?
If the dems had a spine they’d use their antigun capital on getting single payer passed. It would probably cut gun deaths in half alone.
At the rate hospitals are going belly up after getting drained of cash, there won’t be a health system left by the time any of this happens.
Just an FYI, you gotta add a blank line between each item if you want them to display like a list and not a giant run-on sentence. Assuming it’s like reddit, you should be able to do bullet points with an asterix and a space before each item on the list if you’re into that.
Would make your comment much more readable
Yea I wrote that in the AM without my brain having been fully awake lol fixed the formating cause that was a hot mess to read.
Turns out that some random Lemmy poster actually has better answers than both of the major political parties.
Pay people more. Make it really fucking hard to be a billionaire anywhere in the world.
hard to be a billionaire
You’re gonna need to tax people’s income for real. Comically that’s the one thing from the 1950s USA they don’t wanna MAGA. They want the racism, the sexism, the authoritarianism, the mcCarthyism … but not the taxation that built roads.
I’m voting for this guy in November.
Pay teachers more
Build more schools to reduce class sizes
Make sure all kids have access to school food 3 meals a day
Single payer healthcare
Increased mental healthcare facilities and workers so kids don’t turn to suicide
Improve safety nets
End the war on drugs
End for profit prison system
End qualified immunity
Civilized countries only have most of those and don’t have the gun problem. It seems like you can get by with just a smart subset of this as a base.
Even just single payer would drastically help our citizens health
Public all day preschool and early childhood interventions. Retrain doctors to take people’s conditions seriously and how to properly diagnose and give prescriptions.
Absolutely! Add in maternity/paternity leave that allows the parents to bond with their child for at least 6 months.
Ending the war on drugs doesn’t. I disagree
Sorry. It’s the exact opposite. Here in Australia we have a serious meth problem and we are full of assholes who are incredibly toxic and drugged up. Ending the war on drugs just makes addictive drugs even more accessible, so people are more likely to try them and encourage others to do so
Highly addictive drugs should not be legalized, and it certainly isn’t the reason for school shootings and such
What protects us is gun laws, and you guys need stronger ones
The war on drugs is a euphemism. Ending It doesn’t mean stop drug legislation, it means stop putting parents in jail for 10 years and putting their kids in care because they smoked weed and the kid accidentally told a cop when the cop visited their school and told them if they didn’t rat out their parents something worse would happen.
Correct. The majority of our prison is non violent drug offenders, who lose their children, which end up in bad situations…which cause some of them to turn to gangs for that family role. It’s a cycle that feeds violence, and the most fucked up part, is it drastically effects minorities more than anyone else.
They already changed that didn’t they?
I was in denver 2 weeks ago, and didn’t seem like anyone was going to jail for cannabis…
It didn’t stop gun violence.
Gun violence has very little to do with drug legalisation. It seems like people are just tacking it on as something they want, but it seems fairly dishonest, especially since you guys are getting a lot of mass shootings at schools and such which clearly aren’t related. It might only reduce the number of smaller shootings
Better gun control is the primary factor that stops gun violence in most countries. At this time, everyone in US treats them like toys and fashion accessories. So when someone is getting bullied or having a shitty week, its very easy for them to snap and react. Here in Australia, they can’t easily react by grabbing a gun.
We pulled the majority of them out of circulation for a reason… And it worked
You in Australia did not have anywhere near the firearms we have in civ hands. Even then, the forced confiscation you did only 60% turned in their firearms. You know what %60 leaves here in the states? Over 100 million firearms in civ hands.
The drug wars target mainly minorities which cause parents to go to jail, and kids to turn to gangs. It absolutely has an effect on our gun violence. Which the mass majority of our violence comes from is gang related, not random shootings like you hear in the news.
This isn’t a hard concept to understand imho.
