I mean, about fucking time, jesus. People who are from a terrorist state and support the war cannot have residence in a neighbouring country. That’s a national safety problem right there.
Like most of people from Turkey, Israel, Saudi Arabia and Egypt?
Not sure why you are getting down voted. I thought japanese intermittent campa in US were unpopular and shouldn’t you apply the same logic here? I get Russia being unpopular but why hate on random citizens who are trying to escape the situation and it isn’t even certain if they support the regime.
They asked them if they supported the war and thought Ctimea belonged to Russia. That’s how they screened. I’m originally from Russia, and I fully support this initiative. Those Russians who support the war can go back to Russia and live under Putin if they love him so much.
You haven’t read the article, have you?
Why read the article when you can make inaccurate assumptions and then removed about it?
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Did you even read the comment i’m replying to?
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This was an IQ test.
the message here is ambiguous. are those 1164 arbitrary bela/russians or they’re actual threats that happened to be bela/russian. that being said, if one thinks we should just kick people out because they were from the wrong country, just know y’all are becoming Nazis. this shit is scarier than you think. now that the precedent of kicking them out has been set, what’s the next line?
If only there was a news story that provided additional information on why those individuals were selected out of the ~58,000 Belarusian and ~16,000 Russian citizens living in Lithuania.
They were being questioned whether they support war, how the war started, what Crimea belongs to, thoughts about the soviet union.
If they’re moronic enough to not lie, their temporary permit is no longer extended.
You make it sound like they all have just one opinion, but some lie and some don’t.
Yeah, the ones that don’t lie get their temp visas revoked.
facepalm There are pro-Ukrainian ones there, lots of them.
Yes and they haven’t been removed.
Sure, videocalling with one right now. That’s not what I’ve been discussing, I was highlighting the suboptimal wording that suggested there were none.
I’m confused about what your confused about. They were asked if they support the war, if they don’t support the war then by default they are Pro Ukrainian. Everything else is just about degrees of support.
Why let the propaganda into your home? If every nation did this it would increase pressure back in Russia. If they are actively attacking an innocent state then why should their people get a vacation?
This is about Russians living elsewhere not on vacation
Russian’s living elsewhere but actively stating they support Russia, they like Russia so much we’re letting them go back.
now that the precedent of kicking them out has been set, what’s the next line?
Just so you know that is called the slippery slope fallacy.
Just because one person did thing x and then did thing y, and think y was bad. It does not mean that everyone who does thing x inevitably is going to do thing y
You have to provide a little more evidence than the Nazis did it.
We have been “nazi” for a long time. All states and nations are rooted in nationalism and violence.
After wwii plenty of nazis who switched side were welcomed by the allies to help in the cold war
That seems bad
Can’t say I particularly blame them. Russia keeps using Russians living in the area as an excuse to invade their neighbors.
So basically the same reasoning the US had for throwing all their Japanese people into concentration camps during the second world war. Guess it’s ok to be racist now as long as it’s towards people of Russian descent.
Yeah if you’re retarded it’s the same logic. they’re being told to go back to their own country or be deported. Very different to being intervened in a camp. They’re Russian nationals, not “of Russian descent”; and certainly not Lithuanians.
There’s a small difference between saying
“due to repeated wars by our neighbor explicitly using the presence of their citizens in foreign soil to justify annexation, we’re revoking temporary residency of their foreign nationals and deporting them. Return to your home country or go elsewhere.” And “Citizen or not, once a jap always a jap, due to our beef over Pacific imperialism we’re taking your property and imprisoning you in this concentration camp”
That small difference is one is being said by the government to justify its actions, and the other is said by someone generations after the act was done, to specifically highlight the racism.
The actual statements produced by the American government would have sounded a lot like your first quote, and the Lithuanian forced deportation could also be summarized as “once a Russian, always a Russian”
I’m literally saying this as a visa holder / residence permit holder in my country of residence right now. When it was issued me, it was made very clear that my status in the country was a privilege that could be revoked at any time for a myriad of reasons. Now, “repeated wars of aggression by your home country with the specific excuse of controlling territory occupied by you” wasn’t EXPLICITLY listed, but I’d be shocked to retain my status in those circumstances.
I’m not their citizen - as of yet I haven’t started attempting to be one. Describing myself even as “from” here would be misleading. "Once a _____ always a ______” doesn’t even apply - I’ve never tried to be anything BUT a ______??
