Donald Trump‘s inner circle doesn’t expect the Supreme Court to go along with his extreme arguments about executive power in the immunity case before the justices. But what the high court does now is almost beside the point: Trump already won.
Three people with direct knowledge of the matter tell Rolling Stone that many of the former president’s lawyers and political advisers have already accepted that the justices will likely rule against him, and reject his claims to expansive presidential immunity in perpetuity. Bringing the case before the court — after a federal appeals court in Washington, D.C., shut down their arguments on executive power — was a delaying tactic designed to push Trump’s criminal election subversion trial past Election Day this fall. The strategy paid off so much more than MAGAworld anticipated.
“We already pulled off the heist,” says a source close to Trump, noting it doesn’t matter to them what the Supreme Court decides now.
And lawyers wonder why so many people hate them.
What a fucking disaster. :(
We know why we’re hated; it’s why those of us who strive to exemplify professionalism, ethics, and civility are so angry and depressed. It’s why I’ve been having a career crisis because I always wanted to go into law, but only to do good, and now it feels like there is so little legitimacy to the judicial branch.
Fuck the people who abuse the rule of law until there is none, fuck Trump and his cronies, and fuck SCOTUS for fucking us. Now excuse me, I have to go cry in a corner.
You can always bail. I did. That JD is wildly useful in other industries. Over a third of the people I’m still in contact with from my graduating class aren’t actively practicing anymore.
And that’s the end game for the shit bags that abuse the system. They don’t want a legitimate judicial system. It’s now about how can they gain the most money and power.
Lawyers need a Hippocratic Oath to do no harm (and hold errant lawyers accountable for malpractice) before the public will trust a lawyer.
We (lawyers) are actually already ethically obligated to serve up bad lawyers for discipline. It’s Rule 8.3, colloquially known as the duty to rat out your colleagues.
How would that even work? Do murderers not get an attorney any longer? Who’s harm should we consider? I have to represent my clients’ interests, period.
The issue with the law is the delay. If I take a civil case to trial it has usually taken 3-5 years. And five years isn’t nearly the longest case I’ve had. Spend more money, have more judges, fewer delays, but that costs money and we’ve been cutting taxes for 40+ years now.
Don’t know if you know this but Hippocratic oath is a) voluntary and b) not enforceable for people who work in medicine. Also the Hippocratic oath came from medics treating enemy soldiers on battlefields. The idea being that a medical professional wouldn’t refuse to treat someone because the patient they’re treating clashes with their personal beliefs. Modern example being a Christian nurse or Dr refusing to treat a gay patient.
Well you literally can’t enforce it. Take surgery, for example. In surgery, you must first do some harm so that you can do significantly more good.
I appreciate you. I had a good lawyer take up my wrongful termination case, back when i was idealistic.
He knew i was right, but on paper they skirted the law. He put in the work to get me unemployment & keep me housed, and he never even billed me.
Thank you for trying. I know its hard.
I knew a guy who wanted to be a lawyer for the same reasons. Got his degree and passed the bar, then quit and went back to school for biomed. He said he loved law itself, but realized he hated pretty much every coworker and every client, and he knew if he stayed in it he’d become a person he hated as well.
Mo’ like SCROTUS.
You could be a public defender, or do pro bono work. I’m sure that’d feel nice
I’m fortunate enough to be practicing in a field that does help people (though not nearly as much as I’d like…someone give me Elon’s money and then I’ll be able to make a real difference). The problem is that lawyers/judges like the ones who are handling cases like Trump’s are destroying the rule of law, the efficacy of the courts, and doing whatever they can to dismantle the very system we use to determine whether we have rights or not (dismantle it and the answer is a very clear “not”). The US legal system is already a clusterfuck with not enough budget and inequitable treatment depending on who you are; if things like precedent no longer mean anything, as SCOTUS has recently started making clear, then the legal system becomes completely unnavigable.
I like you. I prefer my lawyers to be a shield rather than a sword.
No just the bad ones.
Election Day doesn’t stop or delay anything when the politician is already indicted.
