• WraithGear@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Sounds a lot like sunken cost fallacy. We might be better off making other allies.

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      6 months ago

      The president role is 7 years. Knesset seat is 4 years. Would you give up decades of relationship building for one presidential term?

      Also how often would you switch allies if they commit genocide defined by the Genocide Convention?

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        6 months ago

        Over an active genocide? I would immediately end a friendship with a country and as many times as it takes to not be responsible for enabling a genocide. Allies don’t let allies commit genocide, everyone knows that. Besides it takes more than a president to do a genocide.

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          6 months ago

          How much time needs to pass before a genocide is no longer an “active genocide”?

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            6 months ago

            I knew this would come up, which is why i specified this. Might as well as cut the head off the “every country has committed genocide at some point” argument. Not every country is actively committing genocide, Israel is. America is their chef supplier of power. America is actively Shielding them from the consequences of committing genocide.

            So we should stop backing a country that is actively committing genocide full stop. No money, no weapons, no blocking sanctions, no threatening countries and organizations trying to help the victims. This is the literal bare minimum, as we should be sanctioning them, we should be guaranteeing humanitarian aid to Palestinians.

            When is it not an active genocide? When the genocide stops.

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              6 months ago

              Let’s say we stopped being allies with them and stopped funding. So if they stop tomorrow, then the US should have them as allies again?

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                6 months ago

                Possibly, at that point it would be based on trust that the administration would not continue genocide actions. If Israel changed the ruling party and immediately stopped their genocide then that would be the fastest means to return. I have issues with the land grab into Palestine for the same reason i side with Ukraine. But genocide gives me more than just issues.

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                  6 months ago

                  Okay you have an issue with the land grab so you stop being allies with Israel. They won’t stop the genocide. Israel will continue with the weapons they already have. Now they think they absolutely need to take over Palestine because they can’t have neighbors that are controlled by Hamas.

                  Was that the right choice? Should the US stop the genocide by sending troops and money to government of Palestine? Maybe the money that was intended for Israel?

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                    6 months ago

                    That sounds like an abusive relationship to me, regarding Israel. But if we could not stop Israel from committing genocide no matter what, then i would have us not enable it. If they have the resources available to commit genocide without our help, then they don’t need our help covering their defense, economy, nor political sway either.

                    Would actively sending our money and troops to Palestine to attack Israel be the correct play? It’s not so cut and dry as the Ukraine/ Russia war. But that money could go tword humanitarian efforts in Palestine, i am not so much concerned about the Palestinian government as i am the Palestinian people.