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    Even if the fractions you provided are accurate, they don’t speak to the qualitative benefit of educating a population. This seems to be a problem with conservatives, y’all are only concerned about quantitive measures.

    What is the qualitative risk of an educated population?

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      I am not a conservative wtf… my body of work speaks for itself. What are you basing this clown take on?

      they don’t speak to the qualitative benefit of educating a population.

      This is benefit in the room with us right now?

      All I see is increasingly improvised and indebted population, working longer hours, getting less benefits… people are not forming families. People can’t afford rent.

      Now show me this benefit you are talking about, dear!

      What is the qualitative risk of an educated population?

      Debt slavery which solid part of millennials is currently suffering.

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        You may not be a conservative, but you are in their community and share a stance with them on this issue so pardon the generalization but it’s still true.

        “This is benefit” is not grammatically correct. Even if it was I have no clue what you’re getting at. Do you not know what a qualitative benefit is?

        “Increasingly improvised” also makes no sense. I agree people cannot afford things, so it makes no sense to paywall knowledge.

        What benefit would you like to see?

        I think you’re arguing against the status quo, which I am too. But I’m not sure if English is a second language for you or not which may be affecting the efficacy of our conversation.

        My apologies, could you please clarify?

        My point being that it is ridiculous to withhold knowledge from the population. Ignorance is a detriment to society. Just because one generation did not dramatically improve when it was less paywalled doesn’t mean knowledge isn’t worth our society investing in.

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        All I see is increasingly improvised and indebted population, working longer hours, getting less benefits… people are not forming families. People can’t afford rent.

        Not every job requires a college degree, but since we have made it available to anyone with a pulse, employers are pushing for them even when they provide no value. I have seen a stupid job posting for a master’s degree for a 20-an-hour job. The degree isn’t required for a license or some other practical reason.

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          , but since we have made it available to anyone with a pulse

          Who is this “we”? Are you owner of a company? Because I am not, I made not such decisions. Did you you?

          Employers start pushing for this shit starting 40 years ago and people respond as manufacturing jobs go eroded. so THEY made it a requirement for secretary needing an English major… trying getting that job with out a BA lol

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            We, as in the collective America. We voted for the people who decided to make loans available to everyone.

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              Americans have marginal impact on any policy fed government pushes.

              Colleges collude with industry to create debt slaves here though

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      If we’re talking about altering society on a mass scale, you’re damned right I care about measurable outcomes.

      I value freedom. I value economic consent. If you’re going to use centralized power to forcibly trade me something else for a loss of those two, the the other thing needs to be measurable.

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        I wasn’t talking to you.

        Who’s forcing you to be educated/uneducated?

        You’re missing the part where the current system effectively forces the poor to remain uneducated.

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          You were characterizing what I value, as a conservative. I’m agreeing; I’m not interested in “qualitative benefits”, that are not also quantifiable. Use of government power to alter the world must be justified with measurable metrics.

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            The problem with your viewpoint here is knowledge is inherently qualitative and therefore cannot be quantified.

            Government successfully provides other qualitative services, knowledge is but one (or should be)