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Young women are more liberal than they have been in decades, according to a Gallup analysis of more than 20 years of polling data.
Over the past few years, about 4 in 10 young women between the ages of 18 and 29 have described their political views as liberal, compared with two decades ago when about 3 in 10 identified that way.
For many young women, their liberal identity is not just a new label. The share of young women who hold liberal views on the environment, abortion, race relations and gun laws has also jumped by double digits, Gallup found.
Not surprised, society is failing young men hard.
Men are worse off today than previous generations, yet at every step they’re villainized. Meanwhile they see everyone else being empowered and advocated, while they get left behind and yelled at.
And tonedeaf people will see this post and think it’s men complaining that women are getting empowered, not men complaining that they’re being failed by society.
Hardly inspiring.
Edit: And so the downvoting begins, by all means keep burying your head into the sand. Who could ever know why men aren’t becoming as progressive as women, guess we will never know! Every refusal to acknowledge the issue, is cause for it to grow bigger.
Hi, I’m a teacher. The young men I see ‘villainized’ tend to make their own life harder by feeling entitled to money and status without actually trying to achieve anything. Their entitlement then causes them to act in unpleasant ways.
I don’t see many young men being treated badly simply because of their chromosomes or external genitalia.
Sounds like you’re saying that if a man goes to the bathroom and washes his hands he is villainized. After all, washing your hands is a step in a procedure.
You probably don’t mean that. Maybe you are employing hyperbole to make a point. Please explain.
Seeing as you’re a teacher, how do you rationalize less men getting into higher education? When boys are performing worse than girls in school, do you just pretend this isn’t statistically and factually happening to them so that you can continue to ignore it’s maybe the signs of a problem.
Maybe you don’t see it, because you don’t want too?
What the hell is this thread?
This article is about issues like abortion pulling more women into progressive politics.
Some sad turd had to make it about men. There’s always one.
You mean where more young men are choosing to go into the trades, where women are generally harassed out of, instead of college?
I bet there’s still plenty of young men going into comp sci, which is also famously hostile to women.
The gender ratio in compsci in my institution is around 8:2 male:female.
My software engineering major was about 15:1.
My partners software development teacher, who was also a woman, told her in respect to the men who were being hostile to her “get used to it, because it will be the same in the workplace.”
Sadly, some women are reluctant to help each other.
While there’s not enough context here, they do need to get used to it. Of course, help a student out in the current situation but the fact is they are going to experience sexism and do need to figure out how to handle it on their own or how to find any help they need.
I don’t like denigrating my fellow software engineers, but it’s a field known to be male dominated, with a stereotype of poor social skills and presence of a lot of people from more conservative cultures. I like to think most of us are neither sexist most racist but odds are most women in the field will run into it
Ah, very clever. You’re trying to paint the issue of “performing worse” as “happening to them”, as if boys are being oppressed.
Please do keep on revealing your biases in your language, I find it fascinating. Oh, and do make sure to tell all the boys and young men around that you don’t hold them accountable for their own actions, because they apparently have no power over how well they perform. I guess all those naughty girls and women are firing their filthy female mind rays at them, taking away their ability to do homework and revise for exams.
Are boys actually performing worse in school in a way that is in control of the teachers tho? Its not like teachers can chain children to books until their learn the kid has to want to learn either way.
You’re being downvoted because you’re trying to change the topic, and you’re trying to have some sort of conversation about men being left behind.
This is an article about women voting more liberal because of changing on opinions abortion, guns, and the environment.
Society isn’t failing young men hard — let’s be more specific — Republican toxic masculine rhetoric is failing young men hard. There’s a reason there is so much overlap between MAGA and Inceldom, and it revolves around the false perception of what it means to be a manly man. They stifle their own emotions, yet rage on roids, get buff, and treat women like pieces of meat and then turn around and ask, “why can’t I connect with anyone!?” Well, because drank the bullshit kool-aid of Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan and Donald Trump and jumped fully onboard with frat-bro culture.
And let me just as a relatively young white male — you have no idea. You have no idea how hard it is for women right now all the same. After all, does the reversal of Roe really impact you or me the same way? Of course it doesn’t. And another thing: All the economic woes facing men are also facing women just the same, I hope you understand.
One key factor is changing whom they idolize. Time to start idolizing the likes of Tim Walz and not Andrew fucking Tate.
I said something irrelevant, mean-spirited, or hurtful and now the downvotes only reenforce my correctness!
How is what he says irrelevant? Perhaps it shows some bitterness. But what he says is overall correct. Just look at the stats, not just in the USA. PISA results
I have seen a bunch of special programs for woman (like to get them into STEM) over the years. But not even one for men. And special help for the boys quoted above? Nope.
This is not a men vs women things, it’s about everyone getting the help etc. they need, regardless of who they are. Rich, poor, male, female: Should all not matter.
“The Earth’s atmosphere is approximately 78% nitrogen and 21% oxygen” is both a true statement, and utterly irrelevant to the subject at hand.
The topic was that society’s hostility towards women have made younger women voters identify as liberal at higher rates than previously, not how men are being oppressed/repressed/left behind/failed/whatever verb you want to use here. There are appropriate places to have that discussion; this topic isn’t one of them.
