Howdy folks,
We’re launching c/CommunityRequests to combat a growing issue on Lemmy.ca in general, which is unmoderated communities. What this will do is allow you to apply to take over an unmoderated community by posting in c/CommunityRequests a request to take the community over. Ultimately we decided to steal the system used on Reddit, but with some modifications to make it a bit more fair to users submitting requests.
Our initial guidelines are as follows:
- A community will be considered unmoderated if the moderators have not interacted with the community for over a month.
- Users may request communities where no moderators are interacting with the community.
- Moderators within the community may ask to have the top mod replaced if the top mod is inactive, but other moderators are still active.
- In both cases, moderators have 5 days to appeal the request. If no appeal is received within the time-frame, the request will be granted by the Admin Team to the requestor.
- Requests made in bad faith will be rejected. For example, requesting a community you have been permanently banned from for justified reasons, or requesting a community in order to completely change the purpose of it for the worse.
These guidelines may be adjusted a bit as time goes on. This is a new system and we’re going to need to try things for a bit to see if they work or not.
In any event, feel free to start using the community immediately. Please give us feedback on your thoughts and ideas!
Cheers, Ms. SourCreamAndGarlic
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I think the one month with no moderator activity should only be applicable if there is other user activity in the community during that month. For small, specific, and (so far) very quiet communities I think a month of no moderator activity if there’s no activity at all yet doesn’t make much sense.
In some cases, communities are set to be moderator-only, which is to say that only moderators are allowed to post in them. As well, we want to avoid community squatting by power moderators (think 20+ communities with no interactions) who create communities so they can keep controlling them later on when people suddenly start using them. This was the bane of Reddit’s existence, and something we don’t want to have propagate over to Lemmy.ca under any circumstances.
Regardless, this is why we have the 5 day window for moderators to respond to let us know what’s going on, so we can get that context. Ultimately we don’t want to reassign a community unless it’s obvious that the user moderating it has no interest in actively moderating, or is holding onto it in bad faith.
Thanks for contributing. These are perspectives we want to keep in mind.
My only suggestion would be to maybe make the window a little longer. While I use Lemmy a lot (and I used Reddit a lot too), I can see 5 days being too little for some people who are busy with work to write up a proper explanation.
At the same time, I guess there is a question about how well moderated a community is if no one checks in for 5 days. Could you have it so that the request needs to be acknowledged within a week, but a proper explanation has a longer window?
I think that’s a good policy honestly. It at least shows effort that you want to keep the community to send a message saying you’d like to keep it before giving a detailed explanation. The 5 days is definitely more of a “we’ve heard nothing from this user at all.” That 5 days is still up to be workshopped a bit, we’re just trying this as an opening standard.
Realistically, I think if somebody sent a message saying “I’m still willing to be active and run the community” we’d take them at their word and consider that request to take over a community as denied if it were an outside user. Somebody can always request it again if they don’t make an effort to moderate the community after that, and we’d notice if there were a pattern of them saying they’d moderate the community and then not following through.
For top mod removals it’s a bit more complex and we’d want a more detailed answer regardless, but I think a response of “Hey I’m busy this week but I can message you Monday next week” is reasonable.
That sounds good, thank you :)
Well thought out. Thank you for this.
I guess there is a question about how well moderated a community is if no one checks in for 5 days.
This is exactly where the 5 days comes from.
The issue we’re facing is there are some active communities that are getting reports where the current moderators are not active, not dealing with reports, and not responding to communication from admins.
While it’s workable on a small scale, as admins we shouldn’t be defacto relief moderators, and really shouldn’t be enforcing any community specific rules.
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In some cases, communities are set to be moderator-only, which is to say that only moderators are allowed to post in them.
Sure. That would definitely be an exception to what I said.
As well, we want to avoid community squatting by power moderators (think 20+ communities with no interactions) who create communities so they can keep controlling them later on when people suddenly start using them.
