But W.V. believes his daughter “is vulnerable and is not competent to make the decision to take her own life,” according to Feasby’s summary of the father’s position.

“He says that she is generally healthy and believes that her physical symptoms, to the extent that she has any, result from undiagnosed psychological conditions.”

Her only known diagnoses described in court earlier this month are autism and ADHD.

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    MAID can’t be consensual under capitalism, but all beings which exist have an inherent right to end their own existence whenever they decide to.

    This wouldn’t be a discussion if a 27 year old shot themself, huffed an asphyxiant, or jumped off something high.

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      What in the world has capitalism to do with this?

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        Because if you’re not working 40+ hour work weeks (which is new in our physiology coming from pre industrial average of 15 hour work weeks) then you’re made to feel inferior and less worthwhile under capitalism. This disproportionately effects those with disabilities.

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          Oh come on, don’t tell me you believe that nonsense? Please don’t. Compared to pre industrial humans, we live better than kings, and we work probably more like half less than they had to.

          Yes, there are issues with current capitalism, but you’re taking about a fantasy world. How the hell do you think people worked the land before tractors and machinery? How much do you think they got off the land, compared to modern farmers? Howuch time do you think they had to spend on luxuries?

          Seriously, give your comment just 10 seconds of actual thought.

          You are parrotting dumb slogans and empty claims that you either read somewhere and just copied without actually using your brain, or you made it up. I’m not sure which, but both are bad.

          How about you read up on some actual history? Life pre industrial age was hell bd then you die. During industrial age it was shit. With the enlightenment things slowly became better and where we are right now is the point where we have forgotten what it really is to suffer, so we make crpa up put how bad we have it.

          Hint: there are many issues, but dude, you don’t have it that bad

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            Compared to pre industrial humans, we live better than kings, and we work probably more like half less than they had to.

            And yet with more than enough food to feed everyone and 30 times as many vacant homes per unhoused person, people still starve and die of exposure on the streets.

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              Compared to pre industrial humans, we live better than kings

              people still starve and die

              Your entire argument is a false comparison between “we live better than medieval peasants” and “but people are still homeless”?

              You’ve heard the saying that “perfection is the enemy of progress”, right?

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                “perfection is the enemy of progress”, right?

                Isn’t there a difference between people starving when there isn’t enough food and having more than enough food you allow to rot so a small percentage of people can live as kings?

                You get how that is different, right?

                How many people dying while there are resources to prevent their dying is too many?
                Are unhoused people an acceptable sacrifice to Mammon in your view?

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              Uh huh, that’s correct, and that is very bad and need to be fixed.

              What doesn’t happen anymore though is that 90+% of the population was continuously semi starving. What doesn’t happen anymore is 30+% of the population being wiped out from diseases. What doesn’t happen anymore is families having 12 kids so that 4 might make it to adulthood.

              I can go on for a bit, but suffice to say that life now is a hundred times better than life 200 years ago, even for the poor, hell, even for the homeless. Even the homeless still get some form of hospital care and food.

              Yes, there are still hundreds of problems that need to be resolved, that doesn’t mean that today were off worse than back then

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                Why do you assume people arguing (correctly) against the evils of capitalism want to go back to say feudalism and not progress toward a just system that respects universal human dignity and does not require human suffering to grease the wheels of machinery which lines a tiny % of pockets?

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        What in the world has capitalism to do with this?

        Nothing can be consensual under a system which privatizes the means of life and coerces behavior to attain access to natural resources everyone needs and no one made.

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          That… Is a collection of slogans mixed with impressive mental gymnastics. You put down words but it doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. You have no idea how euthanasia works, or the justice system, or capitalism, and at this point I wonder what you do know.

          You almost sound like an AI bot, am I talking with an AI bot?

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            it doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.

            I could forward you some reading if you’d like to be less ignorant, though I have my doubts you desire to be.

            You almost sound like an AI bot, am I talking with an AI bot?

            If you can’t tell it sounds like I’ve passed the Turing, at least.

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              Oohh, you read das Kapital, why didn’t you say so? This of course means that you’re totally right in every subject, can do no wrong, even though what your saying is at best a non sequitur.

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                Oohh, you read das Kapital

                Where did I say I’ve read Das Kapital? Das Kapital isn’t even the book I linked you.

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                  < click link >

                  Marx’s Das Kapital for beginners

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                    Marx’s Das Kapital for beginners

                    Are you going to tell me “Beowulf For Dummies” is the same text as Bēowulf?

                    No. I sent you a commentary. I doubt you could handle Das Kapital.

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      That’s the true choice here: we allow someone to end it cleanly, or we must accept they’ll end their own life messily and brutally.

      You can’t get organ donations from a OD or a traumatic impact.