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    23 days ago

    #1 is doing the show for the children: they love when it feels risqué and adult-y.

    #2 is doing the show to get parents’ trust.

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      23 days ago

      I don’t think he could do anything to mess that up at this point.

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      22 days ago

      I don’t think he remotely fits the “overly wholesome” aspect of this meme at all. He’s far more relatable to creator #1. He made shows about things that are difficult to talk about with kids. He frequently negotiated topics that others advised against. He was incredibly articulate and relatable when it came to even angry letters from ignorant parents. He communicated with children the same way he would with adults. He literally hired a working jazz club pianist to do the music and when asked what kids songs he was going to be playing, homie’s basically like, “Uh, you do you fam. YOU are the music program.” He even made episodes of his show that were FOR adults. He cared deeply about emotional health and knew how detrimental it is to your development at all stages in life. And he did this for decades as a devout and committed spiritual leader and never mentions God a single time. He knows how to be an example and I would be amazed if he were capable of hiding a sordid and deplorable existence.

      He was also an incredible debater and speaker. He does use simpler language on the show but he is very capable. Just adding that because I’m obviously biased. I met him once and my mom wrote him an angry letter. She’s always been a piece of trash but I will never forget his kindness and joy.

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        He also did that episode where he and a black guy shared a foot bath together during a time of racial tension. Mr. Rogers was how church people should strive to be like.

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          yea me too, but i suppose in a world with as many variables as ours it’s hard to find “rules” to cling on, so it’s a collective cope for that particular quirk of life lol

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      23 days ago

      …do I want to read this?

      clicks

      I don’t know why I still get disappointed when I find out someone is a shitheel.

      sigh

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        He’s completely responsible for sabotaging his own career. Difficult to work with, allergic to deadlines, and a weirdo sex pest.

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        23 days ago

        I think left is Bryke (Bryan Konietzko and Michael DeMartino), the creators of Avatar the Last Airbender.

        Right is probably that foot guy. Dan Schneider. I don’t know if he’s a pedo or not, but he’s certainly a bit creepy.

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          But Avatar doesn’t have a lot of blood or any sexual themes. While Schneider’s shows had really weird scenes putting children in sexually suggestive situations. I also don’t know anything about the creators of Avatar becoming bodyguards

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            There’s at least one sexual joke in Avatar, when Sokka is “expecting” Suki to come to his tent and Zuko comes instead.

            https://youtu.be/lgfe5JvZk80?feature=shared

            But yeah probably not bodyguards, and afaict far from retiring. Last I had heard they are trying to massively expand the Avatar universe, after walking away from Netflix for creative differences.

            I was really just trying to think of the best and worst creators from Nickelodeon.

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          Not convicted of anything, if you watch that show on Nickelodeon pedophiles then he comes out as a really good guy (to the kids, he sucks to the adults). He was the only one who offered to help Drake after he was raped and he didn’t push anything

          But his shows were sexually suggestive and involved kids so it can’t be him

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            Not surprising Schneider would have Drakes back. Drake was his cash cow. This occurred between the Amanda Show and Drake and Josh, and Peck got arrested during the latter’s run. Bell was Schneider’s bottom bitch, Peck overstepped.

            Now that I know what I’ve read, I wouldn’t be surprised if Schneider is the left, but he still gives me some vibes.

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      I’m guessing that guy from that swords cartoon on Cartoon network that got caught with CP vs. say, the creator of Samurai Jack (even though it’s simulated blood/ “oil”)

      edit: it was the creator of magiswords.

      Edit 2: I accidentally said Jackie Chan instead of Samurai Jack and NONE of you corrected me. No more drunk comments. I did really like Jackie Chans’ animated adventures, even though it was probably ccp propaganda.

      Edit 3: “C C P” not “cop”. I should’ve capitalized it. Didn’t realize the “c” looked like an “o”. Jackie Chan is a shill for the CCP. Still enjoy the old kungfu movies/ animation and think it’s funny he’s a porn star that worked in Hong Kong.