You are correct, I was missing that context.
Well you don’t see the programs to get men into the sciences because those were like societal shifts. For example, rewarding young male students who tried different things versus penalizing female students that engaged in outside the box thinking. For a more recent concrete example one can look to the field of economics. Women in economics actually face measured animus simply for their status as female.
You say you want everyone getting the help, but what I hear is a privileged class watching another class get more equal treatment or rights as somehow bringing you down.
I guess boys better start stepping up to the plate. Maybe they should smile more and talk in class.
There are special programs for both boys and girls. There just aren’t any boys-only programs.
Tbf, where I live, they’re few, far between, and not that great.
You know how programs for women and girls got started?
Women started them.
Sure, I’m talking about programs, in general. There’s money where I am, but in general, people who have it are mostly investing in Fendi bags, big trucks, private education. There are exceptions, they are even fewer and far between. We did manage to put in a Little Free Library, and I’m currently looking for a space to plan a community garden. It will take time, but the goal is creating things most of us can participate in and enjoy. I’d wanted to plan free transportation for our community, but the insurance was more than we could afford, without large, ongoing private donations. But I’m ok with smaller things that bring our community out to mingle with each other.
FYI, you need to check your little free library regularly. They end up being homes to all kind of evangelical religious shit.
You know it. And people don’t always return books, which I need to get some more together.
The only way society is failing men is by letting them get indoctrinated as boys into inceldom and alt right beliefs by social media weirdos.
You’ve been fed a picture of a past that you did not live in, where men apparently were much better off. You should question that picture, make sure somebody isn’t just blowing smoke up your ass, whether because of rose-colored glasses or something more malicious.
WW1, the Great Depression, the Dust Bowl, WW2, Vietnam… it’s hasn’t always been that great for a man. These are real things, they all happened in addition to any storybook pictures you might have in your head. Remember what our forefathers had to go through to get us here, it wasn’t all good things. It’s only fair then that we, too, have our hard times that we must face. We don’t need to tear other people down to overcome them.
Go back to 4chan.
No one’s burying their head in the sand. They’re reacting to the fact that it sounds here like you are resenting women for talking about their own oppression. It’s not zero sum my friend. We know patriarchy hates men too. This specific article just wasn’t really about that. There are other places on Lemmy that are talking more specifically about the issues you raise here, though.
It is zero sum the left does not care and the right is simply unacceptable. Maybe give parents some credit for aborting boys or something. World only needs a few of us.
men aren’t being left behind. they just don’t have as much control over people that they have no business controlling. this isn’t the persecution you think it is.
You post about hot dogs in a hamburger thread, don’t you?
I think these are delicious!
FoodPorn downvoted me though…
Do we have a c/shittyfoodporn? Because this could do numbers there.
I took a picture of it because I thought it looked so good people would love it, and want to see how delicious it looked. Instead I got asked to seek help, and called mentally deranged.
Dude, I get this so much.
I love making food. I think it’s delicious and maybe my photography skills aren’t amazing but I will share it anyways.
Nope! Not allowed unless you make nearly fake looking food with a studio set up that makes me bet it’s cold before they even take a bite and throw it away.
I got so much hate for posting a picture of god damn poutine that I truly think the food snobs deserve to starve.
Did you seek help?
In what way, in your opinion, does society fail young men harder than it fails young people in general?
Steven Miller made it a point to target young men and push them into the Alt right.
It’s a story as old as time; young men tend to enjoy fraternities/clubs where they can hang with their bros.
Are men worse off, or are women better off in comparison?
Men and women (in general) live longer and are more prosperous lives than they have for most of history. Yes, I know, rent is unaffordable. There are healthcare problems. Etc.
Crime is still historically low and lifespans are still historically high.
I’d say that makes men better off today.
Yes, I too could act like a dick and say ‘I have an issue!’
Yes, I too could respond to people saying that I’m being unreasonable by saying ‘it’s your fault!’
No, at no point am I doing anything but sabotaging myself because I feel entitled to being treated more leniently than everyone else.
Terrorism isn’t cool.
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That’s just not true, but I do see where the perception comes from. I am gen-X and raised well within peak chauvinism and toxic masculinity. Along the way, nation-wide sensibilities started to change and we are all better for it. The problem is that as we tried to right the wrongs, we as a society forgot to change the way we raised young boys. We began to raise our girls to be independent, demand respect and equality (all great things), but we forgot to stop raising our boys in a way that ties their self worth to sexual prowess, maximum aggression, ability to provide for a family, and all the other metrics that only apply to the old family centric, male dominated structures. Yes, we started to raise boys better now but change is slow and all those other boys now find themselves ill prepared and with a strong sense of entitlement to a world and way of life that simply doesn’t exist. Some boys/men adjust, but others are just throwing a tantrum. To those “men” all I can do is respond like someone raised in the old ways. “Stop being a fucking little whining removed, man the fuck up, and adapt! Show me that you aren’t worthless or shut the fuck up. Fucking baby.”
Being in the Bible Belt, I could see what you were saying, until the last bit.