Librewolf, but I’d argue it’s more of a Firefox/web debloater reason. No pocket, no VPN ads. I would have said that the only issue is that it is a pain to update, but they added a windows updater and software repos, so I would almost recommend it over stock firefox for normies.
And I use tor to search stuff that contains sensitive data like my location… Or when a website is blocked
This is the argument I keep using for why people should use Linux more. The fact you have to run updater software for each piece of software is so stupid. It’s a horrible solution to a poorly designed problem. On Linux I just tell my package manager to update everything and it takes care of it all. There’s no need for the user to be handling all of that, and it also shouldn’t have to update in starting the application because that’s when the user wants to use it, not wait for an update.
(For reference: it’s the same thing as on your phone where it tells you the number of things that need updated and you just tell it to update whenever you feel like it.)
That’s a great point, but Linux Mint hasn’t a repo for Librewolf in a long time, meaning it was only available through Flatpak. It’s not a big issue, but it does break keepassxc, and is a pain considering the drama Debian got over it
Last time I distrohopped, this was actually one of my main benchmarks. If I couldn’t install Librewolf in under a minute, I picked a different distro.
I hope your benchmark was on something else than a live usb /j
But now most distros only need to install through the package manager, or at worse add the repo
Windows has had winget for a while now. While not as good as Linux version, I think it’s fine enough for those who must still use Windows for their gaming. 🤔
There’s like three package managers for Windows and none of them have gained enough traction to really be considered the de facto.
Also, Microsoft stole AppGet from its developer and didn’t pay them anything.
Just FYI, gaming isn’t a reason to stay anymore really. I’ve only had minor issues since switching.
For general gaming for sure! Retro gaming is even better on Linux! I am one of those that loves modding their games though, and the tools aren’t there just yet. With Nexus beginning beta for Linux support, I am hopeful that I will be able to switch over soon enough. :)
Yeah, that’s true. Modding does suck. KSP has good Linux support for modding, but I think that’s the only one that I haven’t had to do manually. Manual modding is not hard though, but it does take more time.
I haven’t had any issues running modded games but if I do normally only mod unity games
Multiplayer doesn’t typically work in Proton :(
Yes it does. I’ve been playing Squad, Hunt, and The Finals recently. I’ve also played CS, Overwatch, Tribes 3, and some other multiplayer games too. It almost always works, unless they want you to install a rootkit to play, like Valorant.
it is a pain to update, but they added a windows updater
the linux package manager in question
I mean an updater on the windows (the os). Sadly forced to use windows at work, but at least I got my Librewolf.
UniGet GUI
it’s not in the arch repos 💀
It’s in the AUR
everything is in the aur
edit: i use the aur package already, but you have to acknowledge aur packages just aren’t the same
but it’s available as flatpak
slow
flatpak has the same or negligibly worse performance than a regular package.
Chocolatey ftw. I was already eyeing it when I jumped to LW so I did the setup for choc and now I have most of my software being managed through it. It’s not perfect but on a schedule, it’s as set-and-forget as it can be for Windows.
I guess with the exception of using the MS Store, but ew.
Was using scoop as I prefer it’s contained aspect. However, now I 'm on Linux, and my work blocked the repo’s so…
Ooh, I’ll take a look at that =)
And as a more advanced user, I need nightly (for custom compiled addons), and just configured everything relevant to be as close to LibreWolf as possible/good for privacy.
Fair enough. But can’t be assed to switch every little thing, and keep track of the new ones (like the ad tracker in 128)
You can get the same effect with Floorp. I mean it technically still has Pocket built in but it’s 1 click to completely disable rather than all the hoops you have to go through in normal Firefox.
VPN ads? Not sure I’ve ever gotten such a thing. Been using Firefox daily for several years
You know that tab that opens sometimes when you update Firefox? The welcome to Firefox or what’s new, whatever it is? If I remember correctly, there are sometimes ads for mozilla vpn on that tab. But you, like me, might just close that tab without ever looking at its contents
Haha yeah… I actually like that there is a confirmation that an update was installed and there’s a list of changes if I want to view them. If that “ad” indeed is there, it’s inoffensive enough I never once noticed it. I loathe ads. Not one of those people who tolerates them
Tor Browser serves a different purpose/use-case to the first two. The first two are intended for everyday browsing while I’ve never heard of anyone using Tor Browser as their daily browser—and if you log into websites then using Tor Browser as your daily driver would defeat the anonymity purposes if you’re logging in anyway.
