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Okay you nerds definitely have a point on this one
Get off that high horse: linux can still run DotA 2.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
And overwatch
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think you can run LoL on Linux
Im still waiting on them deploying it. I have a windows installation that does not boot using uefi, and therefor can not run vanguard. So when they deploy it its finally bye bye league after 14 years haha
14 years
I’m so sorry…
Holly shit, after looking things up it’s even worse than I thought…
Playing Valorant will need to enable TPM 2.0 and secure boot under windows 11 OS, you have to check that your motherboard is support TPM 2.0 system. (NOTE: If your system unable to support TPM2. 0, the only way that you can play Valorant is change your windows to older version as windows 10.)
Damn, Riot effectively turning PC into console…
Yup!
There is a youtube video about how even with the “best” anti cheat valorant has a huge cheating community. They are using ardruinos and secondary pcs to ai recognise the other players and simulate a mouse input via usb. (this is the high end cheating with a high cost) and even simple anti recoil scripts are possible without extra hardware.
Great*
Depending on how you look at it, that is what he said
In German, “gross” = “great”
It’s not rolled out yet so currently still yes you can run n play it on Linux
I will never understand why so many people were just okay accepting all this invasive bullshit like Vanguard. There’s so many games I just can’t even consider because I refuse to implicitly tell game companies their unchecked behavior like this is acceptable.
These are fucking video games; there is no goddamn reason a glorified toy should have root or kernel-level access. It’s wild to me the amount people who will accept anything, no questions asked.
I’m sure Hell Divers is fun, but it ain’t worth it to me to find out.
I accept it if it means removing most cheaters from the game. Most people do.
Cheating sucks but a- people are still cheating in these games, b- there are just as effective anti-cheat strategies that don’t require invasive access, c- cheating in a literal GAME is not enough of a real world issue to sacrifice real world privacy
Yes, there are versions of WINE and Proton that are specific to running LoL, but it’s still somewhat of a headache to get running.
And then the headache of having LoL on your computer/life.
It’s literally one click on Lutris.
Might be one click to install it, but it doesn’t immediately start working after that, at least according to what I’ve seen. WINE and Proton work well in general, but I’ve seen problems when it comes to LoL specifically.
Not in my experience. Some patch are easier than other I guess.
Brb gonna make a commit to core to break LoL.
Used to be able to before vanguard. When I used SolusOS as my main OS it used to run better than on windows… Apart from the client but that didn’t matter too much
Supposedly there is a way using a macOS emulator, since Vanguard hasn’t been ported to macOS yet
Which I believe doesn’t work on all GPUs.
Crap games apart (LOL is a good name for it), the only reason because Windows is better for games is that most games in the market are Windows only, no other reasons. But this is currently changing with more and more games also for Linux. Worst gaming platform is still Apple.
Anyway, at least
Also shout out to valve for making more windows games run on linux via proton
And the reason a lot of games are made for windows: nvidia helps companies with testing and development support, but funnily enough they help with testing nvidia hardware, and only on Windows.
I guess they only do Windows to try to keeo development costs of the drivers down? But I’m not sure.
Not entirely correct, the simple reason is called “money”. Windows is by far the most used platform in the world, because of this also the most potential users of the gaming industry. Linux has almost 100 different distros and much of these don’t accept other than opensource apps in its repository and only very few modern games are (2?..3?), there isn’t much more than FPS and arena shooters with graphics of 20 years ago, side scrollers and other with pixelgraphics, crappy RPG 2 D or with isometric view, few exceptions apart, like the above mencioned The Dark Mod, despite that it isn’t full OpenSource because of some non-free art assets which included and for this is tecnically only freeware and for sure for this, not in most of the repositories. Making games is a lot of work and there are not much idealistic game devs out there which will make a modern game for buy me a coffee. That is the main problem because Windows is still the best platform for games and not for tecnical reasons.
There’s FOSS* client for Oldschool Runescape, called Runelite ;)
*some proprietary blobs because Jamflex didn’t like that RL devs were providing source code for the reverse engineered bits from the official java client
Yes, there are some FOSS clients for games, but like in FreeDoom and others, they need the original gamefiles to work. Apart, none of the FOSS games have graphics which are up-to date for modern PC, because of this the mencioned The Dark Mod is an excepcion, it’s not a client or front end, but a standalone game, in quality and graphics similar to current commercial games.
They’ll help you develop and test your AI stuff on Linux but not Windows (I don’t think… Completely different team of engineers).
I’m wondering what will happen when loads of games have built-in generative AI… Will these two paths cross and finally give us Linux folks Nvidia (graphics) drivers that are actually good? 🤔
If I ever get off my ass and make that game I am going to rub my nipples and respond every time a mac user sends in a support ticket asking why their game isn’t working with “because it’s a mac”
Oh they already activated Vanguard for League of Legends? Because before that it could run under linux.
