PS.
I would for vote Kamala. I would vote for a cactus with sunglasses if it had the Democratic nomination. You would do yourself well to consider anything that is weaking the resolve of the anti-trump sentiment straight poison to your brain. We have only one job this novemeber and that is to stop trump. The Supreme Court has given him the status of king. Quit acting like your vote is sacred and start realizing your vote is your final cry before your rights are forfeited.
I am an unapologetic leftist, and, like most other leftists, I do not believe that engaging in the liberal democratic process will, or even can, bring about my ideal society. However, while I don’t think voting is likely to make things meaningfully better, I do think it can prevent things from getting meaningfully worse. Maybe fascism can’t be defeated with votes, but I can’t see how anything is lost by trying. I mean, why make it easier on the fascists? I’m sure the fascists won’t just give up because they lost an election, but that’s not a reason to hold the door open for them. Again, I don’t think voting for Biden (or whoever the Democratic candidate ends up being) is going to make things much better, but I do think not voting for him could make things much worse. So, we (leftists) should all vote for the Democrats this November. Not because it’s going to get us nearer to our ideal, or our ultimate goals, but because it might help prevent the US from being taken over by fascists.
Change requires sustained momentum. Bouncing back and forth between Republicans and protest voting against Democrats. Is a sure fire way to see no change. If we were to say, show solidarity and dedication to keep all Republicans from elected office. Republicans would lose relevance and slink away. They might try masquerading under a different name like economic liberals playing Libertarian that generally vote Republican. But they will lose influence.
Once that happens. Then we focus on the worst of the Democrats, primarying every single one and driving them out. That sustained momentum and push is what’s needed. To keep the fascist and the wealthy scattered and disorganized like they’ve kept the left. Though the left has done a fair share of that to itself. The right will eat itself as well especially once they’re not winning.
Yeah, basically if the Republicans can be crushed in an election or two - Not just defeated, but absolutely demolished - then it could lead to them dissolving, and lead to the Democrats splitting and pushing the Overton window back left
I’d still argue that’s a bit too short-term. It would have to last years. Not just elections. Probably 3 to 4 presidential elections at minimum. A good decade absence from from National political relevance will get the message across.
It starts with this election. You’re looking down the barrel. No one wants you to pull the trigger america. Step back.
How sustained are we talking? We ushered in the Biden presidency with a huge mandate in 2020, and snuffed out the alleged “red wave” in ‘22 due to republicans’ reprehensible views on denying women bodily autonomy.
Biden and the establishment Dems have squandered this time by telling Americans who are suffering economically that the economy is doing great. That Biden is better than FDR, while our public infrastructure crumbles and our most popular social programs are at risk of closure.
When should we expect the Democrats to actually do something meaningful that improves the vast majority of normal people’s lives?
The Biden administration has been directly addressing that crumbling infrastructure with the largest federal infra investment in modern history. It just happens to be boring so the media doesn’t talk about it.
Ok, so private contractors who are pals with Congress critters get massive checks from the taxpayers to maybe do something, but we won’t see any tangible improvements for at least a decade.
What are they doing in particular? Shouldn’t Biden be making his case as part of his campaign for president? It seems that whenever he gets pressed for details, he just gets flippant and says he’s done more for the American people than FDR and we’re just too stupid to realize it. I’m just not seeing it. I do see a record amount of oil and gas drilling, asylum seekers still in cages while building more of Trump’s wall for him, massive arms sales to enrich military contractors and slaughter innocents in the middle east, and a seeming lack of interest in protecting voter rights and civil liberties. So to me, it seems nothing has changed with Biden from the neoliberal status quo over the last 25 years. Considering he’s over 80, that’s not a huge surprise. Is it the media’s job to advertise Biden’s accomplishments for him?
We don’t need to wait for the Republicans to stop existing before we get representation in exchange for our votes. With a more representative electoral system like Ranked Choice voting, people would be free to vote for those that best represents them, secure in the knowledge that their vote would still be counted even if their preference didn’t win. Still counted against the republicans.
You see, we can have democracy and freedom at the same time. How we vote is controlled at the state level, so we should be able to make these changes in blue states where republicans have less influence.
Unless of course, the democrats in power in those blue states aren’t interested in democracy.
So long as the republicans exist, the amendments necessary to get ranked choice voting wont happen. So yes actually, we do need to wait for them to stop existing
Do you have your guns, beans, and gasoline ready in case the fascists do win in November?