      “Since 2013, Chan has been a pro-China politician, having served two terms as a delegate to the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference, China’s political advisory body and, in 2021, expressing his desire to join the Chinese Communist Party.”

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        I mean, Jackie Chan adventures was badass. Who cares if it’s coppaganda, if anything it’s mostly just unfortunate Chan kinda fell from grace.

        Now that I think of it, I think that Mike Tyson show might have also been riffing off it.

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            That makes more sense. You know I don’t think Jackie circa early 2000 was all that pro China. I think it ends up being one of those old age changes people. Or… concussions.

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        it was the creator of magiswords.

        That’s a show I haven’t heard of in a long time lol. And rightfully so, it was so forgettable and only really existed to push a mobile game afaik. Then it just suddenly dropped off the face of the earth and now I know why.

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        They weren’t cops in Jackie Chan’s Animated Adventures, they’re like secret agents.

        Chan plays a cop in the Police Story movies, which would be interesting to look at from a copaganda angle.

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            Ah. I think Jackie Chan wasn’t really a CCP apologist/propagandist until the past ten years or so. He’s from Hong Kong - his movies are actually great to watch if you are learning Mandarin because of how simple his lines are, Mandarin wasn’t his first language. I’m not sure what changed, but being pro-CCP is a relatively new development.

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              That’s a fair point. I think he turned to the west when he needed leniency at a young age, and then then got more nationalistic as he got older. At the same time, it seems like the plan from the beginning was to retire in China, so it’s a weird situation.

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    23 days ago

    It’s almost as though people obsessed with children are more likely to commit crimes involving children. We see it with the Right all the time.

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    Hmmm… I’m not sure the references either. Granted my frame of reference are things like Adventure Time or Steven Universe and from what I can tell those show runners are amazing.

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    One made things he likes himself that happened to be for kids, but is otherwise a regular guy.

    The other one really likes kids stuff, a bit too much even.

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        I mean, other than 4chan jokes there is practically no proof of any sexual misconduct. Yes, he is a weirdo and is known to verbally abuse subordinates, but AFAIK that’s that.

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          Nickelodeon was concerned enough to offer Jeannette McCurdy a lot of money to shut her up. She doesn’t use his name, but does describe an incident where it is clearly him pressuring her into drinking alcohol in her book. What she describes is similar to what other victims have described.

          We also know that Brian Peck assaulted Drake Bell, and that almost everyone on set knew about it. There’s evidence of a culture of coercion and silence.

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        I wrote in another comment, but if you examine his life, he was NOT a conformist. My favorite thing about his unconventional style was that he knew he needed a radical music program but had enough humility to know he needed someone else to direct it (he was a very talented musician). So he found the local and famous jazz club pianist and directed him to play whatever sort of music he desired. Johnny Costa, one of my personal icons, was very confused at first because he thought his music would be far too advanced or technical for a children’s show. And if you watch the show, you will notice that he plays every single song in a unique way, every single time. Can you imagine that? Playing the same music for 30 years and almost never playing the same thing. He was an absolute master of not hitting the note that your brain expected him to play, yet still playing enough to resolve and release the tension of the melody. It really is beautiful music.

        Whoa, tangent. But seriously, MR was a rebel and the highest calibre of person that Pittsburgh has to offer.

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      If it ever came out that Mr. Rogers was a Saville, I think the internet would collapse. For sure there would be millions defending him proof or no

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    Only thing I don’t like about it is the visual representation of the villain as a cleancut man with glasses and the good guy as a short haired chubby dude.

    You know what a pedophile looks like? Literally anybody.

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      In a comic where there is one panel dedicated to the depiction of a nonce, who I agree could look like literally anybody, how would you have preferred the artist represent every type of person? Some sort of shifting miasma? A vague cloud? One of those stroke pictures where nothing is quite what it looks like? Michael Jackson’s Black or White video?

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        I think there is a specific stereotype of creepy men with swept hair who wear glasses. Fun fact, Visual Acuity does not correlate with sex crimes. Clark Kent has never had allegations against him.