They announced it like a month ago, they could have flipped the switch by now. LoL was always a pain to get working anyway
ah yeah, they flipped the switch: https://areweanticheatyet.com/?search=league&sortOrder=&sortBy=
It still runs, for the time being
Not just yet, they’ve been pushing it back repeatedly. Currently has a limited rollout in the Philippines. My Windows 11 PC can’t run Vanguard so I’m just waiting to be kicked off any day now
I remember watching Arcane and then trying the lol mobile game, DO NOT PLAY LOL IF YOU ALREADY DON’T.
Do play Legends of Runeterra. It’s a charming, friendly and easy to pickup collectible card game set in the world of LoL with ZERO abusive practices. Enjoy PvP/Ranked ladder while you can, because the lack of dark patterns means it made less money than they expected, so some features were shelved and more things may be removed in the future.
especially don’t play if you do!
i played a match and i don’t get it, that game is just boring.
how do people actually play this?
i have colleagues who gush over how they want everyone else to play it.
it’s just so… stale
OpenBSD:
- does not run systemd
Conclusion: OpenBSD wins
My pocket calculator: does not run anything
Conclusion: my pocket calculator wins. Always
It runs calculations. Abacus wins again
Haha fools behold my pet rock, it never runs anything or anywhere.
Square block of concrete weighting 1 metric ton:
Doesn’t support throwing it with human powerConclusion: square block of concrete weighting 1 metric ton wins
Yes, this totally wins:
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I thought all systemd haters would have died by now due to old age. At this rare chance, I have a question: How did it feel to live together with actual dinosaurs?
I finally gave up the hate and embraced the poeterring-ing a few years ago. Can confirm I de-aged by 15 years as a result.
Why do people hate systemd anyway? I’m not that tech-savvy but I’ve always used it and I don’t recall ever having a problem with it
I think it’s largely a combination of curmudgeons that hate change and people who are strict Unix ideologues. systemd, while being objectively better in many ways is a monolith that does more than one thing. This violates some of the Unix program philosophies (small programs that do one thing). The truth is that the script-based inits were terrible for dependency management, which is something that systemd explicitly addresses and is probably one of its greatest strengths, IMO.
EDIT: Corrected capitalization.
It’s the main strength, and for that it deserves praise.
For the feature creep that goes into it, and everything hard requiring systemd stuff (way beyond just the init system) just to start, no thanks.
That’s very fair. Having managed system services for custom application stacks with hard dependencies on one another, that strength is worth it to me.
I don’t mean to come across as saying that the Unix philosophy is wrong. Just horses for courses. Systems where there is a likelihood of interdependent daemons should probably consider systemd. Where that’s not an issue or complexity is low, more Unix-like inits can still be a solid choice because of their limited scoping and easy modification.
Again, init system is OK.
Suddenly logind, networkd, resolvd, timesyncd, and every other systemd subsystem is way too much inside the one supposed init system.
On a side note, it’s systemd, no damn uppercase D at the end.
Good point. Fixed.
It’s slow and heavy, and it does too many things. It’s a monolithic piece of code so big it’s getting too difficult to maintain, so it has more vulnerabilities than other alternatives. It’s also taking over the whole system, to the point where Linux systems will soon be Systemd/Linux instead of GNU/Linux.
It’s also developed and funded mainly by Microsoft, which is also something people don’t really like. Microsoft are trying to make it similar to Windows in some ways, which makes it way more difficult to debug random errors.
And it doesn’t follow the UNIX guidelines, which is just the cherry on top.
Calm down Lennart. Also, upstart was better and not ancient.
Upstart was better, but even Ubuntu, who was by the creators of upstart (Canonical) decided to switch to systemd after using upstart for a bit?
Yeah, I don’t know why. Upstart really was better.
What made it better?
Because it was a shameless copy of SMF which is also great.
Systemd is good actually
Wasn’t a big reason some people don’t like systemd because it didn’t run on FreeBSD?
I run Gentoo with OpenRC.
Still need some systemd stuff for some software :|
I run Void with runit.
I’ve tried to completely avoid systemd, and so far I think I’ve managed. It’s still a pain in the ass, because a lot of software depends on it.
As an upside, startup time on my old lappy went from 2+ minutes on barebones Arch with systemd to just under 40 seconds on Void with runit.
I don’t even care about the boot times.
Perhaps because I don’t use DEs my PCs boot up quickly, and servers aren’t supposed to be rebooted outside their maintenance windows. So why would I care about pArAlLeL bOoTiNg.
Oh well, I’m just an old man yelling at clouds.
The thing about parallel booting is it’s only faster in systems with lots of cores, and the overhead of the parallelized code is sometimes enough to negate the benefits in older processors.
My machine is a Core 2 Duo lappy, which allows me to run most modern programs cheaply. However, it’s slow (even though I don’t use DEs either), and laptops are the kinds of computers you boot multiple times a day. That’s why I care about boot times. And in this case, you can see that booting with a parallelized init system is slower than booting with a “regular” one.
Yeah, Systemd might be the new fad, but I still believe there are lots of things to learn from the simple init systems. After all, an init system should only focus on initializing a system, and it shouldn’t be as complex and complicated as Systemd is.
I might be just another old man yelling at clouds. But hey, that makes two of us now.
Yeah, I get you.
Though perhaps in such use-case it would do better with sleep states than poweroffs.
