The idea is that in this case everybody profits. Universal gain ≠ personal gain, even if the campaigners are included.
In the case of Vince, everybody profits because of the sustainability, BUT he has another very clear personal economic gain and that makes his intentions questionable. It would be more easily accepted if there wasn’t this clear conflict of interests.
Oh FFS you’re really going out of your way to misunderstand the issue here. Nobody is claiming that the meat industry is good. People are just voicing concerns because a rich guy is doing what a rich guy usually does: defending his own interests above the common good. It might go in the same direction for a while, sure.
What do you mean for he’s not doing it for the common good because it doesn’t show anywhere where he is “telling anyone to use his business only.”
The vegans have always “have an agenda but never the multi-billion animal agriculture” that is made of factory farms where billions of animals are exploited and slaughtered for nothing in horrid conditions where they’re crammed together in filthy dark rooms in massive structures increasing the likelihood of pandemics and antibiotic resistance many times over. Now that is truly selfish.
Even the vegans who do not own a business are often excused of being “self-serving” when advocating for more people to be ethical sustainable and healthier.
It’s like marginalized groups being called “selfish” for when they’re advocating for equal treatment in society.
Personal gain is when you yourself profit from something way more than other people do. In this case - getting boatloads of money for something that ultimately doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things.
Personal gain in the case of green lobbying is a subset of universal gain. Exactly the same as Vince’s case. It doesn’t follow the he will profit more than anyone else, as anyone else can supply meat-free food too.
Except you say that there is universal gain from allowing dishes to not contain meat. When there is not, if it isn’t even worse. So now the lowest bidder will simply give you a less nutritious meal because they care about money not the students. And this is exactly why a law like this existed. So that a catering company won’t just feed people potatoes mixed with potatoes 100% of the time.
Cool. Do you trust a random catering company to get it right for millions of students? To maintain the exact diet that’s needed to get every nutrient, at a kitchen that hires random cooks and asks them to make food for 200 people at a time?
In reality, cooking a meat based meal is easy, fast and scalable. Cooking a plant-based one and only doing that isn’t. There is a reason why laws exist - and this one exists because they were cheapening out and serving substandard meals. So they made it mandatory to at least contain some protein in the form of meat.
Meat is only cheap because of the subsidies provided to the industry. It’s expensive in environmental terms too. There are many sources of protein that don’t have either drawback.
How do green campaigners not gain from it?
The idea is that in this case everybody profits. Universal gain ≠ personal gain, even if the campaigners are included.
In the case of Vince, everybody profits because of the sustainability, BUT he has another very clear personal economic gain and that makes his intentions questionable. It would be more easily accepted if there wasn’t this clear conflict of interests.
Any company can provide meat-free food. There is no reason for schools to change their existing suppliers.
Any claim to discredit someone pushing for healthier and more sustainable meals for the children.
The meat and diary industries must be protected at all costs. They’re never self serving it must be the vegans /s
Oh FFS you’re really going out of your way to misunderstand the issue here. Nobody is claiming that the meat industry is good. People are just voicing concerns because a rich guy is doing what a rich guy usually does: defending his own interests above the common good. It might go in the same direction for a while, sure.
What do you mean for he’s not doing it for the common good because it doesn’t show anywhere where he is “telling anyone to use his business only.”
The vegans have always “have an agenda but never the multi-billion animal agriculture” that is made of factory farms where billions of animals are exploited and slaughtered for nothing in horrid conditions where they’re crammed together in filthy dark rooms in massive structures increasing the likelihood of pandemics and antibiotic resistance many times over. Now that is truly selfish.
Even the vegans who do not own a business are often excused of being “self-serving” when advocating for more people to be ethical sustainable and healthier.
It’s like marginalized groups being called “selfish” for when they’re advocating for equal treatment in society.
Personal gain is when you yourself profit from something way more than other people do. In this case - getting boatloads of money for something that ultimately doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things.
Personal gain in the case of green lobbying is a subset of universal gain. Exactly the same as Vince’s case. It doesn’t follow the he will profit more than anyone else, as anyone else can supply meat-free food too.
Except you say that there is universal gain from allowing dishes to not contain meat. When there is not, if it isn’t even worse. So now the lowest bidder will simply give you a less nutritious meal because they care about money not the students. And this is exactly why a law like this existed. So that a catering company won’t just feed people potatoes mixed with potatoes 100% of the time.
Not you’re resorting to misinformation as the whole foods plant-based diet is healthier.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11434797
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/
Cool. Do you trust a random catering company to get it right for millions of students? To maintain the exact diet that’s needed to get every nutrient, at a kitchen that hires random cooks and asks them to make food for 200 people at a time?
In reality, cooking a meat based meal is easy, fast and scalable. Cooking a plant-based one and only doing that isn’t. There is a reason why laws exist - and this one exists because they were cheapening out and serving substandard meals. So they made it mandatory to at least contain some protein in the form of meat.
Nah the whole foods plant-based diet meals will be 30% cheaper
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-11-11-sustainable-eating-cheaper-and-healthier-oxford-study
this study is about individual purchasers, not institutions.
Meat is only cheap because of the subsidies provided to the industry. It’s expensive in environmental terms too. There are many sources of protein that don’t have either drawback.
Subsidy example: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/applications-open-for-new-4-million-fund-to-support-smaller-abattoirs
Except that the law says the meals have to be nutritious to a set level. So no, they can’t do that.