The amount of finger-wagging and hand-wringing over people rightfully talking shit about a guy who clearly would kill people for simply disagreeing with him or making him look bad is really pathetic. Trump deserves zero sympathy for the situation he created for himself, and the number of people who are upset at the audacity of people listening to what Trump says and responding to it accordingly is pathetic.
Jack Black, Trump would have you executed without a second thought. Kyle Gass wouldn’t.
Anyway, I’m looking forward to the sweet sweet sounds of the Kyle Gass Project. Get fucked, Jack. This ain’t it.
I guess Misunderstanding DID understand, cuz you’re not back together La La La La.
If you can’t show sympathy, are you different to him? It is possible to think he is the worst human being alive, and still realize how horrible it must be to have sex shot fired at you out of nowhere, while people around you drop dead. Don’t let his hate live on through you.
He deserves to be judged, not executed, as much as he probably likes unlawful executions.
If you can’t show sympathy, are you different to him?
I understand what you are getting at, but he doesn’t deserve sympathy. This man has directly made the world significantly worse, by inflicting and inciting violence on others. If you do not wish to get involved in a violent act in order to decrease the total amount of violence in the world, that’s perfectly reasonable. I also think it’s fine to decide that violence is not for you, and wish to have no part in it while also recognizing that violence happens in the world and sometimes the outcome of that violence is for the better or for the worse.
I personally strive to commit as little violence as possible in the world. I’m a peaceful person who wishes to uplift and care for others. But I also have very little sympathy for folks who are violent towards others, because they are actively making the world worse. In a perfect society, we could rehabilitate or humanely control/prevent this violence, but we do not live in a perfect society. I cannot be tolerant of the intolerant because it feels better to hope for their salvation. This world demands that we be intolerant of those who advocate for violence because the outcomes when we tolerate them are horrific and result in much more violence and tragedy in the world.
I agree with you, but in the eyes of many, people like US have made the world worse. I’d also argue that we all make the world worse one way or another, even if it’s just via consumption under capitalism. This is why judgement can not be subjective or street-justice. It has to fall within the social contract, even when talking about someone that has broken it. If we are truly equal, then even the worst have to be treate equally
Okay but we’re literally dealing with a person (and a group of people backing him) who have literally been positioning themselves to pull off a coup by legal mechanisms. They literally have the Supreme Court rubber stamping Trump’s immunity even though he stole classified documents, and then refused to return them, unlike every previous President who understood things like national security. Judge Cannon even dropped the case the day he became the Republican nominee, specifically citing Thomas’ concurrence in which he talked about an unrelated issue that has been repeatedly ruled on already, the issue of Special Counsel funding. They have corrupted the court system already. They also espouse a deeply hateful and hurtful ideology that isn’t above killing innocent people to achieve their ends. Trump has also made it fully clear that he plans to contest the election if he loses. They also plan on trying to use legal trickery like the fake electors just like last time, in other words, cheating. (EDIT: Honestly it’s the scariest part of JD Vance as VP. His law degree and how fucking vicious he is. He’s going to kick the ratfuckery into high gear) Trump has spoken constantly about “military tribunals” for his enemies. His former advisers readily admit they had to talk him down from killing people all the time during his previous administration.
They are literally dismantling the legal mechanisms that allow us to hold them accountable via the social contract.
Do you understand how what you’re suggesting doesn’t work in those circumstances?
How are we able to treat them equally and equitably when in the process of trying to do that, we allow them to dismantle the very systems that give us the power to do so? The only result after that is for us to be under their boot, and that point, they don’t care about things like justice and will stomp that boot on our face… forever. They’ve made it clear they only care about power, going back a long time.
We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do. -Karl Rove
I don’t get what argument you’re making. Because our enemy would behead us, let’s behead them first? If that sounds better to you than Trump’s “retribution”, sure. But to me it’s retribution with extra steps, not justice.
We’re just saying Trump doesn’t deserve sympathy and Kyle Gass doesn’t deserve ostracism for a bad joke.
You’re the one arguing that we need about how we need to treat them equitably. I just am responding to your argument. I certainly don’t think we should be advocating extra-judicially assassinating Trump, but we could stop playing these games where we act in any way that these people are acting in good faith and start actually treating the corrupt parts of the legal system like they are, at the very least. Fuck, we could have done that twenty, thirty years ago, too.