I use librewolf for everyday browsing and Tor Browser for things requiring a higher threat model.
It actually feels selfish to use Tor as a daily driver.
I assume that by “selfish” you mean taking up bandwidth from the Tor network, which is a valid concern. But using it as a daily driver for low-bandwidth tasks like reading text (and maybe a few compressed pictures here and there) is actually be beneficial to the Tor network, as it increases the size of the crowd, thereby making everyone more anonymous.
Eh, that’s fair. As long as it is low bandwidth like you said. Maybe I’ll do it some.
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[Richard Stallman] usually does not browse the web directly from his personal computer. Instead, he uses GNU Womb’s grab-url-from-mail utility, an email-based proxy which downloads the webpage content and then emails it to the user.
If you’re not doing this you’re not properly paranoid.
Edge: *naked with an ad tattooed on the back*
Tattooed on the lower back to be more specific
This lumbar presented by T-Mobile—We got your back!*
I threw up in my mouth a bit….
NetCat. /s
Seriously though, I just use Firefox. LibreWolf is basically Firefox with stricter defaults, and over the years I’ve already tweaked Firefox to use all the privacy features anyway.
I know there’s some extra sauce implemented in LibreWolf that Firefox lacks, but that stuff seems like too much of a compromise for me (like canvas fingerprinting).
Plus, I think orange looks nicer in my window list than blue.
I also don’t use tor or a vpn unless I can’t access anything otherwise. I guess I don’t really see the need to, since I don’t think I’m doing anything that’ll draw the government’s attention.
You can turn off canvas fingerprinting or any added feature with a single checkbox. I used to feel the same way about LibreWolf, but once I familiarized myself with the different settings, it became clearly the superior option if you value privacy. I also set my Firefox settings strictly, but then they added new “features” and turned them on by default. That was the last straw for me.
I started moving from Firefox to LibreWolf and found a few too many convenient features broke.
I think password and bookmark syncing was too difficult to move away from, as I use them across devices/phone.
Haven’t had time to research alternative methods or practices.
you can enable firefox sync from the librewolf settings. that’s what i do and it works flawlessly
Use QR codes
Firefox may silently opt you into “features” such as targeted advertising. Librewolf acts as a barrier.
Also “nothing to hide” is fine if you have nothing to say and you don’t care about liberty.
schizofox “Hardened Firefox flake for the delusional and the schizophrenics.”
I was going to say that librewolf has no declarative extension config on nix, but this does. Neat.
is this what terry davis used
Arkenfox if anything
I exclusively browse with cURL and manually parse HTML myself the old fashioned way
Why parse the HTML manually when
sedis a standard utility and you can use it to parse it with regex?Ooh, it’s my turn to link this beauty.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/regex-match-open-tags-except-xhtml-self-contained-tags
Insert copypasta of angry nerd ranting about using regex to parse html.
Its a valid rant, ditto to email
I migrated from firefox to librewolf AND Tor this week. Help.
I saw a post earlier this week where Firefox was adding an AI to the browser? That’d make me migrate to libre wolf or water fox.
yea their weird choices of late made me realize that the focus was shifted to money-making and not privacy. So I jumped the ship
Firefox was so close to taking all the users from Chrome
It has always been
Firefox. Librewolf’s defaults make it very inconvenient to use as a normal, day to day web browser. You can obviously change all of that but at that point you might as well just use Firefox with a handful of add-ons so that’s what I’m doing.
I just changed my browsing habits. Frankly I’ve also realized having the internet be less convenient has made me more mentally healthy
My issue isn’t that it’s breaking sites. It’s the fingerprint resistance making the basic user experience unpleasant. Refusing to remember window size, forcing light mode, etc. I understand why, but those aren’t sacrifices I’m willing to make.
You can disable those and get CanvasBlocker to still have some degree of protection (not as much, though)
Yeah those are the browsing adjustments I had to make. though I changed the window sizing to be letter boxing. After that I left it alone. Plus the resetting of all the cookies and cached data
Are those really that bad? From my experience most sites work fine
The only librewolf default I find inconvenient is no persistent cookies. I just disable deleting cookies when I close the browser and the other defaults ive not touched. Other than some Firefox defaults I don’t like the behaviour of, but none of the librewolf-specific defaults.
