• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    Heaven forbid we try running charismatic candidates like Obama and Bill…

    Like, it’s insane to me that everyone seems to be aware of what wins elections, but the people running the Dem party just keep insisting we need to shut up and vote for someone very few people actually want.

    Like, we can’t do this without the voters, they’re the irreplaceable part.

    We can get different people to run the party, or just coalesce around another.

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      1 month ago

      Democrats need to fall in love. Republicans just need to fall in line.

      It’s like you read the meme and went yep, totally their fault. I’m ok with my life gets shittier until I fall in love with a politician. It’s not my fault. I am owed this.

      Is there a term for the political version of an incel?

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        1 month ago

        Yes. It’s called a political agitator.

        This user canvases lemmy threads with anti Biden and anti Dem strawman arguments completely out of context of the thread. Every thread calling out Republicans for bullshit, this user is there never acknowledging how terrible the GOP is, and going straight into anti dem whataboutism.

        Just look at the sheer number of comments this user posts daily. And search the mod logs for deleted comments on this user.

        If they’re not being paid to disenfranchise progressive voters into abstaining from this election, they should look for a sponsor because they’re working for free.

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          100%. You hardly ever see these people in any posts critical of Trump, though the few that you do see, just turn it around on Biden.

          They’re clearly here to disrupt the election.

          Just ask them who they’d put in Biden’s stead that has a remote chance to win the election. I do this all the time. So far- NONE have provided a viable name. Not one. Just backtracking, ad hominem, and doublespeak nonsense.

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            Your car has a blown head gasket. It still turns over, but the check engine light is always an on the oil looks like peanut-butter.

            You need to drive 100 miles to get to the airport tomorrow. All the indications you have suggest your car isn’t going to make it. Every piece of reliable data you have says its not going to work. Historically, people have tried to use cars like this to get to the air port, it doesn’t work. You have friends and family members with cars would happily drive you to the airport. You could even just borrow their car. Technically you haven’t decided what car to drive to the airport yet; this actually doesn’t happen till you and your family have a group call tonight. You have alternatives.

            Biden is the car. Literally any generic Democrat is the car of your friends or family. The group call is the convention.

            You are insisting on a strategy that is going to hand Trump the election. When it does, we’ll be pointing to these posts of yours.

            Insisting we run Biden when we haven’t had a convention and literally every Democratic governor polls higher is you insisting we lose this one.

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              Biden is not a car. He’s a presidential candidate. I suggest you take this shit seriously. Because pouting and withholding your vote because you’re not getting what you want is going to get you EVERYTHING you don’t want. And it is going to hurt a LOT of people.

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                You are the one not taking it seriously. I watched Kerry fail to Bush. I watched Clinton fail to Trump.

                Biden won in 2020 in spite of being Biden. It’s 4 years later and he’s become a worse candidate. This candidate can’t win.

                You need to take this shit seriously instead of insisting on a strategy that guarantees us Trump.

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                  Okay. I think we’re done here man. I have drawn out your bad argument about as good as I think I can. You’ve made it pretty clear that you’re not here in in any capacity of good faith and at this point it’s pretty clear what you’re up to.

                  You managed to not only lie to yourself, but you’ve backed that lie up with false data created by… yourself. That’s some inception-level cognitive dissonance.

                  I’m not going to block you, but I’m done talking to you. So… have the last word.

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                  I’m just gonna stick to pointing out one particular lie. Not the most obvious or egregious one, but definitely the funniest one.

                  I watched Kerry fail to Bush.

                  HAHAHAHAHA THE FUCK YOU DID

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              This is a fantastic metaphor but I’m afraid it’ll be lost on Blue MAGA.

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          "Everyone I disagree with is an agitator, now shut the fuck up about candidates earning their votes and do as you’re told because ONLY WE can save the country from fascist policies (even though Biden is doing half of it himself!)

          No theres nothing fascist about that attitude or our incessant need to spread misinformation about anyone who thinks Biden sucks, SHUT UP AND FALL IN LINE OR ELSE!"