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I wonder how her kid she wrote the books for feels about her these days. Sadly, I’m sure since he ultimately grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth he thinks his mother loves him unconditionally and is sticking up for what she believes in, just like she taught him to do. What’s more sad though is the thought of him having friends his age—our age—my age who have woken up to the klaxon sirens of her hatred and criticize the mother who taught him all this. Again. I’m sure the reality is that the wealth he’s inheriting keeps him insulated from making friends who are harmed by all this, or are even aware of this harm, but I can imagine a world where he feels conflicted about that his mother has provided everything someone could want, and also knowing she’s horrible. I can’t imagine what it would be like to be in that situation.
Now for speculation time. I anticipate he will never speak out one way or the other
Maybe he’s a she now and that’s why Rowling became so toxic. Just like with Musk.
Hey, that’s a bit reductive. Elon Musk doesn’t just hate trans people because his trans daughter thinks billionaires are evil. He also hates trans people because his wife left him for a trans woman!
I’m pretty sure she’s currently facing up to 45,000 euros in fines and up to 5 years in jail over the whole Imane Khelif situation, if the French legislature decides that she was a party responsible for cyber bullying (and Musk as well).
Will she ever see the inside of a cell, even if they decide to go after her? I highly doubt it, and when she said this, she definitely wasn’t in any danger of being arrested.
But we can always dream.
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Oh no, this poor rich woman! How will she ever afford a fine that is .00007% of her net worth?!
She lives in the UK where you absolutely can go to prison for expressing hateful views.
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Expressions of hatred toward someone on account of that person’s colour, race, sex, disability, nationality (including citizenship), ethnic or national origin, religion, or sexual orientation, but not transgender status is forbidden.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_the_United_Kingdom
fucking lol
Going out of your way to specifically exclude trans people from the laws that protect all other vulnerable groups like that is some NUCLEAR bigotry!
My mind played a record scratch at the end. Just why?
What the fuck?
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“Nobody is going to jail you for your dumbass opinions. I wish they would, because that would be hilarious to me.” I wish I could say that in her face.
Can we stop giving this bitch the attention she so desperately craves?
Can people just stop fanatically Following rich idiots?
Came here to say this. Cunt should be old news, yet here she is living in minds rent free.
She is recently being sued by the Olympian she harrased online.
That really sucks for her. But why does anyone care outside of schadenfreude?
Schadenfreude is fun?
What prison is she going to go to? There is no asshole prison for “persecuted” B celebs.
This stuff is like Peterson crying he gets cancelled while he has 50 million views.
This post has made me realise my oversight. I had not added “Rowling” to my Lemmy keyword filter.
Good shout. Going right below Elon and Trump
Same here. On it.
Alleluja, you have seen the light
She is not in the threat of jail though, just there’s a possibility of losing some money.
Feels like she is trying to play a victim and implying that freedom of speech is under attack and people are jailed for opinions, when in reality it is about hurting someone.
Her tweet was in response to an anti-hate law (Hate Crime and Public Order Act) this year, where you could spend up to 7 years in prison for example, communicating in a way “that a reasonable person would consider to be threatening or abusive.” So, if charged in Scotland, she could go to prison.
Though she’s rich, so probably not.
I believe it actually is for opinions, but not in a bad way. If she had something like trigger warnings, it wouldn’t hurt anyone, but it still wouldn’t be ok. It’s not about hurting someone, it’s about spreading harmful opinions
Your statement is not correct.
Prove it. I proved the guy above me was wrong
Not really. They asserted a thing, to which you, I think, mostly agreed with them, but in an obtuse way. Within your own comment, how would “spreading harmful opinions” not be hurting someone? Where does the harm come from?
It really just comes of as the OP giving a fairly reasonable statment about JKR probably not looking at jail time, and how they think she is probably cynically using that for clout. Then you come in saying you believe it isn’t that for niche not-really-addressing-their-point reasons, which is proving them wrong on the level of say sunglasses emoji, gottem.