Nobody said it would be pretty.
Will your privilege save you when The Fall occurs?
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Because the party is a coalition. If they did that, they’d just lose the swing voters who actually play kingmaker to repiblican backlash
…the democratic party does not make electoral reform a priority. Are they ever going to address the problem of all these disenfranchised voters who don’t want to vote for them?
Probably not.
Democrats need to beg people they dont represent to vote for them to stop fascism. That’s the point of your entire comment right?
Correct.
Democrats can’t fight the republicans alone.
Yes, that’s true.
how many times are you going to spam this? espescially that skewed youtube video that seems to be designed to push people toward strategic voting instead of voting for their values.
I always like to point out that the people on the far right are always going to vote, and they are always going to vote for the Republican candidate no matter what. Even if you feel like there aren’t any “good candidates” you should still vote because even getting a less than ideal president is better than just doing nothing and letting Trump become a dictator for life
The only real solve is for several people to devote their lives to seeming like milquetoast centre right Democrats, getting into a majority of high ranking committee positions, and then all turn left at once and effect sweeping reforms to the entire platforms
It’s impossible. You would have to be able to fake “real housewives” type social discourse and be able to social climb in that environment. It guarantees only dumb, thoughtless, bite backing, people will ever hold seats of power. Else you risk GOP game of thrones style politics where the GOAT is a spray tanned ballsack with a golden comb over.
Exactly why I bothered to describe a comically implausible scenario for everyone’s enjoyment.
I think I’m out of jokes for now, at least until we find out one of Trump’s kids has a mysterious illness that can only be treated by a tall drunk with a disquieting gaze.
IMO, the solutionis changing how we vote so the disenfranchised are encouraged to participate. More voters equals more democratic votes. So why arent democrats taking these easy votes? All it takes is passing electoral reform in the states they control.
Because that would lose more moderates than the leftists itd gain. The electorate is a third fascist, a third conservative, about a sixth leftist and a sixth social democrat
A number of democrats have supported alternative voting system, but the higher ups are complacent and aloof.
dictator for life LMAO 🤣
I would vote for the wrinkles on Biden’s nutsack before voting for Trump.
Believe it or not, completely smooth. Yeah I don’t know, just is.
Like eggs?
Old man nutsack gravity
I’m hoping Biden steps down and is replaced, but if he doesn’t, as concerning as that is to our chances, I will still be voting for the Dem ticket against literal fucking fascism and encouraging everyone I know IRL to do likewise.
Man, I’d love some real ranked choice voting right about now, but in the meantime, it’s Democrat down the line.
We live in the real world, and anything other than that might as well be saying “please stomp all over my civil liberties harder daddy”
It’s not just having elections. It’s having enough breathing room to enact fundamental change at all. We need to unionize every workplace, and start insisting that politicians of any party work for us. The path forward will be hard enough under Biden, but basically impossible under Trump. Voting is not sufficient by itself.
Something INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT that no one talks about is how when real pressure is laid on the table, Biden almost always bends. Having him stay in office, while not the best possible scenario, is also not the worst IF we all continue to pressure him. Granted, it would have to be done in different and more nuanced ways as he is then again the sitting President. However, I feel with the right people at the forefront and the correct pressure, we can enact change through him more significant than anything he has done these last four years.
And make no mistake my dear dissidents, he HAS done a lot of good.
Lobbying is the cancer eating at the system.
If biden wins you get none of those things and another „last chance” election in 4 years. Nobody wants to fix anything anymore. There are only people who want to destroy what remains for even more power.
I’d much rather have “another last chance election” in four years than a sham election in four years.
Every election is going to be a “last chance” election until there’s another GOP win. Then either they were right, the Dems will learn and pivot to another tactic or they’ll lose several more times because losing the last chance and still having another “last chance” right on schedule makes you look especially dishonest.
I’ll do my duty and vote for Biden, but we’re going to lose with Biden.
- 37% approval-rating matching Jimmy Carter; no candidate in history won with those numbers.
- Biden has the most catastrophic debate performance in history, proving long-held fears by 75% of the electorate that Biden is too old 3 an immutable, worsening attribute.
- Biden was already hemorrhaging black and hispanic voters.
- Biden was already losing youth vote in part due to his position on Israel.
- Trump’s polls hardly budge after a full-blown criminal conviction.
- Trump seizes the narrative for the first time positively with a VP pick and TIME-cover magazine shots of him pumping his fist, defiant with a flag in the background as he’s covered in blood from an assassination attempt.
