“I don’t like murder, but I’m sure as hell not going to vote for the ‘less murder’ option! I’m going to keep my hands clean and help more murder happen instead.”
Not taking action is still a choice. Your convictions are sacraficed by not preventing the worse thing. In the trolley problem, not pulling the lever that saves lives is still a choice. You aren’t helping anyone by plugging your ears with your fingers. You’re only keeping your childish self-view intact. You didn’t actually do anything.
You’re stupid if you actually buy that. You need to actually consider your position, not listen to whatever stupid stuff you’ve heard. That’s such a childish stance.
Biden/Harris shrug off the rape prisons, decapitated children, bombed hospitals, etc. and publicly repeat some hasbara, then “leak” to the press that they’re secretly very angry and “working on a deal”. A few hours later they send Israel more bombs.
Trump, in contrast, would also send more US made bombs, except tweet that he’s “very happy” and the destruction is a “good deal”.
Trump would increase the amount we’re sending. He has said that Israel should “finish the job.” I’m sure you’re intelligent enough to know what effect your actions have. Figure it out. You don’t get to pretend like your hands are clean, because no matter what you do you made a choice and you’re a member of our society. You aren’t clean. Do what’s best for the people suffering, not for yourself. Being self-centered is not a virtue. It’s a flaw.
Tell me you don’t understand the influence AIPAC wields in American politics without telling me you don’t understand the influence AIPAC wields in American politics
Pull your head out of your ass. Harris has to tread carefully if she doesn’t want AIPAC to give a dump truck of money to Trump. Moreover, she has ZERO official capacity to define or enact international policy as the VP. And voting 3p increases the chance that Trump wins, and his idea of a “final solution” in Gaza will be a lot fucking closer to Bibi’s than a two-state solution, let alone a halt to the violence and apartheid. Trump’s likely to send a squadron of B-52s to Gaza and the West Bank to reduce them to rubble, then break ground on a new beachfront Trump Tower Gaza with a special land grant from Bibi.
But sure; ignore the context. Be part of the group that helps to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Let the fascists win. What could possibly fucking go wrong.
Harris already said her backing of Israel’s genocide is ironclad, and she’ll keep Biden’s bloodthirsty foreign policy intact. Trump can’t do “more genocide” because as you pointed out, AIPAC has secured every bomb they desire.
And sorry to nitpick but a two state solution is still apartheid. Everyone controlled by Israel deserves full citizenship.
I don’t think your perception of the dichotomy between the presidential candidates in this election - of which there are two, and only two - is fully moored in reality.
And that statement right there is how I know this is an absolutely useless debate. I’m willing to bet you think China and Russia are shining pillars of virtue, as the successor states to the Marxist ideals, or some such drivel.
I’m not going to stop trying to get people to vote for the only viable candidate in our country that can prevent Trump from winning and turning this place into a theocratic fascist kleptocracy. If you can’t/won’t understand that and get behind that goal, I honestly have nothing constructive or friendly to say to you.
The world is more than a single issue. Trump getting elected would be catastrophic in a whole fucking lot more ways than just Gaza, but he’d absolutely make that shitshow worse too. If I could wave a magic wand and stop what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians, get rid of their ossified and entrenched leadership, and have the actual people who just want to fucking live figure out how to do that together, I would. But I can’t. You can’t either. Get off your fucking high horse.
Tell me you don’t understand FPTP spoiler effect without telling me you don’t understand FPTP spoiler effect.
What am I spoiling? Either my candidate wins or one of the ethnic cleansing candidates wins. (I’m against ethnic cleansing)
“I don’t like murder, but I’m sure as hell not going to vote for the ‘less murder’ option! I’m going to keep my hands clean and help more murder happen instead.”
Not taking action is still a choice. Your convictions are sacraficed by not preventing the worse thing. In the trolley problem, not pulling the lever that saves lives is still a choice. You aren’t helping anyone by plugging your ears with your fingers. You’re only keeping your childish self-view intact. You didn’t actually do anything.
There is no lesser genocide. Israel is getting everything it wants currently, from Democrats.
You’re stupid if you actually buy that. You need to actually consider your position, not listen to whatever stupid stuff you’ve heard. That’s such a childish stance.
Yeah there is a difference.
Biden/Harris shrug off the rape prisons, decapitated children, bombed hospitals, etc. and publicly repeat some hasbara, then “leak” to the press that they’re secretly very angry and “working on a deal”. A few hours later they send Israel more bombs.
Trump, in contrast, would also send more US made bombs, except tweet that he’s “very happy” and the destruction is a “good deal”.
Trump would increase the amount we’re sending. He has said that Israel should “finish the job.” I’m sure you’re intelligent enough to know what effect your actions have. Figure it out. You don’t get to pretend like your hands are clean, because no matter what you do you made a choice and you’re a member of our society. You aren’t clean. Do what’s best for the people suffering, not for yourself. Being self-centered is not a virtue. It’s a flaw.
Your actions suggest you’re interested in acting like you’re against it rather than stopping it
Yes, I think it’s important to act upon my convictions. If you have a strategy to stop it please share!
Tell me you don’t understand the influence AIPAC wields in American politics without telling me you don’t understand the influence AIPAC wields in American politics
Pull your head out of your ass. Harris has to tread carefully if she doesn’t want AIPAC to give a dump truck of money to Trump. Moreover, she has ZERO official capacity to define or enact international policy as the VP. And voting 3p increases the chance that Trump wins, and his idea of a “final solution” in Gaza will be a lot fucking closer to Bibi’s than a two-state solution, let alone a halt to the violence and apartheid. Trump’s likely to send a squadron of B-52s to Gaza and the West Bank to reduce them to rubble, then break ground on a new beachfront Trump Tower Gaza with a special land grant from Bibi.
But sure; ignore the context. Be part of the group that helps to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Let the fascists win. What could possibly fucking go wrong.
Harris already said her backing of Israel’s genocide is ironclad, and she’ll keep Biden’s bloodthirsty foreign policy intact. Trump can’t do “more genocide” because as you pointed out, AIPAC has secured every bomb they desire.
And sorry to nitpick but a two state solution is still apartheid. Everyone controlled by Israel deserves full citizenship.
I don’t think your perception of the dichotomy between the presidential candidates in this election - of which there are two, and only two - is fully moored in reality.
What non-NATO sources can you cite that explain the dichotomy? I’d love to know which candidates are against ethnic cleansing.
And that statement right there is how I know this is an absolutely useless debate. I’m willing to bet you think China and Russia are shining pillars of virtue, as the successor states to the Marxist ideals, or some such drivel.
Is this your first time encouraging people to vote for ethnic cleansing? How much of your time do you dedicate to rationalizing genocide?
Wow dude you are just a barrel of laughs.
I’m not going to stop trying to get people to vote for the only viable candidate in our country that can prevent Trump from winning and turning this place into a theocratic fascist kleptocracy. If you can’t/won’t understand that and get behind that goal, I honestly have nothing constructive or friendly to say to you.
The world is more than a single issue. Trump getting elected would be catastrophic in a whole fucking lot more ways than just Gaza, but he’d absolutely make that shitshow worse too. If I could wave a magic wand and stop what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians, get rid of their ossified and entrenched leadership, and have the actual people who just want to fucking live figure out how to do that together, I would. But I can’t. You can’t either. Get off your fucking high horse.