Lol, is that what you think you did?
Nah, dude. Arguing with an idiot is never productive.
The Harry Potter series was such a prominent part of my childhood. I remember my teacher reading the books to the class as they came out. I loved every moment and eagerly looked forward to each book release. It is truly a disappointment that someone I held in such high regard has decided that making other people feel bad is how they wish to be remembered.
JK Rowling created a magical world that has evolved and surpassed her in every way.
It’s especially frustrating because of how much it’s written to accept people who are different (as long as they aren’t fat, or a woman who speaks up, or standing against slavery and exploitation).
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There are stories I greatly enjoyed as a child that I just can’t read anymore with new context.
I remember finding out David and Leigh Eddings abused a child that ended up being removed from their care. I tried rereading their books and only a couple of chapters in there were men discussing the importance of beating a child to enforce discipline. I glossed over this as a child thinking it’s just medieval culture, but as an adult knowing that this is evidently something the authors genuinely practiced I couldn’t continue.
The fatphobia is real, but I’ve never bought the bit about the books being against Hermione’s anti-slavery stance (I assume that’s what you mean by a woman who speaks up as well). My interpretation was that Hermione was always assumed to be in the right because slavery is almost universally condemned in modern society. But she’s standing up against a system where even one of her two closest friends has been indoctrinated into it. Standing up to “others” is hard, but standing up to peer pressure is harder.
That said, the depiction of chattel slavery is of course inaccurate. Slave revolts were common, whereas the house elves want to be subservient to humans. I guess that could be marked up to house elves being a distinct species that may have been manipulated to be subservient, but that’s never explained.
For the first part, sure you could be right. Still, once the books are over and they become adults, they don’t do anything about it. I think Hermione goes on to become the minister of magic or something, but she doesn’t try to change the system. This is presumably because Rowling thinks wanting to chang the system is childish and wrong, but that’s just a guess.
As for the latter, no the house elves don’t all want to be slaves. We know Doby at least didn’t want to be. Just because Rowling wrote in a character after the complaints came it that is an elf who’s entire purpose is about being owned doesn’t undermine that at least some don’t. It also doesn’t even begin to discuss the indoctrination behind this and if that’s acceptable.
The hero children also recognize the mistreatment of other intelligent magical creatures is wrong too, such as the centaurs or goblins. Again, they are made to not address this after the war, and also almost no one in the society seems to care. These themes are everywhere in the books, yet any time anyone tries to change the system they’re mocked.
Hermione got involved in house-elf welfare as an adult and was successful. I am not sure where that is covered, I think maybe Cursed Child? I don’t know much about what happens after the series is over, so I can’t speak to that in detail.
Ah, OK. Yeah, I also don’t know a whole lot about what happened, but I guess that’s better than I expected. Still, not working to change the system like you would hope with how passionately she was against it. I don’t really recall all that she does after, but just remember it wasn’t radical.
Plenty of activists, even those with radical opinions, take that approach. They have a long term goal in mind, but to get to that goal they try to make incremental changes with the power they have.
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The artist and the art are intrinsically intertwined. Lovecraft’s work (to use a less immediate example) has all of his fears, including racism, built into the bones of the stories. Skillet is fundamentally culty Christian types, once you understand that their more normal music takes on a creepy meaning.
It’s possible to pull unintentional meaning from a work, we do it all the time, but that doesn’t mean the original intent should be disregarded. That idea is practically anti-art imo.
I had never seen “separate the art from the artist” so much until Joanne opened her stupid fucking mouth. Its funny to me that dropping brands for supporting bad things was so easy for people until it was Harry Potter at stake. As someone that never got into it in the first place, it kinda pissed me off.
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Using that phrase in the context of parent and child is wild. You’re weird.
I just don’t understand why someone would spend this much time trying to make a small group of people miserable. Doesn’t she have better things to do with her time?
