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    Too young for the concept of doing work in exchange for something? No, I don’t think so. There’s no minimum age to learn how to do something, for the most part, if the interest is there.

    However, those lower-wage jobs tend to be where a lot of the worker rights abuse tends to happen, and I absolutely think it’s way too young for them to realize if/when it’s happening, or to be in a position to properly defend themselves if they do. Sure, parental guidance and all, but let’s say my experience working with all kinds of parents in day camps, as a ski instructor and in elementary schools, didn’t make me very optimistic about a lot of them really being in a position to protect their children at work.

    I’ve also honestly yet to really see it happening where it has 0 impact on their schooling, but that’s rather anecdotal…

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      Plus it is going to most affect families too poor to speak up and children of abusive parents who would force them to work

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    Is 13 to young to work? Is 65 too early to retire? Are you spending too much time on hobbies?

    I want to leave this planet.

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      Isn’t a baby playing with blocks them showing their want to work?

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    I started working full time during the summer the year I turned 13. I was working for my family’s company and my safety was always the most important thing.

    In the current environment of the exploration of workers I feel that it is unacceptable for children to work for any company other than a family company or a small company that will not exploit them and that will protect them.

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      a small company that will not exploit them and that will protect them.

      Cute that you believe this

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        Small companies vary widely in their morals. The best ones might indeed protect and teach, rather than exploit, a young worker. The worst ones . . . are worse than any large company, and you can’t always tell from outside which type you’ve got. And family companies can be just as bad as any other small company, alas.

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          I am sure some employees of mega corps also happy with their treatment too

          The point being is that it is an exception to the general savagery of “legal persons”

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        It’s got to be stressful to be so cynical. I’m sorry.

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          Remember that this was YOUR family’s company. Family businesses writ large definitely don’t have a good reputation as far as their non-relative workers are concerned. At least with a megacorporation you can expect some guardrails that will limit their abuses.

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            Like the mega corporations that have children cleaning equipment at night in abattoirs?

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            megacorporation you can expect some guardrails that will limit their abuses

            i would not expect that tbh but yeah megacorps are serious about managing their liability, they will generally avoid crime unless they can get away with it.

            most small biz owners are too stupid to understand liability so they just do as they please which is generally either a crime or breach of various civil laws and regulations.

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          At least I know who I am deal with and able to fight the good fight

          It is a lot harder being fucked while living a delusion IMHO

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            You seem really dedicated to being miserable. That really sucks for you.

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      Agreed in pricipal because family businesses are frequently how knowledge is passed from generation to generation, but family and small businesses can also exploit and not protect children and still need oversight on safety.

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      Keep that US bullshit out of this country!

      You may need to understand the American influence that caused the backlash among the WestJet mechanics with their strike, this week.

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    “Are 13 year olds too young to exploit monetarily?”

    “Are 13 year olds too young to take on the glorious privilege of earning their own money?”

    Hey look, it’s propaganda in action, right there on the CBC.

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      “Are 13 year olds too young to exploit monetarily?”

      Is 13 too young to work? A Saskatchewan proposal has reignited debate around kids and labour

      Was it hard to quote the actual headline or is it a matter of making the narrative you are attempting to push stronger?

      Reading the article helps as well.

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        Remember, it’s only bad when “The Media” does it.

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    Billionaires don’t work. Why should children?

    Let kids focus on their studies. We need a better educated population, not one where people are trained to work mindless jobs where corporations pay you the least amount possible.

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      We need a better educated populated

      Conservative politics don’t poll well with educated people. An educated population is the very last thing Shmoe needs

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      Work is a practical teacher of the value of money, how to work together with people, and how to deal with an actual meaningful authority structure.

      School has no way to teach the first, does not realistically teach the second, and makes any lessons with respect to the third meaningless between “no kid left behind”, the countless second chance opportunities given for breaking rules, and the fact that there’s no effective punishments offered for breaking rules.

      I think many issues with young people (including my age and a little older) is that a lot of them don’t work until after highschool and have massive struggles with the transition of both having to work and being treated as an adult at the same time.

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        Maybe the issue is the fucking terrible toxic work culture and not the fact that young people are starting to work later in life?

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          Between all the progressive ideals that have been forced down our throats over the past few decades and it becoming socially unacceptable to do things like smoke and drink at work, I’d say we work in some of least toxic work cultures to date.

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            If you step on a small sack of shit or a slightly smaller sack of shit, your shoes still smell like shit.

            In the US, wage theft is fucking big, the biggest part of the pie in its category.