If article was “Lithuania strips citizenship and rights from Russian born naturalized residents” I’d be concerned. Instead, article is “Lithuania deports small fraction of its Russian and Belarusian expats identified as active threat during wartime”. Which is actually surprisingly restrained.
Your post reminded me of this clip from a Charlie Chaplin talkie.
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1_ If the US did something like that, they must be criticized and punished in trials, nobody with a brain denies that. 2_ Just because the US did a bad thing doesn’t mean Russia is free to do it too. 3_ Whataboutism won’t change the fact Russia is a criminal state.
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Yes, the US paid reparations to the Japanese for their racist policy against them. I’m pointing out what they did was racist and shitty, just like what Lithuania is doing is racist and shitty.
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I’m not arguing for Russia’s invasion, I’m arguing against forced deportation of Russian people from Lithuania.
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Whataboutism is using one evil to justify another evil. I’m using one evil to HIGHLIGHT another evil. In fact, bringing up the war in Ukraine to justify deporting Russians in Lithuania is Whataboutism.
That’s a lot of words to say “I didn’t read the article so I don’t know why the Russian invasion of Ukraine is related to this subject”.
I’m saying the Russian invasion doesn’t justify deporting Russians living in Lithuania for no other reason, just like how the war with Japan didn’t justify putting Japanese people in concentration camps.
The Russian government are using Russians living in neighboring countries as an excuse to invade them, but it’s not like they wouldn’t have invaded Ukraine if there weren’t any Russians there. It’s obviously a pretense, and has nothing to do with the ACTUAL Russians living in Lithuania.
It’s okay, I’ll read it again for you. Won’t take long to get there since the second paragraph says this:
The rejections follow the introduction of a mandatory questionnaire … [including] questions on the Russian war in Ukraine and whether Crimea belongs to Kyiv.
This suggests that they were chosen for providing answers in line with Putin’s batshit fantasy of the new Russian empire.
1% of Russian and Belarusian nationals living in Lithuania had their visas revoked. This is not a round up all the russkies and put them in a camp. This is a this one person out of 100 has to leave.
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They’re Russian and Belarusian nationals. Not Lithuanians of Russian descent. And it’s only a fraction of the Russian and Belarusian nationals in the country. So they must have a reason to deport them. They’ve probably been found spreading propaganda or have links to the Russian KGB.
And they are being deported back to their home country. Not being send to a interment camp. Every country does that with foreigners who are a threat to the national security.
The way I read the article was that all Belarussian and Russian applicants for renewals of visas / residency were rejected.
Edit: the US visa rejection rate is around 15%. This really doesn’t seem like news at all… After reading some other sources on this topic, it seems that it would have been only around 8% of applications, So yeah, seems you are correct. I stand corrected. Seems like this is barely worth an article in that case, countries reject visas all the time for arbitrary reasons…
You’re being a twat.
What a spectacular logic! Marvellous!
Now I can freely fart in your face, because some Aztec guy tripped a child back in 1498.
You are truly one of the big thinkers of our times. Rest now, legend. Sit and let the complacency flow through your body. You did a brain thingy and everyone is impressed.
except I’m explicitly saying that we recognize Japanese internment as racist and bad, and should also recognize mass Russian deportation as racist and bad.
Read my comment, then read your comment again. It doesn’t even make sense. I’m not saying the US invaded people so Russia should too, I’m saying it was wrong to discriminate against the Japanese for being Japanese, and it is still wrong to discriminate against the Russians for being Russian.
That’s not what is happening here, you are comparing apples and oranges
This is how racism begin
Baltic States are Nazi states. What a surprise!
It’s okay, not everybody needs to understand what such big words as “nazi” or “state” means, little buddy. You’ll get there.
Oh look, Nazi supporter!
Do you think we’re in a kindergarten or something?
“No, you’re a nazi!”You definitely are.
No, you are
Do you practice being this stupid or does it come naturally?
No point arguing with Nazis.
No it’s OK, I don’t mind. Happy to argue to argue with brain broken mentally undeveloped Nazis.
I didn’t know that Baltic states were, actually, Russian oblasts.
Russia is Russia, Russia’s neighbors are Russia, Russia’s neighbors’ neighbors are Russia. I am Russia, you are Russia and the world is at peace.
Or else.
If you’re not Russian you are terrorists and are to be invaded. If you are Russian then you have to go fight the non-russians who are terrorists, for not mean Russian.
