Yagev Buchshtab, Alexander Dancyg, Avraham Munder, Yoram Metzger, Nadav Popplewell and Haim Perry

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    How many people did they kill this time, in order to recover dead bodies?

    Last time, they killed 120-somehing Palestinian civilians to save 2 Israeli hostages and the time before that, they killed over 100 to retrieve dead bodies.

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      Why where the hostages surrounded by 120 civilians? At what point is a civilian not a civilian anymore? If he has hostages at home? Were there any non-civilians?

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        Why where the hostages surrounded by 120 civilians

        Because Gaza is one of the densest urban areas in the world. When you level an apartment complex, you’re GOING to kill innocent people. Especially if you, like the Israeli government, consider all Palestinians Hamas and therefore do nothing to limit civilian casualties.

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        “Why do you make us do this! Oh woe to me, there is no other way to get these hostages other than to bomb a populated area. What else am I to do? pushes button How terrible that you made me do that! …now, I wonder how soon we can get some settlers over here.”

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        Because Gaza is the most densely packet place on earth. You can literally run the langth of Gaza in an afternoon and the width of it in a lunch break. Not excusing anything Hamas did/does but where are the civilians to fucking go?

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        Do you mean including the Palestinians held hostage in Israeli military prisons being physically, psychologically, and sexually tortured after being “arrested” on false or no charges?

        Because there’s literally hundreds of times as many of THOSE hostages than Israeli ones.

        Also, you’re BEYOND gullible if I think Israel won’t continue murdering Palestinian civilians after they’ve gotten the hostages. That’s not what it’s about.

        Murdering or driving away every single Gazan so they can steal more land has always been the purpose. October 7th and the hostages are just convenient excuses for them to commit the war crimes they already wanted to.

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            I obviously meant from the perspective of the genocidal apartheid regime, not myself.

            The October 7th attacks and hostage taking were beyond atrocious and my heart goes out to the families of the victims of both. The only reason I didn’t say so was because it goes without saying.

            They’re not the REAL reason that the Israeli apartheid regime is still committing crimes against humanity on a daily basis 10 months later, though.

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              So we’re in agreement then. Thank you for toning it down.

              I will point out that even saying doesn’t help. I said ‘all’ hostages and am still getting presumptive hate from others.

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                I said ‘all’ hostages and am still getting presumptive hate from others

                Probably because of your own ridiculous presumption that Israel wouldn’t keep murdering Palestinians with impunity after the return of the hostages.

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                  That’s not the presumption. The presumption is if the hostages are all released it vastly reduces Israeli excuses and support which would reduce civilian casualties to a level that at least is no longer existential.

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                    if the hostages are all released it vastly reduces Israeli excuses

                    They’ll just come up with new ones. Netanyahu is already talking about “finishing the job” more than about the hostages.

                    and support

                    Israelis are literally blockading military bases to protect soldiers credibly accused of torture-raping Palestinian hostages. They may well care about the Israeli hostages, unlike the government, but they support the genocide and as a rule don’t consider Palestinians human.

                    which would reduce civilian casualties to a level that at least is no longer existential.

                    Nope. There’s zero chance of that happening without a regime change and arrests of some of the key figures in the fascist Israeli government coalition. ZERO.

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                    if the hostages are all released

                    The problem here is that this “if” is never going to happen. Israel has killed many of these hostages in their indiscriminate attacks against Gaza, and the bodies will never be recovered.

                    If you’re using this “if” as the foundation of continuing to wage war, all you have is an excuse for a forever war.

                    The hostages are dead. Most were probably killed by the IDF. They are an excuse to commit to a campaign of extermination.

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            You risk justifying genocide otherwise.

            The only genocide over there is commited by Israel.

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        You think Palestinian lives weren’t being threatened and taken by Israeli violence before October 7?

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        Isreal was indiscriminately bombing and taking land before October 7th, all they are just more active now. The violence will only stop if Isreal gives back all the land and gives Palestinians full autonomy. Hamas are murderous assholes, but they weren’t created in a vacuum. In fact Hamas is directly supported and funded by the IDF so the only true victims in this conflict are the Palestinians civilians and the non zionest Israelis

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          This is the only thing I disagree with in your statement:

          The violence will only stop if Isreal gives back all the land and gives Palestinians full autonomy

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        The Nazis justified their attempt to exterminate the Jews by claiming that they were only defending themselves against Jewish plans to destroy Germany and its population.

        The Israelis justify their attempts to exterminate the Palestinians by claiming that they were only defending hostages from harm, and rescuing them from their captors, while bombing Gaza so severely that many hostage bodies will never be recovered, and may have already been found unrecognizable and dumped in a mass graves by IDF soldiers following various civilian massacres taking place on a regular basis.

        You understand this though. You just clearly seem to support it…