Afghan regime’s return to public stoning and flogging is because there is ‘no one to hold them accountable’ for abuses, say activists

The Taliban’s announcement that it is resuming publicly stoning women to death has been enabled by the international community’s silence, human rights groups have said.

Safia Arefi, a lawyer and head of the Afghan human rights organisation Women’s Window of Hope, said the announcement had condemned Afghan women to return to the darkest days of Taliban rule in the 1990s.

“With this announcement by the Taliban leader, a new chapter of private punishments has begun and Afghan women are experiencing the depths of loneliness,” Arefi said.

“Now, no one is standing beside them to save them from Taliban punishments. The international community has chosen to remain silent in the face of these violations of women’s rights.”

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  • Buffalox@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1433·
    9 months ago

    And somehow despite being obviously evil and despicable they believe themselves to be the good guys.

      • Aurenkin@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        804·
        9 months ago

        In the ordinary moral universe, the good will do the best they can, the worst will do the worst they can, but if you want to make good people do wicked things, you’ll need religion

        • Christopher Hitchens
            • TexMexBazooka@lemm.eeEnglish
              22·
              9 months ago

              You can’t really be religious, especially a follower of Abrahamic faiths without

              A: accepting what the texts actually say, which involves implicit acceptance of abhorrent views

              Or

              B: cherry picking and denying the abhorrent parts, which means you aren’t actually following the religion at all

              If you go with B, you’re not really religious, you’re spiritual and searching for purpose and grabbing the easiest answer available.

              Religion is poison

        • angrystego@lemmy.worldEnglish
          101·
          9 months ago

          Religion is not always bad, just like people are not always bad generally. I’d agree that fanatism is always bad though.

          • fastandcurious@lemmy.worldEnglish
            7·
            9 months ago

            Second this, no matter what you believe, the problem is that here you are forcing it on others by making it a literal state law, and I can guarantee that the taliban will use this to their advantage, not for ‘justice’

        • FfaerieOxide@kbin.social
          21·
          9 months ago

          Except drugs aren’t always bad.
          In reality religion is poison.

          10-4 on drugs, but are you conflating every faith which does or could exist with whatever patriarchal shit Abrahamic ones get on about?

  • floofloofEnglish
    531·
    9 months ago

    Akhundzada said: “We will flog the women … we will stone them to death in public [for adultery].

    “You may call it a violation of women’s rights when we publicly stone or flog them for committing adultery because they conflict with your democratic principles,” he said, adding: “[But] I represent Allah, and you represent Satan.”

    Ah, the good old argument from “I’m just right and you’re wrong, OK?” with a garnish of “The Creator of the universe told me I’m great and said you suck.” Please may I never be this certain of anything.

  • Rapidcreek@lemmy.worldEnglish
    566·
    9 months ago

    This was always going to happen. Once Trump signed the surrender, and released Taliban fighters, some of which run this government, the die was cast.

      • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.worldEnglish
        42·
        9 months ago

        Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

        John 14:6

        Has anyone in history ever said anything this closed-minded and intolerant? If this sentence were true that means that there is one truth. Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism,… All of them are at best truth-like. There is only one answer to question of what to believe, this is one authority, and there is one way to live. As intolerant as Islam is at least it acknowledges that the people of the book have a valid way of being. Christianity doesn’t even approach this. And historically we know exactly what this doctrine produced. The Hindus are still here, despite a thousand plus years of Muslim domination, what happened to the pagans of Europe? Ok so you know which is worse. It took them under a century to get rid of them.

  • Burn_The_Right@lemmy.worldEnglish
    301·
    9 months ago

    Conservatism is a deadly, contagious social disease that destroys entire cultures.

    In Afghanistan, we can see the natural, final stage of conservatism. This is what the future holds for any country that cannot offer sufficient resistance to this disease.

  • acargitzEnglish
    28·
    9 months ago

    Honest good faith question: what can the international community do?

    • Praetorian@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      10·
      9 months ago

      Nothing because it has no actual power. What have they done with regards to the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine or Palestine?

      • Centaur@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        9 months ago

        Sadly but it’s all about selfish (state) interests, not human rights at all. Nothing new.

      • EnderMB@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        9 months ago

        This is, IMO, the only true answer to many of the atrocities we see across the world.

        I think that western countries should look to improve their infrastructure for the inevitable future where more people choose to live in Europe and North America.

        • whoreticulture@lemmy.worldEnglish
          31·
          9 months ago

          Yeah, if we really care about improving people’s lives we should let people make the choice to come to countries where they will have rights. If enough people leave, eventually countries will have to start changing their policies. Inflicting centuries of war and colonialism seems more about big countries having access to land and resources.

  • intensely_human@lemm.eeEnglish
    24·
    9 months ago

    Horror from those of us who aren’t going to get stoned to death.

    Terror from those who are.

    Important to understand the distinction between these emotions.

  • ThePyroPython@lemmy.worldEnglish
    242·
    9 months ago

    Well, 20 years and what have we learned:

    • If you invade a nation with no solid national identity that prefers tribal identity, you’re going to have to stay to build that national identity.

    • To build that national identity you’ll need to stay until a whole generation has gone through the new way of life you have made: born, went to school, got a job, got married, had some kids, grew old, and died. The new way of life needs to be the only way of life in living memory.

    • So you’re talking about a minimum of 100 years of occupation.

    • If you pull out too soon because back home the appetite for a foreign deployment has wained, don’t get surprised when the old way comes back.

    • Guerrilla fighting is super effective in the long run.

    • sailingbythelee@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      9 months ago

      Great post. I’ll just quibble with one word. It took 20 years to re-learn what most of our ancestors knew well. It isn’t enough to occupy a country. If you want to replace an ancient tribal culture, you have to remove that culture’s elites, colonize and farm the land with your own citizens more or less permanently, put down any resistance violently, and then support the colony until it finally assimilates the existing population or is assimilated by it. All of the ancient empires did that when they could, Europe did it during the age of colonization where feasible. The Arabs did it during the Islamic conquest. China has done it throughout their long history. Russia is the largest country on Earth because it colonized all of the indigenous cultures from the Ural Mountains to the Pacific Ocean during the conquest of Siberia. The Soviet Empire tried to do it to Eastern Europe too with their Russification programs, but weren’t able to stay long enough because the Soviet Empire was destroyed after only 45 years.

      The US was never going to colonize Afghanistan. It was folly to believe that Afghanistan was going to adopt western values in a mere 20 years of occupation.

      • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.worldEnglish
        51·
        9 months ago

        That sounds like you announcing you cured HIV by simply shooting the infected. It might be true in one sense but even if that worked the cure is worse than the disease.

        I really don’t want any country involved in genocide

        • Harbinger01173430@lemmy.worldEnglish
          41·
          9 months ago

          Well I mean, that’s an effective cure, though just make sure to incinerate the remains so the virus has less chances to survive. /S

  • ReallyKinda@kbin.social
    162·
    9 months ago

    Yeah god definitely waited until 1400 years ago to give out the -real- rules, and this made the list?

  • Simon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    164·
    9 months ago

    ‘The international community won’t hold them accountable’ - Maybe for years under friendly occupation and support you should have held them accountable. I don’t believe for a second your husbands and sons have no involvement in the country’s culture. You effectively had years to erase the taliban and you collectively enabled them to fight the Americans instead. Anyone still in Afghanistan after all these years should not be having any surprise with the way things are going.