I agree, the amnesty didn’t turn in ALL firearms. That’s completely missing the point
HOWEVER… The entire point of the amnesty, is to make it illegal for ownership of certain firearms, make them illegal to resell, etc., but you give people incentive to give up and make money from the ones they shouldn’t own
Over time, you end up with far less guns in circulation.
That’s what happened here in Australia.
You might still have a huge amount of firearms, but the aim isn’t to solve the problem overnight. But, it saves a huge amount of the problem immediately, and over time, it solves the issue…
It works… It worked for us. You’re playing the short game.
You’re trying to argue that unless the solution is 100%, it isn’t worth pursuing.
No, but we have some of the most effective protection against shootings in the world. So it would be silly to ignore a working solution. We don’t have a lot of the things on that list
HOWEVER… The entire point of the amnesty, is to make it illegal for ownership of certain firearms, make them illegal to resell, etc., but you give people incentive to give up and make money from the ones they shouldn’t own
The issue is the antigun groups are targeting rifles. You know how many people are killed by rifles a year? 1.5-2.5k, this is all rifles and shotguns combined. You know how many people are killed by AR-15s a year? 50-100…yea the weapon of choice for murder here in the states is handguns. It’s not about keeping people safe, it’s about virtue signaling to their base.
Over time, you end up with far less guns in circulation.
Pandora’s box is open here. There is no closing it
That’s what happened here in Australia.
Not really, you all now have more guns in civ hands than before the ban. Ratio wise it’s less but that’s because you have more people.
You might still have a huge amount of firearms, but the aim isn’t to solve the problem overnight. But, it saves a huge amount of the problem immediately, and over time, it solves the issue…
Unless you plan on banning knives, which kill around 3.5k a year (yes that’s correct more than all rifles and shotguns combined) then it’s not about saving lives. It’s about saving certain lives.
It works… It worked for us. You’re playing the short game.
It worked for you, because you have safety nets. You don’t have a shit ton of gangs and drugs flowing through the streets. You don’t have cartels 4 foot from your boarder. You also don’t have the population size we do.
You’re trying to argue that unless the solution is 100%, it isn’t worth pursuing.
No, I’m arguing that it’s a solution that will not work for even 5%. As I have explained above, rifles which are the targets, make up basically nothing when it comes to firearm deaths. Yet they’re the constant focus. If we’re to fix our violence issue here in the USA, we need to help get people to stop being violent first.
No, but we have some of the most effective protection against shootings in the world. So it would be silly to ignore a working solution. We don’t have a lot of the things on that list
You have some major ones on that list. You for one don’t lock up everyone who is a non violent drug offender to the point that you create broken homes which fuels gang membership. You don’t have qualified immunity either, which here in the USA, 1 in 40 of our gun deaths is by the police. (Yes you read that correctly, the police here kill on average 1k Americans a year via firearms). You have single payer healthcare, you give a shit about your citizens and have safety nets. We lack so much that it drives our citizens into poverty and creates prime circumstances for violence.
K-12 and colleges/universities are only the setting of ~12.8% of mass shootings.
Your just making speculative hyperbole about a nation a hemisphere away. Isolating any one factor as reducing crime is often near impossible. A downward trend following legislative can just as easily be attributed to other factors like a general decline in criminality over time or due to bettering economic conditions (among countless other factors).
Wow. Only 12%
Primary schools and secondary schools should be 0 lol
No one argues other. But you rebuke the notion that the war on drugs has any significance on the broader topic. Basing opinions on falsities.
In other words:
it seems fairly dishonest, especially since
schools represent a vast minority of mass killings. Not to mention your baseless assertion that violence in schools must have no relationship to the war on drugs. As if the gangs that move them don’t groom children to sell them for them.
Or do all that and ban private gun ownership. Yes amendments can be changed or removed.
Republicans: “How can we sabotage this and also make the overall situation much worse?”
Quick, mail everyone a free glok for being a valued customer of the military industrial complex. Bullets/file not included, for safety.
