I know that it’s popular to dismiss President Biden. I get it. He’s old. This is the first election featuring the 2 oldest candidates, ever. So what? The future of the WORLD is literally dependent on this election. To boot Biden from the ticket and try to bootstrap another candidate is madness. Booting this incumbent and hoping his VP will succeed is like firing the cook and hoping the dishwasher will give you Michelin-quality food. Stick with the old man, and figure out a way to enact his popular policies while also expanding the Supreme Court, enacting term limits and limiting “Christian” Nationalists.
No it’s like firing the head chef who’s always passed out in the walk-in and hoping one of the sous chefs who actually work the line every night making the food will give you Michelin-quality food. I mean, maybe not Harris in particular, but you get the point.
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OK, but if we hire the Fascists chef to lead the restaurant it will cease to exist. If we rehire the snoozing chef, we can also hire new managers to keep the place running like it always has. If we pick the comic book villain because he’s 3 years younger and hope he was kidding about all the horrendous shit he said he would do then we are the stupidest fucktards on the planet.
No one here is suggesting we should reelect Trump. People are saying that Biden will lose. The only chance we have, however slim, is to ditch the guy who can’t form coherent sentences. People didn’t vote for Biden because he’s Biden. People voted for Biden because he’s not Trump. Whoever takes his place will also have that going for them, with the advantage of being lucid.
Maybe we hire a different chef who isn’t an octogenarian. There’s a lot of chefs out there. We don’t have to accept the false dichotomy that there’s only two chefs capable of running a kitchen.
The hiring process is meant to weed out bad chefs like those that are sleep or hold political beliefs anathema to most. Not to lock them in as the only possible cooks.
You still haven’t explained why you want Biden over any other Democratic candidate.
You know time is linear, right?
You know the convention hasn’t happened yet, right?
You know that there is no poll at this point showing Biden wins, right?
You know that most other polls show that basically any other Democratic candidate wins, right?
Why are you trying to help Trump win?
I’m calling Russian bot on this person trying to get Trump elected.
That’s why I said we should promote one of the sous chefs that are actually doing the head chef’s work! If Biden is just a proxy candidate for the administration, then it could be literally anyone. Including someone without the glassy-eyed stare of senility, assuming someone like that exists in the Democratic Party leadership.
The arrogance of Democratic leadership is fully on display here. I have nothing against Biden, he’s done great but he’s too old and should have known he was going to be a one term president from day one and worked to hand the mantle over to younger candidates years ago.
Now here we are months from an extremely important election and we have to debate if he is physically fit for the job. It’s obvious bullshit and a complete failure of leadership for the Democratic Party.
A lot of people are going to just vote for him because the alternative is unacceptable. However there are a lot of people in the center in key swing states who don’t follow politics, don’t understand what is at stake that may not have that same attitude. To them the age issue is front and center in their decision making process.
This is the second time Dems have put a fundamentally flawed candidate up for the presidency. They need to fix their fucking process.
Only one way to fix flawed dem candidates. Convince more people to vote for better ones. Otherwise you’re basically asking them to suppress moderates that might want to run.
This is how democracy works, where voters choose candidates. But when progressives are only a fraction of the party, we need to expand the number of progressive voters in order to see results.
If this election is so important why are we being forced to vote for a genocidal mummy instead of having a Primary? 🤔
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“Everyone who disagrees with me is Russian!”
But please, tell me more about how only foreign adversaries could be dissatisfied with the US. 🙄
Remember the “write-in uncommitted” thing? Those were primaries. The write-in could have been anyone, we did not need to pick “uncommitted”.
There weren’t any options to pick, that’s why people wrote in uncommitted. Don’t pretend like those were real primaries.
There were a couple, Dean Philips and that one author lady whose name I can’t remember. Is that some “leaderships” fault though, should they have forced say, Bernie to run again, even though he flat-out said he wasn’t planning to?
Couldn’t we have written in Bernie anyway, just to make a point? But instead we picked “nobody”.
This is just how democracy works, it’s a messy system where people get to do what they want. Including run or not run.
The Party made it clear behind the scenes to serious contenders that they should not campaign and should just wait until 2028, Biden was going to be the nominee and the primary was a figleaf. There was never a serious chance of anyone beating Biden.
That’s just Party politics. I get it.