JK Rowling somehow turned into one of those weird ladies on Nextdoor who has nothing better to do.
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It may just be easier to get rich if you’re fucked in the head already. Risk avoidance? That’s the sign of a smart person, but most ways for a poor to become a rich are far more likely to fail than succeed. Empathy? Healthy, but that’d stop you from stepping on people on the way up.
Especially as a writer, idk about other countries but the USA’s literacy levels are abysmal (half the population reads at a 10 year old’s level or worse!), so an idiot would have the largest audience.
I just don’t understand why someone would spend this much time trying to make a small group of people miserable
She explains why here. Quite long, not very logical or convincing.
The black mold is truly rotting her brain to the point of no return.
JK, trans people in the UK are closer to being sent to prison that you, a bigoted shitlib billionaire.
Claiming things does not make them true.
Yeah, everyone knows you have to at least say it in a funny way while waving a stick around.
Spoken like a privileged ass person who knows she’s not going to jail and that the punishment will be monetary at worst. Can’t stand people like this who act hard about jail like it’s no big deal.
I wish her all the happiness she deserves
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Hasn’t stopped Tate. Something tells me an actual billionaire is going to have phone privileges.
Is Andrew Tate even in prison? Last time i was in Bucharest(excluding right now), i heard he was even able to leave the country
Its almost as if there is no justice for rich people, eh?
I know some romanian presidents got into prison, but im not sure they were rich
Also, as far as i know, its only delayed, not forgiven
So she supports laws that would make transphobic views a criminal offense? Didn’t take her for such a progressive thinker.
Not just transphobic: Intersex-phobic and libelous
It is not clear if she is intersex btw, the whole situation was a lot of people on both sides jumping to conclusions.
you didn’t want her to be happy before she was a transphobe?
Maybe they were only aware of Rowling once her transphobia came to light?
come on dude, everyone knows harry potter
Everyone knows a popular book series.
Not everyone knows, or even cares about the author.
Lol, that might be me, almost. I knew the movies and books existed (I think I have watched one), but I kinda doubt I remembered the writer’s name. Just few years ago I made a friend who critisized the writer about her transphobic views and that’s kinda how I got to know her😅
(I have to admit, I’m bad at watching movies/series or reading literature and just few years ago I tried to start reading literature systematically.)
Is that the guy who runs the ceramics shop down the road?
Yeah, he sells great jars. Check them out sometime.
Harry who?
Considering whats in her books I always knew she was at least a tad bit bigoted
What’s in there?
There’s the Gringotts bankers being a grotesque antisemitic stereotype straight out of Nazi propaganda, there’s the racist caricature character names, there’s the fact that only one character in the entire wizarding world is against slavery and she drops the subject forever after everyone makes fun of her for it, probably other shit I’m not remembering right now…
There’s the Gringotts bankers being a grotesque antisemitic stereotype straight out of Nazi propaganda
If it’s like in the movies this sound like a stretch, pretty much every fantasy has something like this
there’s the fact that only one character in the entire wizarding world is against slavery
Isn’t dobby being freed from his slavery and help herry one of the main event in the story?
In my head canon: Dobby was killed by the author because he was the one elf to reject slavery.
“uppity little fucker!” – Rowling’s internal monologue
Why would you think that? Dobby is one of the best characters in the story, he was freed from slavery by Harry and he gave his life to save him
Normal fantasy stuff like species representing racial stereotypes and slavery (yeah I don’t get why it’s “normal” in fantasy, she also did it worse then most others)
I would go so far as to say that most fantasy works that have slavery have either a “The world is an awful place everywhere, at all times, in all things” tone, or a “Slavery is BAD” tone. Whereas Rowling went for “Aktually, the slaves are happy and you shouldn’t try to help them”
So are you making an argument against all fantasies?
Shaun made a good Video about the bigotry and liberal naivety of the Harry Potter series (including some pointings to her other works)
She’s always been a “new labour” type. There were certainly people who disliked her before she went full TERF.