Summary: Previously Biden/Harris threw money at law enforcement. But, now they’re wanting more active shooter drills in schools and to throw money at virtue signaling through a task force focused on 3D printing.
Editorial: They’ll do anything but take from corporations to provide hope for the children’s future.
Edit: Most of you are idiots. Someone upvoted. Despite this being very anti-Biden/Harris, all of you follow and no one engages meaningfully. This breaks the dominant false dichotomy of supporting whatever leadership chooses because, “It’s not Trump”. Consistency would deserve more respect than mindless agreement.
Yesterday my 5 year old came home from Kindergarten and when asked about his day he said “We did a drill where we hid in our room because someone might come in and kill us”.
This is the world we live in now.
Decades ago they were hiding under desks fearing nuclear bombs. To a 5 year old, why’s it any different?
Before that some groups were assaulted for attempting to go to school. Before that there was hardly any school and instead kids worked jobs.
So this is the world we live in now? What does that really mean? It implies things are worse. They’re not worse. Just different.
This completely glosses over the periods of times, in some cases decades, where none of those things happened. The Cold War was winding down when I started school and we never did a duck and cover. I graduated the year Columbine occurred so they didn’t institute active shooter drills till after. I’m in one of the lucky few age ranges where my biggest anxiety at school was bullies. This period of school my kids are in is very much worse than when I was in their equivalent grades.
“Someone”: another young person who correctly perceives no hope for a life of dignity.
They want research done on the cost / benefits of active shooter drills, and how they can be improved. Nowhere in this does it say “Let’s do more of these drills.”
The gun stuff isn’t just about 3d printing but all emerging technologies that can be used to produce illegal firearms. They are again trying to gather information on what can be done about it.
There are also a bunch of suggestions like lock up your guns and funding for counseling and red flag laws.
I would also like to point out that one of Harris’s policies is to raise the corporate tax rate, but that’s not what this executive order is about.
Alternatively, we could at least provide a vision of a future decent enough that children couldn’t perceive the shallow lies. But, neolibs gonna’ neolib. And, you’re drinking the Kool Aid even children reject.
Working dead-end jobs for those corporations is the children’s future and they don’t want to change that.
Aww dangit
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If used properly this is a good thing. You don’t want someone who suffers from psychosis or some manic disorders with a firearm.
Obviously it really depends how it is implemented.
I agree, but I’m concerned that this might stop some folks from seeking mental health care, when they otherwise might have.
Can confirm, it does. Not for firearms, just for “who knows what other rights I’ll lose in 30 years if I’m on that list.”
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If I have to live somewhere where people can own deadly weapons. It absolutely is in the public interest to try and minimise the chances of something going wrong.
Health records are checked when applying for social security, for immigration, for insurance. I don’t necessarily agree with the fact they are for these things. But in my ideal world. The public’s right to safety comes before the right of someone to own a deadly weapon. And if they are going to do a background check they might aswell check for conditions which increase risk of fatal firearm use.
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In my opinion no one should have the right to own a firearm. But since that’s impossible in america, I’m all for restricting it.
I’m not allowed to purchase a firearm in my country because I have a disability that often causes fainting and seizures.
America has a gun problem and they are going to start blaming people who have sought medical treatment (for the children). They aren’t going to go after people who should probably have medical treatment for mental illness through rigorous screening. These kinds of policies cause people to hesitate when they should seek mental healthcare. A big example is police. They are afraid to ask help because they could lose their job. It’s a bullshit policy that does nothing to help the situation and puts blame on people who aren’t the problem.
Welcome to “bigotry 101”…o it says your trans here…denied…o you have adhd…denied… depression…denied…ptsd from a previous rape…denied.
this becomes a tunable matter to vote around. Dangle it in front of the aristocracy so they support it and then chip it away with rights.
Everything but banning guns lol.
Why would I ever take these genocidal creeps seriously? Are they going to disarm the cops and dismantle the MIC? Because that’s the root of the violence.
In Palestine right?