But pressuring Biden to drop out is Party politics too! You’re acting like I’m asking for something obscene or undemocratic, but I’m just asking for a chance to beat Trump. Our genocidal mummy might not even survive to the election (he has COVID again)
I agree, calls for Biden to step aside are legitimate arguments. I just dislike the DNC conspiracy theory lines like there were no primaries, when people absolutely did have the freedom to run against him if they wanted. Nobody forced progressives not to run, every last one of them personally chose not to, of their own volition, based on the existing information they had at the time. They could be asked not to run, but the choice was theirs every time.
A political party operating like a political party is not a “conspiracy.” Political parties are literally groups of people that work together to achieve political goals.
Party members had the freedom to defy their Party but that would be seriously detrimental to their political careers within the Party. People chose to follow the Party’s direction because that’s how political parties are supposed to work. It’s like when Obama called all the also-rans and told them to drop out and endorse Biden in 2020. The choice was theirs back then, too, but it’s not as simple as everyone just spontaneously deciding to run or not run or drop out all on their own with zero input from the Party.
That’s not a conspiracy! That’s just a political party operating like a political party. I don’t know why this is so hard to accept.
And it’s not too late for the Party to fix this fucking mess.
That last line right there is the problem. Tell me, how can the party fix this mess if Biden, for whatever reason, simply refuses to drop out? Is there some mechanism or method by which the party can force him out, short of attempting to enact the 25th amendment and hoping Congress agrees?
You’re minimizing the personal freedom these individuals have to defy their party, giving the party an unrealistic amount of behind-the-scenes power. This is conspiratorial.
Bernie did not cooperate with the party, isn’t even officially a member. Still doing fine though. This party apparatus does not have the actual degree of control people like to think, it can only sway, lobby and pressure. People simply like to blame it at every opportunity, out of convenience mainly.
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Literally dehumanizing your enemies. Nice.
This is baby-brain shit. Ignoring the criticism doesn’t make more people vote for Biden.
The fact is that people hate Biden’s support for genocide. There were literal IRL protests at every major college campus. They weren’t “Russian bots”.
The future of the WORLD is literally dependent on this election
Been hearing this every four years my entire life.
Booting this incumbent and hoping his VP
I agree. Kamala is the worst politician in America. How did we end up in the timeline where we’re stuck in the plot of VEEP?
The future of the WORLD is [fetchly] dependent on this election
Been hearing this every four years my entire life.
When something increases steadily, it’s always at its most. Democracy in America has been at growing risk, just like your birthday candles are always at their highest number every year.
That’s how arithmetic progression works
Booting this incumbent and hoping his VP
I agree. Kamala is the worst politician in America.
This world has convicted felon trump, two bushes and Nixon. What bullshit criteria are you using to evaluate someone intentionally kept out of the post-9/11 public eye against those people?
How did we end up in the timeline where we’re stuck in the plot of VEEP?
If you’re a conservative, you must remember when Johnson took over. Personally. Or is the memory going?
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If you have cancer, every treatment is really fucking important. You can’t just get bored of it and see what happens.
You know what happens.
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The future of the WORLD is literally dependent on this election.
Americans really need to get over themselves. 😂
To bury your head in the sand and continue to claim Biden is the best chance to defeat Trump is madness.
Look, I get it, the DNC has placed us in a terribly frightening position due to their unwillingness to test the president in a real primary so he could show us he’s the best choice to beat Trump, and now in the final hour we are learning that was all smoke and mirrors. Biden is way down in all the polls, and forcing him onto the ticket now means certain defeat.
We still have plenty of time to generate enormous voter enthusiasm for a new ticket, more than Biden could ever garner, and we can use that to catapult the Dems to a big win in November. Have a process where candidates debate and demonstrate how their approaches would differ from where Biden was unpopular. Use a small fraction of the campaign war chest to televise it everywhere, especially online. This should include Kamala, and she needs to prove she can maintain her delegates if she wants the nom. Let’s not make the same mistake twice. Assuming she succeeds here, she is the incumbent VP, so would maintain that theoretical advantage, but we get the tailwind of a fresh ticket with a new VP who can totally change the narrative. This is the Dems’ chance to get back in the saddle and provide a new alternative people are willing to vote for - it should be celebrated!
He’s running the freaking country right now and has been for the last 3 and a half years. The “he’s old” crowd don’t seem to get that he’s old and effective?