I personally assumed she already was, and I don’t actively wish happiness on people who already experience it. But that’s just me
Maybe just didn’t care one way or another. It’s just a joke, though.
Honestly I wouldn’t mind spending time in billionaire jail either.
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So at the risk of being down voted to hell…
What exactly is it that she’s done? I’ve mostly lived under a rock on this one, but from the little I heard about it, her point is basically “trans women look like women but are biologically speaking still male, as their genetics hasn’t changed. They can’t have babies, for example”. Please correct me if I’m wrong here.
In any case, if I’m right about her point then is that really anti trans? That isn’t being against trans, it’s stating a biological fact.
I’m guessing there must be much more than that for people to be so pissed with her
Here’s a decent recent-ish review. She’s said worse than your example, and understand that the example you gave is already kind of a crappy opinion/statement of understanding. https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/jk-rowling-trans-twitter-timeline-b2326256.html
Of late, she’s recently been in the news for claiming an Algerian Woman’s Boxer (Imane Khelif) who won Gold at the Olympics this year was a man, despite her being a cis woman. Most of her claim comes from Imane’s build and looks being more masculine and some dubious reports from a discredited Russian boxing council. Her comments (plus Elon Musk having the same opinion) lead to Imane getting harassed and forced the IOC to have to intervene and confirm that she’s allowed to compete and that the claims are baseless. Imane is suing them in France over it.
Sorry, the example I gave is not an opinion, that is just plain biology. I have nothing against trans people, don’t care, everyone can live their own lives and find happiness. If transitioning makes you happy, then by all means, go.
However, it is a cosmetic change, your genes do not change. You don’t M2F and suddenly start menstruation because you don’t have the plumbing and right now that’s not something any doctor can fix. Who knows, maybe 20 years down the line we can make those changes at the genetic level and install plumbing and all, awesome, then you’ll M2F for real and be an actual woman. Until then, though, you’re trans, not a woman. Same goes for F2M trans, afaik you don’t get a working penis because you lack the required plumbing for that.
I’m not trying to be a dick, not at all, it’s just reality of our current abilities in the medical field. It also doesn’t make any trans person less, we’re all the same, we’re all flawed humans with good, normal and bad parts. Being trans is neither good nor bad, it’s just part of your life
it is a cosmetic change, your genes do not change.
Nobody is claiming otherwise, but “womanhood” itself is not defined by genes alone. Reiterating those points isn’t countering any real argument, it’s just signaling bigotry. “I accept trans women even though they aren’t real women” is not the accepting statement you pretend it is. Jkr started with the exact same rhetoric, and now she’s calling an Olympian who was born and raised female a man. But by all means, double down because you feel you’re technically correct and see who comes to your defense.
That is the point though, a lot of people ARE claiming otherwise, and if you say what I just said, people respond like you just did.
I didn’t say that to insult or make anyone feel any less, I said it just to state a simple fact that quite a few people deny for… Reasons? When hearing facts become bigotry for you, you’re on the wrong side of the argument, we’re living in a real world. I’m not saying that these facts make trans people any less, you do.
a lot of people are claiming otherwise
Citation needed.
When hearing facts becomes bigotry for you
Yeah I know facts don’t care about my feelings, but it’s not the facts, it’s what you imply when you say them. Nobody saying 13/50 does so in an attempt to address social inequity, they say it to dogwhistle racism.
I’m not trying to be a dick
Fooled me.
Yeah that’s the typical reaction to this but tell me honestly, is anything I said wrong, a lie, twisted truth or anything like that?
There is nothing wrong with being trans but for some reason when anyot states a very simple basic biological fact, you people go nuts. “Trans blood is red”, does that statement make me transphobic or a dick too?
This “we can’t deal with simple facts” behavior is what turns a lot of people away from supporting LGBTQ+ you got all my support, hell, I’m in one of those letter myself, but I also live in the real world where facts matter.