We’re four months out from this, from real despotism truly coming to roost in the US, the real issue is the fact that it’s even gotten to this point at all.
So argue all you want about equitable treatment, but all any of us were saying was it was a dumb thing that Jack turned on a friend of decades over this, all because Kyle spoke his mind in a joking fashion, especially because of how violently retributive Trump is. He has made it his whole personality and cult for nearly a decade now. It’s exhausting. It wears people down. I forgive them for running out of patience with it. It doesn’t mean we actually think that Trump getting shot by some crazed gunman is the best solution. It does mean, though, that sometimes, because of the mountains of undue stress that Trump causes people, they might get fed up and say something stupid, sinking to Trump’s level. I’m willing to forgive that. That’s all I’m arguing, which is why it’s so confusing that you came in here to argue that if we show no sympathy we’re no different than Trump.
You said yourself man: I’m arguing for treating everyone equally. If you don’t like that, sure bro, you do you. I’m sure you’ll find a million ways to justify treating people differently, just like those you hate so much do.
Learn about fascism. Please. If we don’t stop this before it’s too late (might already be), we are in for a very very bad time.
I truly don’t think most people can grasp just how fucked we will be if the Republican party accomplishes its stated goal of “dismantling the administrative state.”
It will be interesting to see how they pin it on the left when all these idiotic welfare -receiving Trump voters inevitably lose their benefits.
Unfortunately, we will never have a fair election or peaceful transfer power ever again if he wins.
are you different from him?
Yes. Unequivocally. 100%. Without doubt. As is the would-be assassin.
Good job. You know how to read literally.
I absolutely agree. I did however listen to the audio of him gloating over the attack on Nancy Pelosi and her husband and it made me sick. I could never celebrate violence but I have a little less anger for those who are striking out at Trump.
I can sympathize with him and also wish him dead. Although from a strictly political strategy standing I wish he had merely lost his vision so that he’d lose the ability to win the presidency without becoming a dead saint to the Republican voters. That bullet that hit his ear had a good chance of taking out his visual cortex if he hadn’t have looked over.
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Yeah, Trump would murder anyone and not give a damn.
I wouldn’t though, and I suppose jack Black wouldn’t either. If you care about that, then uoincant be a hypocrite and say “unless it’s for my enemy”
Why is it so hard to understand that condemning this shooting isn’t about supporting Trump, its about this shit shouldn’t be happening, even if the guy asks for it.
If you don’t condemn this Trump shooting then you want mexican elections where basically the winner is the one that managed not to get shot
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Been awaiting for this comment. 100% agree.
I’ve heard figures as high as 390 million. I’m pretty sure there are more guns than people in the US.
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This is so silly.
We’ve heard this shit over and over in the ten years since Trump became a candidate. Violence is who we are, and it doesn’t suddenly become inappropriate because Trump got a smidgen of his comeuppance.
I think people who have a media based existence have to be more mindful of this kind of thing, because, like it or not, appropriate or not, it can have very serious effects on their livelihoods.
We all suffer a bit of this at work. There are things we avoid saying to our coworkers, bosses, customers and clients, etc. What is and isn’t okay to say changes based on the nature of our employment. I can’t tell my boss he’s a stupid sac of shit for mismanaging a product launch in spite of my recommendations. For Tenacious D, it very much can be shit like this.
Uhh, not touring as Tenacious D anymore means a lot less money for Jack Black.
If he’s trying to save his movie career, it shows that he valued his career more than his friend.
Black isn’t hurting for money, his net worth is reportedly $50 million, he’s been in tons of shit lately, and Tenacious D has been touring off and on for over a decade. He’s 54 years old, he could just retire entirely on this kind of money at that age.
Weak excuse.
Yah I agree it’s a weak excuse and that Black probably has enough cash.
But I also imagine the reasoning behind this response is prolly something close to what I posted.
I can understand a minimum wage worker not risking their livelihood over expressing antifascist sentiment in the workplace, but that doesn’t apply to a well known multi-millionaire with a large global platform.