OpenBSD loses because it’s permissively-licensed instead of copyleft.
I guess you use blob-free Linux-libre then?
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I really wanna switch to Linux so bad because of windows 10 support is ending soon and windows 11 suck ass I especially hate chatgpt and edge and boring desktop environment and sloppy navigation around the os and inconsistent design and everything else really, the only reason I use computer is games and a bit of documents editing but I lose half of my fps when I played on Linux which is a big deal when all I have is a potato laptop, hopefully by the time windows 10 ended support gaming on Linux will be at least 80% of the windows performance
the only reason I use computer is games and a bit of documents editing but I lose half of my fps when I played on Linux which is a big deal when all I have is a potato laptop
You might be using the wrong driver or something. Usually Linux has at least comparable framerates to Windows, if not faster.
No it’s not, I have low end Ryzen apu I used both AMD pro and amdgpu driver and I still lose 40-60% of the performance
Don’t manually install any drivers, the ones in the kernel by default are ideal. Maybe a power related setting like cpu governor. Newer dxvk versions don’t have the shader compilation lag that previously existed either
FWIW I had to install newer drivers from a PPA because the latest stable Mint didn’t support my RX 7900 XT.
Shouldn’t be a problem anymore, was only an issue with firmware when the card was super new
This was literally last week
What version of mint? Why are they so incredibly behind? Hasn’t been an issue on other distros for like a year
I used Endeavors OS out of the box driver and manually install driver, this is my post relating to this issue https://lemmy.ca/post/15927798
What distro were you using? This sounds like a possible Wayland issue
It’s Endeavour OS
Usually Linux has at least comparable framerates to Windows, if not faster.
CS2 beg to differ.
I switched to Linux a few months ago after building a new computer as I didn’t feel like paying over $100 for an OS that has ads in the start menu and spammy popups.
Almost all of my games work fine and don’t have any issues with lag. The exception is GTA V which doesn’t work at all and Sims 4 which works fine but EA’s launcher has given me a few issues.
You shouldn’t have any issues with document editing or web browsing. In my experience printing actually works better on Linux than it did for me on Windows.
If you want you could dual boot or keep an old windows system around to play games that aren’t working on Linux, but in my experience, most games, especially indie games, work just fine on Linux.
GTA V which doesn’t work at all
YMMV. Works out of the box on the deck and I don’t remember having any problems with it on arch.
Yesterday played in it.Pirated one version works fine since it’s doesn’t relay on any laucher ;)
Dualboot could work, I tried it before and didn’t go very well I might give it another chance, by the way does online games with anti cheat that works on Linux under wine will that get me ban?
Pretty sure that depends on the anticheat they’re using, could you provide a name?
It’s just a local shooting game, I think it use easy anti cheat
You can literally just download Windows for free from the Microsoft site.
Yeah I know. Still have to pay for license though unless you like having the activate windows watermark in the corner.
Trying not to be one of those “but did you try” replies, but personally, I would run Fedora xfce spin to see if anything changes.
Cutting edge kernel modules + minimal X11 DE will rule out stupidity from Wayland and make it easier to try some different settings.
AMD is supposed to work out of box, but I’ve heard there are some quirks with certain GPUs in which you may need to set some kernel flags.
Ex: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/how-to-install-amd-graphics-driver-on-fedora-36/74052/5
Damn they’re ending support next year: October 14, 2025. I thought it would continue a few more years.
windows 11 suck ass I especially hate chatgpt
🤔
The game runs just fine. Vanguard is what is preventing it.
Either way GNU/Linux wins.
I’m not sure whats worse. Lemmy or Reddit.
The League of Legends community on Reddit is much larger.
Lemmy is better
Check mate, Agnostics!!!
There are times I’d go with Reddit (or at least pre-exodus Reddit; I haven’t been back there much since the APIpocalypse,) particularly when politics are discussed, but posts like this show where Lemmy shines.
A large portion of Lemmy users migrated from reddit. They’re both going to be similarly cancerous.
There is a selection bias in who chooses to migrate, so this isn’t necessarily true
Yes
Lemmy is. It’s average user is just as worthless, but there are fewer niche communities.
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Does not have AI powered shit by default either which is another huge plus.
Jesus Christ being painted in the sand on a beach.
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Neither does most installations of windows
The Copilot integration they recently pushed to 11 says otherwise. They’re going hard on AI moving forward.
League is cancer. This meme is accurate.
Anyway, almost the only game I play in spare times since years, is The Dark Mod, it’s free and works fine in Linux, Windows and even in Mac (using PlayonMac).
This looks cool as hell. Thanks for sharing
It is, without a doubt one of the best free games you can find, apart with a friendly community for the support and a complete Wiki with step by step tutorials for creating own missions. A game to enjoy for many years. Walkthroughs of all missions in YT in the case if you get stuck in a mission.
I once visited a friend’s house and when I saw their computer’s desktop I dragged LoL to the trash bin and they didn’t even try to stop me.
This is exactly the reason I am going to install linux on my main Desktop, crazy coincidence of this meme. The temptation to play that addicting game is sometimes hard to resist. In linux I am more inclined to spend my time on stuff I learn from.