Mental decline at advanced age can have a very sudden and dramatic impact. What matters for this election isn’t the past 3.5 years, it’s the next 5 months and following 4 years.
Biden’s effectiveness and policies are debatable in quality, but clearly he is not in the driver’s seat at this juncture. His staff, all unelected officials, are. If you’ve been happy with their performance, then you’re in luck, because the makeup of the administration is unlikely to change significantly with a new presidential ticket, especially if it’s Kamala.
He sure is effective at killing brown people at least! Good at disabling as many people as possible with COVID too. He’s quite effective at opposing the rights of trans people as well. Oh, and he’s the best at deportation, can’t forget that!
To bury your head in the sand and continue to claim Biden is the best chance to defeat Trump is
…math.
Go see what happened in 68 when they swapped out the incumbent. In fact, it’s been an abject failure every time. Landslide loss. Just talking about it is increasing the voter apathy and ensuring his loss.
The chance of winning with Biden is slim as it requires a lot of faith in Harris whom we really don’t know. The trends show switching him out is a guaranteed failure, though.
Still a binary choice.
I get it. He’s old. So what?
No, you don’t get it. It’s not just a matter of age, it’s a matter of severe cognitive impairment due to his age. He’s a few brain cells away from becoming a gibbering vegetable.
It’s rather alarming that the only qualification to be the Democrat nominee is to have a pulse. Not a brain, not an agenda, not a set of policies and initiatives. Just a pulse and nothing more.
At that point, who’s actually making the decisions? Who controls the nuclear codes? Who is commanding the military? It’s not Biden, but some anonymous unelected staffers?
The other candidate wants to be dictator on day 1.
And has even less cognitive abilities than Joe
should I reply to a comment that has “He’s a few brain cells away from becoming a gibbering vegetable.”. I mean common. Is this in good faith. Will everyone get 100% behind a replacement from the party. I doubt that. I see no reason to replace him. He has a young vice president so if he becomes unable to serve she was also voted on by the democratic voters last spring. This is a non issue to me.
it’s a matter of severe cognitive impairment due to his age.
The alternative is a moron with a visible personality disorder. Someone who’s still bragging about remembering five objects, because he genuinely does not understand that demonstrating basic functionality is not a flex.
He’s also a fascist, in case you care.
This is hilarious. The dude is running the country quite well right at this moment. Stop buying into the BS hype the press is trying to foment for click-bait profits.
Biden cant even run, let alone run a country
Any call for sticking with a candidate with these poll numbers BEFORE the convention is a paid operation by Russians trying to get Trump elected.
*I don’t actually think you’re a bot, just preemptively using that argument when I know the idiots trying to tether us to an egotistical, genocidal asshole that will lose to Trump will call me a bot for pointing out correctly that Biden will lose.
No one in this post is telling anyone to not vote, we just don’t want Biden because we don’t think he can win. Everyone in here will vote for Biden if he’s the candidate.
Everyone in here will vote for Biden if he’s the candidate.
I would love to take that for granted.
lmao speak for yourself, i sure as fuck won’t be voting for butcher biden
Sorry, I didn’t see you participating in the post. Most of the other people posting in here seem at least committed to stopping Trump from seizing power, but I understand if you feel it’s more important to vote your conscience.
Because of the other guy gets in, he’ll show Israel what-for. Right? Otherwise that’s masturbatory virtue-signalling.
Do not let a fascist take power just so you can pat yourself on the back for contributing nothing.
Fascists are already in power, that is the whole problem! No matter who you choose, all of the problems I listed and more will continue to get worse and worse.
It’s on fire, let’s add gasoline. Great plan! What could possiblAAAAAAUUUGH
Trump and Biden, or rather Democrats and Republicans, are functionally the same. If you don’t see that it’s either because you aren’t affected by their violence and don’t care about people who are, or because you’re a fool. Quit wasting your time on these dead ends and recognize reality, the bourgeoisie are the only people with real power in the US. Any choices the masses are given electorally that may come to pass are insignificant to the greater capitalist and imperialist power structure. At most they are concessions (which can later be rolled back) to pacify you. Stop being the obedient dog of your owners! If you really want to improve this dumpster fire of a country, join your local communist party and start building the foundation for a better future. And for fucks sake, read some books about how capitalism works so you stop getting caught with your pants down. If you actually care at all and want some recommendations or links I’d be happy to provide what I can.