Absolutely. But, again, that doesn’t seem to be applicable to my point.
This was the bane of Reddit’s existence, and something we don’t want to have propagate over to Lemmy.ca under any circumstances.
Yup, absolutely. I fully agree with you there. My concerns with the blanket application of the above suggested approach remain, however. Your concerns, which I agree with, are not really emergent from them, and don’t appear to address them.
Regardless, this is why we have the 5 day window for moderators to respond to let us know what’s going on, so we can get that context.
Yup, that might mitigate any issues. I have no issue with that.
Ultimately we don’t want to reassign a community unless it’s obvious that the user moderating it has no interest in actively moderating, or is holding onto it in bad faith.
Okay, fair enough. My concern, of course, was that an inactive community is going to have moderators removed from it for the ‘crime’ of happening to be an inactive community, or else the necessity of having a moderator post random whatever once a month to avoid this issue, which seems a bit…silly.
Thanks for contributing. These are perspectives we want to keep in mind.
You’re welcome. I honestly do get what your concerns are. I share them. Believe me. But we must be careful about the application of procedures to solve that issue.
Take a step back and a deep breath. Fediverse isn’t Reddit. Period. Hard stop.
The trauma you suffered there is not written in stone here. I hope.
I would argue that for potentially public subs, it’s the lead mods responsibility to provide that initial value to help grow the community.
If the lead mod has not done that, then the space should not be judged for not growing. It is not spaces that grow themselves, it is their users that grow them by contributing content. Starting with the founder, ideally.
The only exception I can see are subs where public participation is not the desired result.
Ok so I made /c/cats but there is already a large cat forum. Is there a way I can delete the one I created?
If you’re the creator of the community you should have a trash icon on Web that lets you delete the community.
Thank you!
how do i request will to live?
Well, there’s the [email protected] community. Start a topic there, and you could share your story so folks can hopefully help you figure some things out? (I’ll check back there soon myself, for what that’s worth.)
I’ve heard some not great things about the mods at [email protected]
Such as? Gravity of truth is on you here, as the accuaer.
https://lemmy.ml/comment/2361282
I’ve seen similar comments from other users, this was the one I was able to find before I left for work.
You know, I kept checking that board but missed the comments here. Thanks for the heads up that something might be wrong at the page I linked. I’ll look into the other possible places (or suggest the dreaded Reddit if necessary, since it seems to have supplanted the old BBS-style forum I used to use).
All good 👍
Is there a way to make c/ links clickable? Is my client (Memmy iOS) the issue or the instance? I want to subscribe, but there’s no link. Sorry if I’m just clueless; still getting my sea legs here. Thanks!
You need to format it like this: [email protected] and it will make it clickable.
You can also add a splash at the beginning, and put the domain at the end. This should automatically link on the web version of Lemmy.
That actually makes a lot of sense. Between that and Markdown it’s easy enough.
I’m not sure if there’s a way to make that happen automatically, but that’s a good point. I’ve edited the original post manually to link them to the community. :)
That worked, thank you! Subscribed.
Out of curiosity, what did you do to make it a link?
I’m using the Web UI, so I just made it a link that way. If you’re on mobile you should still be able to do that, but you may need to do it manually. The format is usually two square brackets surrounding the text you want displayed, followed by two parenthesis including the link you want it to go to.
Awesome. Thanks so much, and thank you for modding!
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I’d prefer six months rather than one month absence. It’s really not an urgent problem that can’t be dealt with less intrusively most of the time.
Six months is longer than even Reddit’s standard. We’re not going to do that.
Unfortunately it’s a bigger problem than you’d imagine it is. There are numerous fairly active committed that are essentially unmoderated at this point
One month does sound quick at first, but I think only very very exceptional cases would end up in mishap, and in those exceptional cases moderator changes can be easily reverted.
Especially when the community is quiet. I can’t just post for the sake of posting.