- Trump campaign has barely spent a nickle of their war chest money while Biden has been dumping their cash just to stay afloat in the polls as damage-control post-debate.
- Biden campaign team has ZERO strategy to change the trajectory of his terrible polls, including the 6 battleground states, all of which he trails in.
Ultimately it’s not me you have to convince; it’s the low-info battleground state swing-voter who now is either not voting or leaning Trump once again.
I will continue to advocate for Biden to step down until post-Convention; after that, well, I’ll probably bet money against his victory. That way, at least it’s win-win for me.
His opponent only has 3% more approval.
Go state by state and it gets a lot worse. He’s poised to lose Michigan in a state the Dem Governor is going to swing by ten points.
Right but now compare that to 2020 disparity between candidates while keeping in mind Biden only won by 40,000 votes in 3 battleground states.
Doesn’t seem too far off. Maybe about 5-6% worse than july 2020.
And additionally 10 points down nationally from where Biden was in h2h polling when comparing 538 polling aggregates.
Whats worse between 2020 and 2024 is that Biden has had 3.5 years to prove himself, give the Americans a chance, and he still had terrible approval ratings. These numbers are likely baked in because the electorate is very familiar with both candidates.
Aren’t the 10% pretty moot, since it’s a two party system?
Wait two weeks and we can talk again, because we’re now at the time frame the trend for the final run will be set.
BTW, I have tagged you as “Both Sides Don’t vote” for a while now.
I think it matters because Democrats must outperform Republicans nationally in popular vote in order to have any chance at an Electoral College victory. On the eve of 2020 election, Biden was up 8% over Trump, won by 7 million votes, and yet ultimately only won by 40,000 critical votes in 3 battleground states largely decided by low-info swing voters who once voted for Obama, then Trump, and then Biden again. Thus, if he’s now down 3-6 points and not up 8 pts, that portends a sweeping Electoral defeat.
I guess we shall see for better or worse.
And honestly, what does that tag mean? I’ve never promoted BotH sIDeS and I’ve never advocated for anyone to not vote or vote 3rd party. Cite me otherwise. Good luck. Because I think you may be missing the nuance and forging a strawman out of my position.
Trump didn’t get the predicted Marytr Bonus that normally follows a failed assassination, he can still do this.
Plus his Vice President is this guy - https://vxtwitter.com/JDVance1/status/1511311385543815180
Easily less likable than Paul Ryan
Even if he didn’t, which it certainly won’t hurt him, Biden is already underperforming not just his 2020 run by a full 10 points, he’s doing worse than Hillary’s 2016 run. I’m glad Trump chose Vance as it doesn’t help him, but again it doesn’t change the bottom-line.
We need to jump ship while there is still time.
Adam Schiff now just publicly called for for Biden to step down.
We need to be ready to stick to him no matter what if he doesn’t though
Indeed, we’d have no other better choice. It just puts me back where I was pre-Debate, but with less hope.
God I wish that debate never happened, I wasn’t even slightly worried about Biden’s chances until that made me go “Oh shit…”
People I know irl have actually switched to Trump because they’re worried Biden is a danger to himself and those around him. They keep saying “Oh Project 2025 will never pass, we got checks and balances”, but that’s not really true anymore
Project 2025 is already well under way. The supreme court has seen to that
I want to die
I’ll be honest… I was still worried, and I think the Biden camp was, too. I just fell in line and tried to do my part in highlighting the obvious contrast between a fascist old guy and just an old guy who means well. It’s why they took the debate in the first place because Biden’s numbers have been on a steadily downward slope even without major Republican spending.
I’ve heard similar, in a critical battleground state no less from the likes of my one uncle. Obama->Trump->Biden->Undecided/Leaning-Trump. :))
How the fuck can you go from Obama to Trump? Isn’t that like getting out of a Spike Lee joint and going “Can’t wait to tell the fellas at the Klan meeting about this awesome picture!”
Stress Project 2025, and show them THIS - https://vxtwitter.com/JDVance1/status/1511311385543815180 This ad was the moment I knew that Vance was a disgusting human being who needs to be nowhere near the White House.
I can’t believe they actually aired an ad that asks if I hate Mexicans with “Yes” being the answer the ad was not only expecting, but actively hoping for
Biden does one thing wrong. And that is Gaza. There is a shit ton he has done right:
Supreme Court reform
Student loan debt relief
Healthcare reform
Renewable energy act
Banking reform
Agriculture subsidies to be ecological
Helping local farms
Weed restriction reclassification
Tech privacy restrictions
Making medicare more accessible
Veteran affairs
And quite a few more. Give credit where credit is due. He’s worked hard for us.
