Jesus christ, firing blanks is still dangerous. If there is an obstruction in the barrel it can still act like a projectile.

This is omitting the detail that members of the crew had brought up safety concerns about the firearms handlers and production went on.

They had an inexperienced armorer on set raising all sorts of red flags, production was made aware, show went on.

Baldwin is on set when many producers probably weren’t. He’s got his fair shame of blame in this, and the armorer as well.

Also, look at the first minute of a major Hollywood movie; there are often a dozen companies involved. I remember one wrestling show that seemed to have more producers than wrestlers involved.

you sign papers saying your responsible for things as a producer. to be a parent you just have sex.

They should be. Is that your point? That they should be, because I think any sane person would agree.

If you’re arguing that the responsible parties in this incident shouldn’t be prosecuted because another person is getting away with manslaughter… well that’s a bit silly isn’t it?

I can’t tell what your intentions are, because nuance is hard via text

Yes they should be, now leave the non sequitur discussion derailing nonsense at the door and stay on topic. Parents being irresponsible dumbasses has nothing to do with a film exec directing his crew to cut safety corners to save a quick buck.

It sounds like you are saying that unless we prosecute EVERY OTHER case on this issue, we should just forget about it?

Not really relevant for this topic though

If a worker dies in a factory line while following instructions, we would all agree that owners of the factory should be held responsible. I don’t see why that concept is so difficult to grasp here and so many people are trying to defend Alec Balwdin. The filming set is a workplace and someone died through no fault of their own, but rather by the conditions set by the owners of this production. There were complaints on set about the safety conditions before this incident happened and it seems that nothing was done to mitigate it. Everyone is trying to throw the armorer under the bus, but she was hired and vetted by management, and even after complaints nothing was changed.

It was somewhat the same with smoking. We were able to ban smoking from workplaces decades ago by virtue of worker protections and the known health impact. However even today your kid’s lungs have no such protection

I thought he was working on a scene and not “goofing around” when the incident occurred. Was he actually just playing with the “prop” gun?

Great catch. Yep Chat GPT made him up 🤷🏻 I’ll edit the original post.

Are you seriously asking? Did you ever see the things Trump used to tweet during those SNL performances? Have you seen any right wing commentary? Hell no they’re not third graders, when my kids were in third grade they were thoughtful, empathetic people who could follow basic logic, compromise, and lose gracefully.

Adults with a mental capacity of 3rd graders.

Nah, she brought real bullets for shooting tin cans during downtime.

Even worse then, she is directly responsible for not making them blanks.

You might be getting confused with the circumstances around Brandon Lee’s death on the set of the Crow, which makes sense since that has been a hot topic when discussing the situation on Rust’s set. As I understand it, in the case of Lee’s death, they had taken live rounds and “converted” them to dummy rounds by removing the bullets, dumping out the gunpowder from the cartridge, and then reinstalling the bullets. However, they did not remove the primer from the cartridges, because they wanted the bottom of the cases to look pristine for shots where the revolver was loaded.

At some point, one of these “dummy” (but still very much not inert, thanks to the primer) rounds was accidentally fired. Because they had removed the propellent, only the primer detonated. This provided enough force to dislodge the bullet from the case, but not enough to expel it out the barrel. No one checked the barrel before a blank was loaded into weapon for the scene where Lee’s character was shot. Blank detonated, dummy bullet is dislodged, Lee is killed.

So, while both productions are staggering examples of safety protocol failures on film sets, the circumstances are differ in the details.

Why do they call him the bullet dodger?

Ta ta ta (we love the triple tap)

I mean AKs are an exception due to just how prevalent they are.

Easier to buy a shitload of what’s already been made than create manufacturing for something else.

This is pretty much 8mm, which is widely used in blank guns already.

Then you’d want it in every style of weapon, including historical

Well while that’s a pretty great video, it’s definitely not “indistinguishable”.

I mean, you are correct that it can be made indistinguishable, but this youtube skit ain’t that, although it’s pretty fucking hilarious.

Gus has fuckin mastered the cigarette-hanging-out-of-your-mouth-while-you-talk thing

True. I guess they don’t do it because they’d basically need 1 nonstandard “blank only” variant for each actual caliber, otherwise the bigger gas/blowback-operated guns might have some trouble cycling ?

If nothing else, recoil.

That’s not really what BFAs do, at least not the models I’ve used. You seem to imply that weapons with BFAs fitted are still firing real rounds, which are rendered safe by hitting the adapter. That’s not true. They are firing blanks, which are cartridges with the bullet and some of the powder removed. Pull the trigger, you get a pop, a flash, and some smoke. Yay!

Pull the trigger again though, and you’re very likely to have a misfire because the next round failed to feed from the magazine to the chamber. This is because most semi or fully automatic weapons use some of the energy of a fired round to cycle the action which expels the spent cartridge and feeds a fresh round into the firing chamber. When you fire a real bullet, it actually acts as something of a plug in the barrel for the very brief period of time it travels through it. This allows the pressure to overcome the resistance of the weapon’s action, and thus operate.

When you fire a blank, there’s no bullet. No bullet means no plug, which means that all of the gas from the explosion just rushes right out the end of the barrel and is not enough to cycle the gun. This, you have to manually run the action, turning your scary big black assault rifle into a quaint bolt action rifle.

So, how do you solve this problem? You make your own plug and stick it on the end of the barrel to redirect all of the energy through the weapon system rather than expelling it. That’s a all a BFA is, a metal post matched to the diameter of the barrel that screws into place to plug it. This has the additional positive of preventing anything from exiting the barrel accidentally while firing blanks, which is useful in the training contexts that you often see these devices, because you’re often “firing” on other people.

If you were to use a BFA in the manner you describe, i.e. with a real bullet, you’re certainly going to damage the shit out of your weapon, and possibly wind up in the Emergency Room because you caught some metal splinters in the face when the end of your weapon exploded.

“no need to glorify gun violence” definitely implies “stop making any movies depicting guns at all”