• JakenVeina@lemm.ee
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    So, wait, Mocrosoft is finally giving us a way to fully-disable automatic Windows Updates?

    /s

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    Full list from this comment on another thread: https://lemmy.ca/comment/8470544

    ConisioAdmin.exe (Solidworks PDM)

    EaseUS Disk Copy.exe (EaseUS Disk Copy Application)

    ep_dwm.exe (ExplorerPatcher) Included since 22H2

    iCloudServices.exe (iCloud files shared in Explorer via WhatsApp) from 23H2

    RadeonSoftware.exe (AMD GPU perf settings) from23H2

    StartAllBackCfg.exe (StartAllBack) Included since 22H2

    Multi-mon + Copilot (Microsoft)

    MergeSdb (Microsoft)

    Intel IntcOED.sys (Intel)

    Intel IntcAudioBus.sys (Intel) (%WinDir%\System32\drivers\IntcAudioBus.sys)

    Realtek 8192su Wireless USB 2.0 Adapter (Realtek) (%WinDir%\System32\drivers\RTL8192su.sys)

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      Will it stop asking me to upgrade every month if I have one of these installed? I might need to get one just for that.

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      Hmm, interesting, do these all have explorer integrations? I know even a couple year’s old SolidWorks PDM does not work with Windows 11 because of the way it integrates with Windows explorer. a couple of the other apps there modify/integrate into explorer as well.

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    This stops Windows 11 from blocking the installation and lets you get the app back onto your PC. We’re not sure if Microsoft has fixed this trick, but it’s worth a shot if you want to keep using your favorite apps.

    That’s mildly distopian.

    This prevents your car from shutting itself off when trying visit certain areas on the map. We’re not sure if car manufacturers have fixed this trick, but it’s worth a shot if you want to keep going to your favorite places.

    And only a little tiny bit adversarial.

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      This is what ive been saying about windows vs Linux for years.

      Linux isnt necessarily easy, but its collaborative and everybody’s on the same side.

      Windows is PvP, and now I’m seeing fucking Hangul characters in chat, and I’m afraid. I don’t even use it anymore.

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            Lol. :)

            My wife is Korean and I noped out of playing StarCraft when I visited her family. I also worked with a “minor-league” StarCraft player (played on Euro servers with a team) and a regular Korean guy, and it was always close when we’d do lan games at work afterhours (us normies would die off early and watch as those two duked it out).

            So yeah, I get it. Koreans are hardcore…

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    Wouldn’t it be nice if you could just keep using Windows 10 forever, and get security updates for free?

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      For reference: Debian 6 which was the current release of Debian at the time Windows 10 was released hasn’t received official security patches 2016, CentOS 6.6 stopped receiving them 2022. Mac OS X Yosemite latest update was released 2017…

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        Yeah and? Debian is free, you can just upgrade to the newer version without paying a thing.

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          And upgrades tend to be pretty stable. You can still use whatever UX you were used to before, since packages tend to stick around quite a bit.

          The issue with Win 11 is that it drastically changes hardware requirements and UX. That’s not an issue for Debian.

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            And because linux is 99% just the programs you install on it when you do upgrade to a new version you aren’t being forced into a new system. This is why distro wars are pointless.

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            No, actually, extra ads begging me to subscribe to my own computer are a cost.

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            I cannot use my win11 laptop because they removed the language bar and switching keyboard layout is impossible. Unfortunately it’s something that I do on the regular since programming in my native layout is really difficult hunting down alt+some numbers for the {} and I need letters with accents like žšć when I write something

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        Windows 10 was released on July 29, 2015, Debian 8 was released on 26 April 2015, 3 months earlier. And you are comparing it with Debian 6, released 4 years earlier? Debian 8 extended long term support reaches end-of-life 30 June 2025.

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          You are right. I misinterpreted the information on wiki page. Debian 8’s free LTS tier ended 2020 and the Extended LTS continues until 2025. Extended support is a paid service though and costs a lot more than a single Windows license. Microsoft offers a similar (also paid) service.

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        It’s comparing apples to oranges, that said, the current version of Debian is much closer to the UX of Debian 6 than windows 11 is to windows 10

        If the point of windows is you’re paying for an operating system and should then have better support than a free alternative, they should be able to push security updates, especially if they’re already committed to ensuring old windows app can still run inside new windows

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          Mac OS is Apple to oranges against windows when it comes to OS support?

          Conveniently skipped that part and focused on Debian…

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            No, it’s not apples to oranges because Mac and windows are both paid support.

            If you want to compare apples to apples, then sure, Mac is better than windows. That’s a low bar to beat though. I was comparing apples to oranges, which was a comparison in paid vs free support.

            But yes, macs desktop environment and user experience hasn’t taken half as much of a dump as windows. But they’re also based on Linux, and don’t have to make the same commitments windows does

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              macOS is not based on Linux, it’s based on FreeBSD (and other BSD) userspace and the Mach kernel. AFAIK, there isn’t any Linux code there.

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          They did provide security updates for several years longer than any competitor. Even (or especially depending on your point of view) for a company like Microsoft a user shouldn’t expect updates indefinitely at least not for the normal retail price.

          And to be clear: I also don’t want to blame any of the named Linux distros. I recently migrated an old CentOS 6 server and it was about time. Sure there were still some security updates but several software components hadn’t received updates for years and there were a lot of workarounds necessary to keep the thing in a somewhat decent and modern state.

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        windows 10 was meant to be the last version of windows, its a bit disingenuous to compare the two that way

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          Ughh i hate reading this hoax. W10 was never the last version of windows. It’s a paraphrased report of one engineer at Microsoft that said that, but it was never in any official capacity confirmed

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            The Verge asked a rep at Microsoft, and this is what they said:

            When I reached out to Microsoft about Nixon’s comments, the company didn’t dismiss them at all. “Recent comments at Ignite about Windows 10 are reflective of the way Windows will be delivered as a service bringing new innovations and updates in an ongoing manner, with continuous value for our consumer and business customers,” says a Microsoft spokesperson in a statement to The Verge. “We aren’t speaking to future branding at this time, but customers can be confident Windows 10 will remain up-to-date and power a variety of devices from PCs to phones to Surface Hub to HoloLens and Xbox. We look forward to a long future of Windows innovations.”

            So they didn’t rule out branding changes, but the changes to Win 11 seem like a pretty big change from Win 10, which seems to go against the “Windows will be delivered as a service” statement. So it’s not just that one engineer, but probably a broader push (that may have been delayed or scrapped) to push gradual updates consistently instead of larger, periodic updates. I’m no expert, but I didn’t really see much difference in how Win 10 was released vs previous versions (e.g. XP, 7, and 10 all had service packs).

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            frankly as long as my windows 10 license is valid in windows 11, i couldn’t care less.

            But you still wouldn’t find me using windows 11.

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            Wasn’t the entire point of not using “Windows 9” branding and instead going straight to “Windows 10” from 8 that they didn’t want the last version of Windows to be 9, that they preferred a nice round number.

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              No. The point was they didn’t want issues from badly written software that used a “windows 9*” string to check for 95/98

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            well the way they stopped making new windows versions after 10 (until now) seems to indicate that was the plan

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        the cool thing about debian though, you can just reinstall that shit. Or if you like flying close to the sun. Just change your apt sources. And hope nothing explodes.

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          My vps was two Debian versions late and both upgrade went super smooth. Did it fromy damn phone even.

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            i imagine it’s a bit of gamble sometimes, depends on how much software was deprecated changed or moved around, a lot can happen in a support period. Regardless spinning up a new install in an automated manner should be relatively trivial, and probably something anyone can accomplish for backup purposes.