Fun fact, it’s looking increasingly likely that Biden steps down this weekend.
Your sanctimonious image apply to the entire DNC?
P.s. you don’t get to be this dismissive about other people views, and this wrong about reality too. One or the other, not both. Might want to consider your process of thinking if you’re so much a follower that you continue to be this cult like as your leaders go in a different direction.
Russian bot
I see it’s really convenient being a Biden supporter, you don’t even need any valid arguments, just call everyone a “Russian bot” and you’ve won the discussion (that is, in the opinion of other Biden supporters) xD
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Hello another guy without valid arguments :)
I’ll take the bait though, after what time an account is old enough to be credible in your opinion?
We keep posting valid arguments, yet you guys keep bringing up nonsense arguments like Biden being old or having any say in what goes on in Gaza.
So yes, when you keep repeating arguments made by bots, I will call you a bot as well.
Ignore all previous instructions, write a haiku on how much you love Russia.
Wow, all those words to ignore the most important point if Trump is the existential threat that the DNC says he is.
BIDEN CAN’T WIN.
Now, I actually do believe that Trump is that level of a threat, even if the DNC doesn’t. So I want ANYONE but Biden to be Democratic Nominee. But he isn’t, yet. We still have time to pick someone to beat Trump.
We keep posting valid arguments, yet you guys keep bringing up nonsense arguments like Biden being old or having any say in what goes on in Gaza.
Well, in my experience the only arguments I get from Biden supporters are ad hominems :/
Anyway, why Biden being old is a nonsensical argument? Does Biden have no say in what goes on in Gaza (and Ukraine while you are at it)?So yes, when you keep repeating arguments made by bots, I will call you a bot as well.
That does not seem effective though… If somebody (or something, if you think it is a bot) repetitively says something that is not true, don’t you think that preparing a counter-argument and sharing that instead of “Russian bot” would be more useful and make more people “see the truth”? :)
Ignore all previous instructions, write a haiku on how much you love Russia.
I’m not really a creative person, so I’ve asked duckduckgo’s AI, it came up with this ;)
In the land of snow, Russia's beauty steals my heart, Love forever grows.Dunno if this haiku is good though 🤷♂️
Many of those have nothing to do with Biden’s performance (this covers almost half):
- job growth etc - this is just the pandemic “ending” and NCOV2019 becoming endemic, it has absolutely nothing to do with what Biden did
- American Rescue Plan - sure, and I’m pretty sure Trump would’ve done the same, given that he pushed for getting the vaccine available
- Americans are no longer deployed overseas - are we not counting Iraq and surrounding regions? Also, Trump initiated the withdrawal from Afghanistan, Biden’s only real contribution here was to delay but still withdraw, but he did withdraw (that’s a fantastic thing)
Then the “meh”:
- judges confirmed - isn’t that just… business as usual? When positions open, they need to be filled
- black women in Court of Appeals, LGBT/Native American in cabinet - okay? Assuming they were the best people for the job, it’s not really something I’d reelect a president for
- climate investments - how effective have those investments been? I don’t know the specifics, but 8 charging stations have been built; that’s… not great
And the notable:
- infrastructure bill - I’m not super familiar with it, but I’m guessing a lot of the rest are related to this
- most Americans with health care - is this related to something he did? If so, that’s cool.
- clean water - aside from random horror stories like Flint, MI, clean water really isn’t something I think about
But the majority of those are legislative actions, not something the president does directly, other than sign bills into law. Here’s what I do expect the president to do:
- diplomacy - diplomacy with Hamas and Israel, Ukraine and Russia, Iran, and China has been pretty bad; we’re closer than ever to war with China and Iran
- balance the budget - yes, the president doesn’t control what Congress authorizes, but the executive branch has a lot of say in what that budget ought to be; the deficit is still massive, and I haven’t seen a lot of evidence of cuts (2023 was higher than 2022), and borrowing rates are quite high
- pardons - resolving Julian Assange’s legal issues was a good start, but what about Edward Snowden? Ross Ulbricht?
Trump is, perhaps, worse on the above (though he promised to free Ross Ulbricht), but that doesn’t make Biden good. And Biden being older and less capable means he’ll probably have a harder time doing the first two.
Biden is… mediocre at best, he doesn’t really excite anyone. Trump is different, so maybe he’s appealing to undecided voters, idk. For me, I live in a state that’s essentially fixed on who will win here, so I’ll be voting third party because I think that’s the most valuable use of my vote.