He is saying loud and clear - his millions and his fame, only one of which he is at risk of losing over expressing his opinion (E: and even then, he’d get plenty of notoriety to replace it if he actually found some self respect), are more important to him than taking a stand against fascism.
his millions and his fame, only one of which he is at risk of losing over expressing his opinion
You’re forgetting a third one: his life. The gun nuts are out there, and going up on a stage every night is exposing oneself to those gun nuts.
I chose to believe he is being honest about why he cancelled the tour, and it wasn’t because “I agree with my buddy, and we’re going to stay out of the limelight for a short minute to stay safe”, but because “my buddy wants a fascist dead, and I can’t be seen to agree”.
I also find it fucking hilarious that people seriously think anyone is going to target this guy (or that he doesn’t already have/ can’t afford security), when there are significantly bigger targets out ther.
I’m not saying that it’s likely, just that it is more likely following this event. And yeah, this is absolutely showing that Jack Black is either spineless, or he’s a moderate that truly believes we can defeat fascism by simply getting out the vote. Neither reflects positively on him, but then, I wasn’t looking to Jack Black for political theory.
If voting against fascism isn’t good enough, what do you suggest?
Because brawling in the streets against guys who live in trailer parks hasn’t worked either.
I mean, it would be like looking to, say, Jack Black’s fellow Mr. Show alumni Jay Johnston for political theory.
Yah I think that’s a fair judgement as well
That makes a bit more sense.
it doesn’t suddenly become inappropriate
downpunxx was not saying that it was inappropriate. They’re saying that the current political temperature is high, and as a public figure, Gass’s comment could put a target on Tenacious D as “woke liberals ruining America”. Right now, that’s a dangerous label to have if you aren’t anonymous on the internet, and doubly so if you were planning on spending a lot of time in front of audiences over the next few months. Even if the chance of a violent event only went up from 0.1% to 0.5%, canceling is just the smarter move. Why risk it?
I mentioned this to my partner and they were like
“Was it in public?”
Yea… during a show…
“Think he might agree but this is for like… safety? Like, people know where they’re gonna be for the next couple months and might retaliate?”
That thought never crossed my mind.
Yeah, what the fuck happened to As Long As There’s A Record Deal We’ll Always Be Friends?
There’s still a record deal, Jack.
This seems like an attempt to do damage control - I’d assume Jack Black and Kyle Gass have extremely similar views on trump. Also, they do comedy - saying outrageous shit is kind of the name of the game.
Fuck Jack Black, why can’t we have one good person. Stand by your lifelong friend.
Kinda makes you glad you live a normal life where you can say normal things without it being an issue.
The wealth would be nice, tho.
Lame reaction.
IMO being opposed to civil war in the US and taking that seriously is a legitimate position.
How un-fuckin-punk
Jack Black is a stand-up guy. If anyone is condemning him for this, then they either don’t know his character or are just being silly. He’s always been about doing the right thing. He doesn’t support trump, but he also doesn’t want to end up with a shooting at one of their shows.
Every single story I’ve read/ watched with him makes it clear that he’s just a good guy all around.
People are forgetting there’s nuance to this kind of thing. He doesn’t want to cancel the shows. They obviously love playing music, or they wouldn’t be doing shows anymore. They have tons of cash they don’t need more. This is purely trying to keep the band, the people that work for the band, everyone at the venues, etc, safe.
How in the hell is this shit stopping a shooting at his show? Or for that matter why would he end up with a shooting? Americans are fucking idiots, you have full blown nazi shits explicitly calling for murder but a fucking joke on a fucking concert is a problem? It’s like the nipple issue, kill people all you want but holy shit we can’t have fucking nipples
You kind of answered your own question there. People can be unstable and crazy sometimes. Tenacious D will likely resume their shows after the election once things have calmed down. Given enough time, people will hopefully forget about this moment and move on.
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yeah i honestly don’t think he did it because he hated what kyle said; i think he did it out of safety.
Other dude said “Don’t miss next time” in response to a Jack Black giving him a birthday present and asking what he wished for.
<3 patriot
Some might say that Jack Black is a cunt even
i was worried kyle gass was going to be a maga.
then i realised he was just really based. <3
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Seems like a jabloverreaction.
You can’t cage the Rage Kage.
