Ford says its system could make law enforcement's job easier.

"Ain’t no snitches riding with us

Ol mo the mouth n***as could holler the front" - Lil’ Wayne

  • TurboWafflz@lemmy.world
    1362·
    3 months ago

    Ooh yes good patent it so other manufacturers won’t do it. It’s a win-win since I already wouldn’t want a ford

    Edit: what it uses cameras to look at other vehicles??? That is much worse

      • deweydecibel@lemmy.worldEnglish
        152·
        3 months ago

        Let’s be real, close to a majority of Americans have no issue with their iPhone being used as part of a mesh tracking network, even if it helps abusers with airtags.

        All they have to do is sell this to people as benefiting them, and they will gobble it up. Hell, chances are, insurance companies will start offering reduced rates if you drive one (and then they buy the data from Ford and increase rates with it).

        • 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de
          16·
          3 months ago

          The massive difference between AirTags and this is that AirTags (and the whole Find My network, it’s not only AirTags after all) actually provide a useful service to each participant, namely locating their things if they get lost somewhere. This does effectively nothing for you and will only ever fuck over other people (you could argue rightfully so, but still) and provides no value to anyone other than the police.

          • Mirshe@lemmy.world
            1·
            3 months ago

            One wonders whether instance companies will incentivize these vehicles with lower rates.

            • nilloc@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
              11·
              3 months ago

              For whatever the insurance companies deem a low rate driver, sure. But you can be sure that many drivers will be paying more once their insurance company sees how much time they stare at a TikTok videos what “driving”.

              Actually. I do wish that phones would fucking tattle on people who can’t be bothered to watch where they’re going while operating 2 ton Hausfraupanzers.

        • BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee
          23·
          3 months ago

          Instead of paying 2000 dollars a month for your shitty lifted ford ranger you pay 1500 a month for your shitty lifted ford ranger, but the car will… SHUT THE FUCK UP, WHERE DO I SIGN?

    • Chozo@fedia.io
      22·
      3 months ago

      Ooh yes good patent it so other manufacturers won’t do it.

      Patents don’t necessarily stop other OEMs from using it. It just means they’ll have to pay Ford a fee to license it, themselves.

          • SuiXi3D@fedia.io
            1·
            3 months ago

            They all have telematics in their trucks, and I know they all use the data in the case of accidents to prove fault. Amazon specifically monitors speed and will fire drivers if they do it too much. Wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if they started sharing that info.

            • fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.comEnglish
              2·
              3 months ago

              Oh yea, on the same page, it’s just that FedEx specifically have been proven to hold contracts with law enforcement, while the others have not.

  • Sterile_Technique@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1011·
    3 months ago

    Sooo how long before we find a way to jailbreak the thing and essentially have an on-board “give that car a ticket” button to report false speed data on any driver we happen to be pissed off at?

    …yeah I’d 100% abuse the fuck out of that.

    • deweydecibel@lemmy.worldEnglish
      48·
      3 months ago

      Not just a law enforcement thing, either.

      Ford will absolutely, 100%, start selling this data to insurance companies, who will absolutely use it to increase rates.

      • umbrella@lemmy.ml
        4·
        3 months ago

        us insurance sounds insane, you are forced do deal with corporations in a scammy as fuck way

        • Empricorn@feddit.nlEnglish
          1·
          3 months ago

          Oh, it only sounds that way because our US insurance system is fucking insane and forces us to deal with them in a scammy way!

        • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          1·
          3 months ago

          How does it work elsewhere? We require doctors get malpractice insurance, and there’s growing support for making the police get liability insurance too.

          • boonhet@lemm.ee
            2·
            3 months ago

            I live in Estonia.

            For one, car insurance depends on your basic demographics (car registration location, owner’s years of driving/insuring experience), the car’s power rating and make/model - and finally, accident history. For any type of insurance that covers your own vehicle as well, it also takes into account the age and value of the vehicle (for the mandatory liability insurance, that’s irrelevant).