Please stop being weird. Focusing on this biology and genitalia garbage is weird and transphobic, and completely unwarranted and uncalled for. What you said was rude. I didn’t even call you a transphobe.
I don’t get what you being LGBTQ+ or making these insensitive equating statements that nobody asked for is meant to accomplish aside from harassing me further and trying to “other” trans people.
I don’t focus on anyone’s biology unless it’s in a comment thread where it’s kind of the point.
I’m only saying that stating basic facts isn’t thans phobic. If I say that an African American man has a darker skin color than a white man, that is a fact too. YOU are the one taking offence to thst, acting as if it’s a problem, I don’t. I don’t give a shit about skin color, or genitalia, or what people do with their genitalia. Live and let live. It’s just that in this thread we’re talking about this subject, and I just mentioned it because in these discussions a lot of people (you included) go nuts of anyone brings up actual facts, and that is a problem.
Trans people are awesome, just like non trans people. They’re no different from your or I except they like to be the opposite gender and they work hard to get that done and feel better about themselves. Good, awesome, I wish you the best. Just don’t claim you now suddenly start menstruating, as I’ve seen more than once because then when anyone goes “eeeehhhh, well…” people like you get angry saying we need to keep our facts to ourselves.
You seem very laser-focused and sure of your facts about trans women. As a trans woman, your argument is that I can’t… menstruate with a biological vagina? I guess that means postmenopausal women aren’t women or something? I fail to see your point. Also, I don’t understand what black people have to do with this?
I’m not here to educate you further. You’ve made wild claims about my views and have only doubled down since catching a ban for your comments. You’re like “but I have a black friend” but with trans women like me.
You asked what JK did that was wrong, we told you, and you went off the deep end about genetics and genitalia. All because you gave an insensitive example that you took as a personal critique when I called it out.
The problem is that these “facts” you’re talking about aren’t in dispute, yet people like you and Rowling are always the first to bring up genitalia. It’s creepy and rude.
MtFs don’t claim they menstruate or get pregnant, and FtMs don’t claim to produce semen…yet y’all never fail to insist that we do. So when you insist on making a counter-argument to an argument we’re not making, it comes across as if you do have an issue with us but can’t find a valid place to point those feelings. That’s why everyone is calling you a dick.
is anything I said wrong,
Yes. There is no suggestion of Khelif being a M2F trans athlete.
I never said that
You asked to be corrected so I am doing so.
You said
her point is basically "trans women look like women but are biologically speaking still male
JK Rowling’s point is incorrect when directed towards Imane Khelif because the labels Trans or M2F have never applied to her.
It’s not a basic biological fact, because biology isn’t that basic. It gets really complicated, and there’s new research happening all the time, including about trans people.
For instance, did you know there are multiple biological differences between a trans woman and a cis man? Certain brain structures in a trans woman more closely resemble cis women than cis men, and that’s even before any kind of transition.
Also, trans women will often have surgery and take HRT to have the same hormones as a cis woman in order to change secondary sex characteristics. Really, one of the few biological changes we can’t make is to chromosomes themselves.
And even ignoring all that, being trans often results in gender dysphoria, which is a mental condition. Imagine someone says they have bipolar disorder, and your response being “yeah, and you’ll always have bipolar disorder. That’s just a fact, get over it.”
I don’t think that’s exactly what you’re doing, but there’s a way to talk about the realities of being trans that also shows you are trying to be supportive and not dismissing someone’s struggle with their identity. And that’s why JK Rowling gets hate, because she tends to be on the dismissive, terf-y, ‘you aren’t real women and never will be, get over it’ side
https://www.vox.com/culture/23622610/jk-rowling-transphobic-statements-timeline-history-controversy
It’s ugly and has been going on for a long time now.
Fuck.
What do you mean 2018 was a long time ago now? Wasn’t it just yesterday?