Supreme Court reform? Did Clarence get the boot without anyone noticing? Are there more than 9 now?
I think it was yesterday he filed for term limits? As well as an ethics code? It’s still early. But it’s a step in the right direction.
A toothless, self imposed ethics code, and he sat on term limits for 3 years
He’s asking for congress to impose the ethics code. I believe the people on NPR politics called the democrats handling of the Supreme Court for the last 50 years political malpractice. Only makes sense they would chose the least impactful route to try to fix it, 50 years too late.
Sanctioning and providing material support for a genocide is not in the same category as any of these things.
Sanctioning and providing material support for a genocide is not in the same category as any of these things.
Why pick that and why pick that now, this time? Why not before? Why not other genocides? Is it because you look good in a keffiyeh?
“Why do you care about the Gaza’s genocide” is telling on yourself
“Why do you care about the Gaza’s genocide” is telling on yourself
Allow me to spell it out for you:
“Why do you care about the genocide of Palestinians NOW vs the last several decades of Israel’s apartheid state? Why do you care about the genocide of Palestinians but not of trans people in America? Why do you care about the genocide of Palestinians but not of Ukrainians?”
This shouldn’t be hard to figure out. People chose this issue now because they can afford to ignore the consequences of a Trump (or even just GOP) administration. They don’t have to deal with what happens and that fact allows them to prioritize one genocide over another.
You’re assuming a lot there about my politics, friend.
Even if Trump is defeated. Trumpism isn’t over and we ill be in a endless loop of corporatists Dems will leave us in this same situation. This is the fork in the road for Dems to actually change and voters to demand better. Time is ticking, they have to figure out the best path forward.
Trumpism is over as soon as Trump stops running for office. No one else can hold his torch. Ramaswamy and others try but they suffer from a terminal syndrome called maturity that Trump can never have. As immature as Ramaswamy pretends to be he is still a mature adult underneath it all and is incapable of behaving like Trump.
There are no educated public figures, that are supposed to be taken seriously, as immature as Trump in the entire United States. He is on a level of underdevelopment all in his own.
There is at least one other, but he was born in South Africa, so he’s not eligible to run for President.
At least he has somewhat of a medical excuse.
Ok but Dems CANT run biden again, so that will be the framing moving forward.
Biden is just one in a line of status quo. How has anyone’s life gotten better in the last 10 years? 20? 30? I’m only 36 so maybe going back 30 years is tough for me to say, but since I joined the workforce I’ve watched the rich get richer, and at the end of the day that is the battle that needs to be fought. If this is a turning point, maybe Dems put forward an actual progressive.
HILLARY!
Exactly, it is going to be awful if Trump wins but the social contract has been so thoroughly broken by austerity politics and democrats who campaign on how shitty republicans are (they are) and then don’t do shit when they get into power that I don’t think there is anything to save really if Biden refuses to step down and looses the election. The collapse was inevitable in the US, the Democratic Party would have kept only allowing older and more conservative politicians to effectively access the nomination until this very thing happened and the rest of the centrist Democratic Party would be too concerned with careerism to be the one to pull the fire alarm before it was too late.
I hate to say it, but I don’t see the point in voting for Biden if he refuses to budge on fucking virtually anything, we are going down with the ship and the sooner the Democratic Party collapses in a heap the sooner we can actually build something productive here.
A lot of people are going to suffer, but it isn’t the voters who aren’t convinced by Biden’s fault, it is the democratic parties fault for not giving us any choice but Biden type politicians and then expecting us to keep dealing with it indefinitely. Whenever progressives start to bring up concerns centrists just scream in our faces “NOW IS NOT THE TIME YOU ARE SO SELFISH” and guess what now it is wayyyyy to late for progressives to have any control or ability to save this, centrist democrats let republicans send this country off a cliff because they were too busy shaming progressives for yelling about how we were about to drive off a cliff.
We are off the cliff, sorry to all the Biden fans and centrists that have always treated me condescendingly like my views were unrealistic or naive, but y’all never listened to us and treated us like children and now we are locked into this ride. It’s your fault, not mine.
I feel like voters have gone above and beyond to get Biden to win the first time. If he really delivered or at least instilled enough confidence for people this wouldn’t be as hard. Not being Trump becomes less effective overtime when people become numb to his actions.