            In the current work culture, your employer will try to fuck you over if that means they get a cent more.

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            Toxic work culture also means dishonest management expectations, wage theft, and generally anti-employee policies.

            For example, around 2-3 years ago I heard a fun story about why my old employer lost 3/4 of their IT team(MSP, their product was IT folks). The straw that broke the camel’s back was a management partner asking an employee “are you letting your family get in the way of your job?” This was because they couldn’t get this person to work overtime on the spot because they weren’t going to leave their kid’s sports game.

            At that same employer, about 7 years ago, I was told I would have to start my day at the customer’s job site at or before 8AM, and I wouldn’t be compensated for my travel time because “everyone has a commute, buddy”. Problem was, my customers were often over an hour away, and they were going to bill the customer for my travel time anyway.

            There’s certainly still toxic work cultures, and while I am glad you seemingly haven’t had to experience it as much recently, you shouldn’t discount other’s struggles just because you aren’t experiencing the same thing.

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        Um … you want permanent punishments for 13 year olds? That is sick, my friend. Do jobs teach teamwork better than ice hockey or D&D? That is a claim you could make, but maybe we don’t believe you. Remember, life is long, and expecting kids to learn adult lessons is at odds with psychology and reality.

        High schools get jobs and learn that the assistant manager is always an asshole. Useful to know. But there’s no rush to figure it out, is there?

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    “labour shortage”

    When adults are sick and tired of being paid peanuts to work a back breaking 40 to 50 hour job.

    Corporations: So why not look to children who are too inexperienced to understand how much their labour is really worth…?

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    How about having a controversial debate about how much companies, corporations and business owners should pay employees in any job in order to make it so that everyone is capable of paying to keep themselves alive, fulfilled and happy.

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    Look guys Canada is doing America again

    Why would these little turds NOT make daddy some mother fucking money tho?

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    okay, let me ask the real question:

    • do they also get paid at the same standard(minimum wage, benefit, etc) like other worker?
    • do they also get CPP/EI contribution from employer? And can they take EI benefit when laid off?
    • do they also get to contribute to RRSP/TFSA? TFSA is after 18 currently, so they can’t even save their wage compare to other adult workers.
    • when they do perform well, will they get evaluated and promoted the same way? ie, a 15 yo manager at fast food chain and paid the same wage as a manager.
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      I started working at 14 (in Ontario). For my first job:

      • No, there is a “student wage” that is less than minimum wage
      • EI yes, CPP no
      • No
      • Only if there are promotions available at the part-time level (my “promotion” increased my pay by $0.50)

      After 2 years of working there, I got a $0.05 raise. Yes, 5 cents. The biggest increase in my pay came when the minimum wage was increased in Ontario, which also increased the student wage.

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        Exactly, without proper protection and equality for same performance/quality of work, it’s just pure exploitation.

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        Since this post is about Saskatchewan, I’ll add that Saskatchewan doesn’t have a student wage, just one minimum wage.

        It also happens to be about $1.20 less than Ontario’s student wage. I like my province, but man does it have its issues.

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            I would have, but my first minimum wage-type job was after high school. I didn’t make enough to pay into CPP, but I don’t know if that’s a universal truth for younger workers or just because I didn’t work more than 10 hours a week.

            Also fun fact, going back go my original comment about wage: Saskatchewan’s October increase to its general minimum wage won’t catch up to Ontario’s current student wage. Things are cheaper here, yes, but things aren’t (much if any) cheaper in Saskatoon or Regina than in London.

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              Is Regina at least better to live in? London is the armpit of Ontario. I hated it there, lol. But there is an excellent shawarma place near the college (Hadi’s).

              Edit: Just found out Hadi’s is closed and there’s a new shawarma place there now. :( Hope Hadi is doing well.

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                I’m probably not the best person to ask. I’ve never lived in Regina, but from visiting it’s similar to Saskatoon, except it has a man-made lake instead of a nice river valley. It’s a nice enough city, but it’s also clearly a government town. As for London, I’ve never been. I have family there, and part of my family moved to Saskatchewan from London over 100 years ago.

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      “We clearly haven’t made the working class desperate enough yet. Let’s have immigrants and students fight over jobs to make everything even nastier!”

      I’m sure this won’t in any way result in a huge cohort of angry underemployed young people. No siree.

      I’m also starting to think that businesspeople aren’t the Galtian ubermenchen that they think they are, given that they by and large can’t plan more than six months in advance.

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    Schooling is mandatory until 18. Any other activity has to not interfere with that. Beyond that, do what ye will.