            For medical insurance, your prior medical history doesn’t matter, there are no premiums. Your options are (simplified, there are some others too):

            1. Work and have social tax paid for you by the employer (they don’t get to weasel out of this with a regular work contract)

            2. Be an entrepreneur and pay yourself at least the minimum monthly salary with social tax, the rest you can take out as dividends or invest into growing the company

            3. Be a student, including university

            4. Be underage (this also gives you dental! I do wish everyone got dental)

            5. Be registered as unemployed and at least act like you’re trying to find a job

            6. Have some sort of permanent disability that’s severely impacting your ability to work

            7. Have a child under 3 years old

            8. If nothing else applies to you, you can pay a certain sum which was either monthly or quarterly, to have the same health insurance (this is mostly for those entrepreneurs who don’t want to pay themselves even a minimum salary because they’re already loaded and would rather avoid paying payroll taxes on themselves and only pay income tax if/when taking out dividends). I suppose you could also do it if your income is entirely illegal and therefore untaxed.

            If you hit any of these, you pay €5 per doctor’s appointment, with some exceptions. Private care is more expensive. If you don’t in any way qualify for the national medical insurance, you’ll have to pay for your procedures and stuff, but the prices are reasonable usually.

            As for liability insurance for medical malpractice and the police - I’m not 100% sure, but I do believe that victims get compensated by either the hospital, or the government in the case of the police. In any case, it’s very rare for anything like this to happen luckily.

            I do believe life insurance that pays out if you die prematurely or get a major injury or disease, will still depend on your medical history - or at least whether you smoke and drink alcohol.

          • Empricorn@feddit.nlEnglish
            1·
            3 months ago

            You do realize insurance companies were recently proven to be purchasing data secretly created from our own vehicles so they could raise rates, right? Not sure it “works” here in the US…

  • sndmn
    64·
    3 months ago

    Are they trying to sell fewer vehicles?

    • friend_of_satan@lemmy.worldEnglish
      37·
      3 months ago

      “But if we market it as a subscription service, then surely customers will want it” - Some clueless executive

      • mars296@fedia.io
        22·
        3 months ago

        What they should do is give the car owners a cut if the ticket fees. They would have people patrolling the streets to catch speeders. There also be a big uptick in vandalism of Fords. I would love to watch this experiment with some popcorn.

      • adarzaEnglish
        2·
        3 months ago

        it’ll be something the cops subscribe to, and car owners will have no say.

  • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
    452·
    3 months ago

    Ford could put all their R&D money into developing low-cost EVs, but they’d prefer to give the cops a handout.

    • ILikeBoobies
      1·
      3 months ago

      Maybe a natural consequence but better than that would be low profile vehicles

    • enbyecho@lemmy.worldEnglish
      14·
      3 months ago

      Ford could put all their R&D money into developing low-cost EVs,

      Thus making the EVs very expensive… just sayin’

      Edit: I don’t know why you are downvoting. These are economic realities as they exist today. More R&D => greater costs => higher price. Fully Automated Luxury Communism is, unfortunately, not a likely reality in our lifetimes.

        • enbyecho@lemmy.worldEnglish
          12·
          3 months ago

          By minimizing costs, including R&D. Further, the lower the price the lower the profit and usually the lower the margin. Companies are not incentivitized to make less money.

          This is pretty basic stuff…

          • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
            2·
            3 months ago

            Companies are not incentivitized to make less money.

            If only it were physically possible to change that. Alas, the fifth law of thermodynamics says profit above all.

            • enbyecho@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              3 months ago

              If only it were physically possible to change that. Alas, the fifth law of thermodynamics says profit above all.

              It is possible to change it, of course, but every attempt thus far has ended in authoritarian political systems with even less opportunity for you to be housed, fed and well cared for, much less able to get things like affordable EVs.

              I’m pretty convinced, sadly, that this is mainly because humans basically suck.

  • 🔰Hurling⚜️Durling🔱@lemmy.world
    445·
    3 months ago

    While I wish people would stop fucking speeding (you really aren’t getting there that much faster) and tailgaiting like fucking Talladega nights, I still think this is bullshit and fuck Ford for doing this.

    • werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
      135·
      3 months ago

      The need:

      Don’t drive over people, kids, pets or other items such as personal property or buildings.

      The current status:

      People don’t do those things because mostly they are good enough not to run you over. Bad people on the other hand have no internal limits to prevent tragedy.

