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Capitalists would like you to believe that liberalism is the left-most edge of the economic spectrum, precisely because it is the left-most point on the spectrum that doesn’t threaten their power.
True leftism threatens the power of capitalists. Liberalism is not leftism.

  • DessertStorms@kbin.social
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    1 year ago

    I have to say, as an outsider reading this thread, you’ve played the part of the liberal perfectly.

    From admitting that capitalism is the problem straight in to offering boycotting chrome of all things (seriously, what??), and taxing the rich more as a solution (hint: they’re not), and pointing your fingers at individuals, and vocal anti capitalists no less, to say that it is their (our) fault for “giving up the fight” (again, seriously, what???).

    You not wanting to stop fighting windmills to exhaustion while you point at everything but the actual problem is literally what those in power want you to do. That is the division I suspect most people who upvoted you initial comment thought you were talking about, not the division between liberals and leftist, which as you’ve demonstrated so perfectly have completely different understandings of reality and goals for action.

    Leftists want to abolish the system entirely and build a new, better, one, because we understand that the systems we live under today are working as designed rather than being broken or having been corrupted in any way, while liberals want to play nicely within the rules set to all of us by our oppressors, and pull a surprised Pikachu face when no fundamental change to the status quo occurs. And the truth most liberals will never admit to themselves, is that they do this because they benefit from the status quo in some or many ways, and don’t want to risk being like those they can see get treated so much worse than them, but if they pretend hard enough that it’s about individual responsibility (a lie perpetuated by capitalism) they can tell themselves that’ll never be them. Because they’re playing by the rules. Set by their oppressors.

    But as the poem goes - first they came for the socialists.
    And they’re already coming for you too, the question is which side of the fence will you fall on, and your replies here imply it would be the side of capitalism.

    If this bothers you, do something about it, you can start by educating yourself:

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/14/liberalism-and-fascism-partners-in-crime/

    https://blacklikemao.medium.com/how-liberalism-helps-fascism-d4dbdcb199d9

    https://truthout.org/articles/fascism-is-possible-not-in-spite-of-liberal-capitalism-but-because-of-it/

    https://nyanarchist.wordpress.com/2019/01/23/scratch-a-liberal-a-fascist-bleeds-how-the-so-called-middle-class-has-enabled-oppression-for-centuries/

    • Grant_M
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      1 year ago

      You offer no reasonable method of suddenly abolishing everything. This is a huge problem.

      HOW? Where is a detailed plan? All I see is “Lib bad”

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        1 year ago

        Did you ever consider that it is you who have never actually sought it out, or even made the effort (did you even read any of those links?) rather than it not being there (or conveniently produced by someone else’s emotional labour)?

        (E: not to mention buttermilk already made some great suggestions above: Community building with mutual aid, local gardening with permaculture)

        None of us were born leftists, we were all born in to the same world you were and were socialised the same way. Unlearning that takes work, work that no one can do for you.

        So I won’t.

        Instead I’m just going to paste something I recently told another person who was making almost identical arguments to you:

        Join/create a union. Join/create a Food not Bombs. Actually invest your time reading up on socialism, anarchism, and becoming an anti capitalist in the way that personally suits you best, as well as what suits your community best, instead of expecting others to spoon feed you instructions.

        I literally know nothing about you, where you are and what your local community needs, what your able and not to do, how much trouble you’re willing to get in to or how much time and resources you have to spare, and a whole load more variables that mean I couldn’t possibly tell you what to do or how.

        Look up solidarity, look up dual power, look up building a community, take your own steps at your own pace.

        Or don’t.

        All I’m saying is don’t delude yourself (or others) in to thinking a boycott of a single company (or even all of them, but nothing beyond) is having any impact on anyone but you.