Though if he wins he could pardon himself
It would be really sick if they OK that after many justices said a self pardon wouldn’t be constitutional.
The problem is that it’s going to take years to argue this in court, years that this country quite frankly doesn’t have.
Not the point.
Yes, and the celebration over a court delay for this team expecting judicial loss - a familiar occurrence for them - will have been worthwhile…
… strictly provided that Don Snorleone wins in November.
Don Snorleone
Hadn’t heard that one yet- lol.
I’m guessing it’s one of the huge number of insulting nicknames Kimmel has used pretty much every night he’s been on the air.
Surprisingly, I’m not finding a list or supercut of them.
I’m partial to “Stinky” at the moment.
I’m using orange asshole atm 'cause when he purses those lips it’s exactly what he looks like.
I still use agent orange that spike Lee called him. I love a classic.
If there’s any point at which leftists start seriously popping off, it’s either soon or never
I mean, if Trump tries to become dictator I’ll die defending democracy and I’ll take a lot of traitors with me if I can.
What does “popping off” mean?
It’s something that only happens in Minecraft
How does playing Minecraft help? I really fail to understand you, sorry.
See, you perform certain… actions. In minecraft
We tried. They’re just not who we’re talking to, it’s fine
They’ll understand someday (outside minecraft)
Violence. It means violence.
They’re advocating for violence but specifically not endorsing it because they aren’t going to do shit.
Same with the people who are quick to jump in and say that they’ll take traitors out. If you’ve a family or kids there’s no way you’re fucking risking your life and leaving your family to mourn by playing wannabe freedom fighter. And those that don’t have a family and live in a basement would be too much of a pussy to actually go face to face with a mob or a military or a pseudo military like the cops.
You could check Urban Dictionary online, but as I understand it, pop off usually means to say or do something to great effect (such as effectively speaking truth to power). Doesn’t have to only be about speech or putting someone in their place, but it often is.
All those fucking “we need to burn the whole system down instead of voting” bastards being REAL QUIET right now
If there’s any point at which leftists start seriously popping off, it’s
either soon orneverFtfy.
If they even think for a second about trying to organize any kind of violent crime they’ll have FBI informants and surveillance all over their lives faster than they can say January 6th
FBI has been working to disrupt leftist organizing since the 50’s and earlier. If they had been putting that amount of effort into RW projects, there would be none.
Also, to whatever extent, FBI doesn’t need to disrupt leftists. They do that perfectly fine on their own.
Leftists need consensus to start moving, which takes way too long to get going, but once they do move the momentum is unstoppable.
Leftists suffer from the “No True Scotsman” syndrome.
Until the Supreme Court actually sides with his arguments.
If that does happen Biden should just have him jailed and removed from every ballot in the country, then unilaterally impeach every member of the Supreme Court who assented. Biden’s the president he can do what he wants, he has immunity
This would feel very satisfying for the moment it took me to realise that Biden had become everything I hate about Trump.
He’d have to do so much more to be everything I hate about Trump
Yeah. It would be like the ring of power, it needs to be cast into the fires of mount doom.
There’s no way Trump will survive another full term, even if he’s elected.
They said that about Bush Jr.
Nah, OP means literally survive. Have you seen that walking dust bag? No way he has another four years on this earth.
Still no VP pick, I wonder what dumpster fire will inherit the office.
You are comparing shit to diarrhea
Of course, he will just open the door for a younger, smarter vp.
Sadly likely. Hopefully one that would actually steer the ship back to ‘normal’ waters.
Unfortunately my money is on Elise Stefanik. Maybe not all of it, but like… Lunch.
Not going to happen without massive electoral reforms.
Even if they can’t try him by election day, I hope they still convict and imprison him even if he’s in office. The presidency is not blanket immunity.
Honestly, courts can move quickly if they want. I say try him quickly (after all, he has the right to a speedy trial) and let him appeal from prison, like anyone else would have to. No special treatment.
Furthermore, I hope everyone making these appears in bad also receives some kind of consequence.
Aren’t these lawyer types saying that the courts can’t really move quickly ?
The nature of bad faith is that there is no right answer.