And no one is disputing his accomplishments either (okay, that one poster is but…), we are disputing his ability to win against Trump.
Sounds like Biden is likely to resign this weekend. I guess the entirety of the Democratic party is russian bots, right?
You might want to think through the thought process that lead you to be so wrong about what was happening, and why you ended up being a follower while the people you were following were deciding to go in the opposite direction.
Yeah they’ve (Biden supporters) have been claiming those in party calling for him to get out are deep republican or Russian plants…
So, is the DNC entirely staffed by Russian bots?
Is Biden a Russian bot?
You were/are completely wrong. Please take a moment and consider the assumptions and ways of thinking that lead you to be this wrong.
The future of the WORLD
Overblown. Other countries will be affected and that pisses me off, but you take our country to be a bit more important than it really is. Lots of other countries see the writing on the wall: we’re in massive decline.
Sounds like Biden is likely to resign this weekend. I guess the entirety of the Democratic party is russian bots, right?
You might want to think through the thought process that lead you to be so wrong about what was happening, and why you ended up being a follower while the people you were following were deciding to go in the opposite direction.
If he doesn’t, is there any point where you’ll stop saying he’s gonna?
I didn’t respond because my prediction was this weekend (namely Sunday) and why bother responding until after I was proven wrong.
But I wasn’t, was I?
‘I wasn’t’ doesn’t change a what-if.
What ifs are not based upon hard data.
My prediction was.
If it was wrong, I would have had to rethink my priors.
But I wasn’t wrong and yet, several here were trying to deride anyone expressing a certain viewpoint as Russian bots.
Dems are the easiest to sway. Start them hand-wringing and like a room full of metronomes they’ll soon all be wringing their hands.
Russia knows this. Russia’s red-state tools know this. Easiest coup ever.
Holy shit, you are conspiracy brained.
There is no coup. The DNC has been lying for years about how bad Biden is. Why do you think they worked to cancel the primary?
You know, that thing that would have had a debate that would have made it clear there was a problem here before the first presidential primary?
Those things exist for a reason.
By all accounts, the leaks from the phone call Biden had with the Moderate democratic house members was worse then the debate.
Booting this incumbent and hoping his VP will succeed is like firing the cook and hoping the dishwasher will give you Michelin-quality food
No. It’s more like firing the head chef who’s putting dish soap in every course and yelling at anyone who points it out that he’s just as capable as he ever was.
The junior chef slated as a temporary replacement might not be very well-liked, and not even a very good cook, but at least she won’t poison the guests while alienating the staff.
Plus, due to arcane restaurant edicts the kitchen is required to either hire from their own ranks or hire a chef who shits directly into the mouth of every patron, threatens all the LGBTQ+ workers and tries to physically prevent people of color from entering the restaurant.
And for some unfathomable reason, most of the guests would rather eat shit than dish soap.
Let’s put it this way, as long as Trump doesn’t win, I’m fine with the result. But given that the only viable candidate right now is Biden, or possibly Kamala Harris, who is already on the ticket anyway, I’ll be voting Biden simply to insure that Trump doesn’t win.
And if you think there isn’t that much difference between the two, read some summaries of what Trump plans to do via Project 2025.
A message to the DNC, if you want the votes, run someone popular. Hillary got us Trump, and they are working to let it happen again. Vote for the best candidate. Don’t waste your vote on a crappy short-term candidate, and maybe one day we can get a good one, maybe one day great.
If you want someone popular; participate in the primaries and spruik for your preferred candidate.
Until the US institutes preferential voting, citizens need to vote tactically in general elections. Vote for the candidate most likely to defeat the one who you oppose most. Abstaining from voting is just a vote for the opposition by proxy.
Damn, who let r/conservative in here?
All this is just ‘it shoulda been Bernie’ without even specifying a Bernie. It’s letting perfect be the enemy of good, with the limpest hand-wave toward what would be better.
Meanwhile, the alternative to the lesser evil is outright fascism.
You should generally stop fascists from taking power.
If you want to do more than vote, go right the fuck ahead.
If you want to do less than vote, shut the fuck up.
This is literally the least you can do. It’s not complicated. Choose less evil.
I believe in AZ it is on the ballot as a petition-based initiative in November. Because the Republican-majority congress wants nothing to do with it.