I can only hope things turn out decently or everyone supports each other if the bad ending happens. Everyone gets shouted down until some type of exposing moment happens like that Debate. Even Trump voters actually vote for what they believe in, even if it is lies.The problem is that Biden and Democrats won handily in 2020 by promising a path forward, but here we are 4 years later with not much path forward, just more treading water. Democrats didn’t groom or build up any new candidates, they didn’t make pushes in local government or the judiciary or any significant reforms. They’ve pushed a handful of executive actions that have been blocked and compromised badly with Republicans on so much else.
The current Democratic leadership is trying to get walked to first, but we need them to swing for the fence.
Much of that is the fault of the media having an insane and obvious bias towards Trump as well as the Biden team not shouting about what they’ve done constantly. It’s been a historically successful presidency but nobody has any fucking idea because they’re not doing anything to make sure people know about it.
The choice is between boring corporatists and 100% concentrated evil. Undecided voters are the dumbest people on the face of the Earth.
boring genocidal corporatists
What really annoys me about all these political meme/card posts is the lack of spell checking.
They’re right, but dammit, at least try to make your point look good. That would be the ideal.
Ok, since you were less snarky then the last guy I’ll fix it. But know this, im not trying bro.
Until the next one. The republicans are a looming existential threat that senior democrats do not take seriously, nor do they know how to fight.
I hope we all remember the senior democrat leadership closing ranks to keep meaningful change (sanders) out during the last primary.
Joe’s got to go.
I agree with your assessment of the problem but not necessarily your proposed solution. The problem is senior Democratic leadership, including members of Congress and powerful hidden figures in the DNC. Those are the people we definitely want to get rid of as soon as we reasonably can.
My vote will be against Trump the Pedophile, no matter who it is, but I am beyond done with the dems. I agree that Joe needs to pass the torch to someone younger.
The person who wants Biden to be the nominee the most is Trump. Notice he’s gone completely quiet on him, not blasting him for his age like some democrats are, because he knows he can win against an 81yo Biden. As soon as he’s confirmed as the nominee, Team Trump will turn around and try to make him look as old as dirt
When your opponent is making a mistake, don’t stop them.
Here’s the thing. Many of us on here agree with you, but there are many Americans who are not terminally online or politically charged as we are. Getting them to vote for an old man who is often incoherent will be difficult. We need a candidate who can get those people to actually vote, and I am not sure Biden is that guy in his current form. At the end of the day, I don’t care if it’s Biden or Harris or someone else, I just want to ensure that we put the best chance to win forward, and I am not convinced Biden is that person.
The real question we should be asking is, how do we motivate as many voters as possible, shit posting to people who have seen posts like this 700 times this week doesn’t do that.
You’ve got a choice between TWO old men who are often incoherent. Why pick the one who’s also the spawn of Satan?
His supporters aren’t rational, trump could be older and less coherent than Biden and they wouldn’t care. We can’t measure them in the same ways, as their supporters don’t look for the same things. People who will vote for trump don’t care what trump sounds like, as long as it’s trump. The people we need to show up and vote for Biden do care what he sounds like and how cogent he is.
This is the real problem we face. The problem isn’t getting people not to vote for trump, because people will, we need people to show up and vote for someone else.
Republicans win when no one shows up, Democrats win when everyone shows up. We need to make sure the candidate for the Dems is worth showing up for.
I’ve answered this one. We have to seriously hammer home how bad trump is. That doesn’t mean hit on every thing that makes him bad. Pick out the glaring ones, the ones that will impact your audience on a personal level.
Rule 1: Dont waste you’re time on trumpers but if you do just hammer home how trump and epstein are intimately connected. It won’t accomplish much but should leave every other talking point moot.
Suburban women: Trump has destroyed abortion rights and isn’t finished. They will lean heavily on the economy but just remind them Trump is responsible for more debt then any president before or after him. You can also make the appeal that the strength of the dollar is dependent on the US stability and Trump is nothing but unpredictable.
College educated: Trump is a threat to democracy. Sight how his Supreme Court Justices are running a muck.
Working class: … sorry gtg for now and watch game of thrones.
I’m just saying there is an angle to credible attack trump on every front because the main is a shit human being.
I agree. So we should all rally around a candidate who actually has a chance to beat Trump rather than blindly following some guy who’s comfortable handing over the White House as long as he, “tried his best.”
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