Try Floorp.
It is Firefox based and with additional features. I find it easier to use than the default Librewolf
It has its own problems. Check the licensing
I’m considering switching to LibreWolf after all the AI crap Mozilla is adding
Statistical analysis of a large data set is a sin, after all.
No it isn’t. Making it opt-out by default is.
It’s opt-in though?
What other programming techniques should be opt-in by default? OOP? Global variables? Caching?
Singling out a technique just because you disapprove of how certain parties have used it is just as ridiculous as trying to to shoehorn it into every application and use it as a marketing buzzword.
You are deliberately missing the point.
AI bad?
Librewolf is great. I just add exceptions for a handful of sites I want to retain sessions for and it is very usable as a daily driver
except on twitch, maybe it’s just me but i need to restart my browser pretty consistently when watching vods
Or even better, use a different site
Librewolf is just a usable Firefox
Firefox is a completely usable Firefox.
If you dont care about Ad search engines, Studies, Pocket, Google Safebrowsing, search suggestions, a start page with ads, weak privacy settings, all cookies saved forever, no adblocking, a unique canvas fingerprint, a user agent containing your Linux Distro,…
I went through the arkenfox user.js and literally all of it minus 20 or so settings just make sense. The rest are kinda overkill, but really, Firefox is horrible out of the box.
It is really modular luckily
“horrible” being mostly sensible for the average user, as well as basic telemetry for making development much easier. but muhhh nooo with that information they can know who exactly I am!!! preach!!!
Could you list what exactly is necessary to have a good user experience?
A lot of these are privacy invasive. Senseful telemitry is fine, but I dont see how they do that.
really, Firefox is horrible out of the box.
It is really modular luckily
Talking shit, but even you still have to recognize excellent software design.
Stop harrassing me please. Just because you are fine with something, you cant say anyone else is talking shit.
Firefox is really modular, and that makes it different from the other browers.
I don’t see how a couple of replies could be considered harassment just because I used the phrase “talking shit”. The fact is that you’re fear mongering, and you apparently don’t like it being questioned.
Most of these aren’t issues or are “solved” in a couple of seconds.
I am curious, exactly how would it be remotely possible for me to care that my UA string mentions Ubuntu when that’s not even technically my distro? I cannot summon an ounce of concern there. Seriously, how the hell would that matter in the least to anyone?
It adds one factor for Fingerprinting that is simply not needed
I knew you would say that. I imagine that user agent strings as a concept are bad, in your opinion?
They are useful to differentiate mobile from PC devices. That is not needed as many Websites are dynamic, but useful for some.
As all browsers also support the common web standards, it is also not necessary for determining supported features or something.
The only other use I find is having download links targeting the platform, but especially on Linux that is not really useful
“useful” is relative. I prefer a world where websites can know which platforms users are coming from, as it helps them know where to focus their support efforts.
There are billions of users but probably only a few OSes mentioned in UA strings so it seems like a decent trade off to me. My exact UA string is likely shared by millions of users even though my OS is somewhat rare on the world stage. Until the day comes that web browsers work exactly the same way on every platform, at which case I’d agree with you, no longer useful. Unfortunately for decades we’ve been quite a bit short of that end.
Just checked because I couldn’t remember exactly what OS info mine included last I looked. It’s quite generic:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:128.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/128.0
Tor Browser is this kid wearing many layers of different masks and hoodies, and changing them randomly whenever the mood strikes.
I have five browsers and couple vpns and some extras that I have mix matched to create sort of tier system depending on how legal is the activity I partake in.
Most illegal though you have to physically relocate to some unprotected hotspot by car
Is that why you are posting it here?
This isn’t the reason I am posting it here
Librewolf enables fingerprinting preventation which makes some websites / fields very laggy. I can disable it but what’s the point of using Librewolf then? Also using FF is not paranoid, it is the only free software I installed that sticked with my family. Tor has a wholly different purpose.
Also using FF is not paranoid
Yes that’s what the meme is saying.
I don’t know what Floorp makes me…
Picture one but in a Japanese/anime style. Wait a second
Based and customizationpilled
Floorp is the best option simply by name alone. I love floorping for information.