      The fix:

      You can’t go faster than the speed limit. Bad people can still drive you over or hit your car or house.

      You see how this works? The problem wasn’t even addressed. But additionally there’s the problem of “I’m at point A and would like to get to point B but not faster than the speed limit so the cop doesn’t shoot me 19 times in the back of the head.”

      The fix: you can’t go faster than the speed limit. This allows you to get to point B. However the cop can still shoot you 19 times in the back of the head even when you didn’t do anything wrong.

    • Atomic@sh.itjust.works
      44·
      3 months ago

      It’s an absolute win win.

      1. If they patent it, no one else can use the same system in the same way. So it’s contained to Ford.

      2. If they don’t end up using it. It’s simply a safeguard that no one else can either.

      3. If they do end up using it, people will shy away from Ford, making the roads safer for everyone.

      As I said. Win win. This is fantastic news.

      • linearchaos@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        3 months ago

        What if legislation says the feature needs to be added. And then everyone’s forced to buy a license from Ford to make it happen?

        • Atomic@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          3 months ago

          No one would be forced to buy a license from Ford. IF they decide it has to be on every car, and it’s that specific system, they would have to buy it out from Ford.

          But legislation like that doesn’t happen over night. It’s planned several years in advance so everyone has time to implement it.

          But if that’s what you’re worries about. I suggest you vote for whomever is opposed to it. And if no one is opposed. I suggest you protest.

    • gedaliyah@lemmy.worldM
      19·
      3 months ago

      What do you mean by tha-

      Only a single great man, Ford, to their fury still maintains full independence [from the control of Jewish masters]. -(Mein Kampf)

      Oh. Well, shit.

    • Crikeste@lemm.ee
      5·
      3 months ago

      That face when you allow your factories in Europe to become war machines, but not the ones in your own home.

      Allegiances and all that.

  • Glytch@lemmy.world
    301·
    3 months ago

    This is likely for new models of Interceptors so that cops don’t have to hold those heavy radar guns to generate revenue. Instead they can automatically ticket speeders while driving to the donut shop or their next victim’s house.

        • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
          11·
          3 months ago

          I feel like you atleast have some wiggle room with electric cars, I cant imagine that it would be too hard to just rip out and replace most of the bs parts. Mostly cause you dont have a massive engine block to deal with, just wires.

                • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
                  3·
                  3 months ago

                  No but it also shouldnt be complex enough to need it, all the computer needs to do is control the motors and the shifter nothing else. I dont need cruise control, I dont need lane assist, I dont even need powered windows ya know what fuck the doors altogether. Everything else IE lights, air, radio can be controlled through a rather simple tertiary power system.

  • BigDaddySlim@lemmy.worldEnglish
    283·
    3 months ago

    You won’t buy a Ford because it’ll rat you out to the cops

    I won’t buy a Ford because they’re dog shit vehicles

    We are not the same

    • systemglitch@lemmy.world
      11·
      3 months ago

      With how rarely Toyota’s break down, I hesitate to consider any other car company. Ford is near bottom of the barrel.

    • Ænima@lemm.ee
      5·
      3 months ago

      Yup! Wanna change your battery?

      “FUCK YOU, GO TO AND PAY A DEALER CAUSE WE BURIED THAT SHIT INSIDE THE FUCKING ENGINE COMPARTMENT!” -Ford

      I can’t believe no one has sued them for this anti-consumer bullshit. I don’t know anything about cars, but even I have been able to change the battery in every vehicle I have ever owned.

    • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
      5·
      3 months ago

      I rented a Ford focus once and it really was a dog shit vehicle. Every other vehicle could easily interface with my iPod but this piece of shit would need to scan the iPod for 5-10 minutes (making the head unit completely unusable in the meantime) at which point it would start playing some random song from the iPod that it bizarrely determined was first. That was the most obvious shitty design flaw, but literally every thing about the car was piss poor. If I hadn’t been against Ford already because they knowingly killed people with those defective Firestones, I would’ve completely turned against them from that one rental experience. Fuck Ford.

  • RagingRobot@lemmy.world
    23·
    3 months ago

    Maybe they are patenting this just so that no one else can make it! Because they are generous kind hearted people, right? Right?.. Omg :(