• Maeve@kbin.social
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    8 months ago

    It’s plausible, considering Russia helped the USA in certain Middle Eastern wars conflicts

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      8 months ago

      Do you think groups like radical Islamic organizations only attack targets when they’re associated with American actions…?

      Russia has a long history of conflict with these types of groups, both internally (Caucuses) and externally (Syria, Afghanistan, etc.).

      A history I might add, that predates American influence in the Middle East, much less the War on Terror.

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        8 months ago

        Sometimes a kiss is just a kiss and a comment is just a comment. Russia bad, but they do good things, sometimes (like blocking recent UN resos). So I do not kneejerk default to blaming Russia. I do tend to be more critical of my own country, having dug deeper than the whitewashed revisionist history they serve in public schools, moreso in public schools. So I was actually thinking his my own country directly contributed to the creation of the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and Da’esh. If that bothers you, that’s a you problem and nothing to do with me.

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          8 months ago

          Maybe their are situations when a rambling word salad is the right answer, but I haven’t come across any, yet.

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            8 months ago

            Break it down sentence by sentence. It’s neither rambling, nor word salad.

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              Analysis is breaking something apart to consider its pieces.

              A classic move that avoids the work of analysis is to assign a judgment to an entire unit, without any reference to its specific parts.

              A lot of work has gone into making this a culturally-accepted method of response, but now that it is it’s like an instant win for the person eschewing the analysis with a mic drop insult.

              Overall, the pattern tends to block the interaction of ideas.

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                You toss a better word salad, I’ll give you that.

                However, you probably should have read the conversation to understand the context behind my dismissive “mic drop”.

                OP said something kinda dumb.

                I corrected them.

                Instead of owning their mistake, or moving on, they try to explain away their dumb comment with a large block of tangentially related regional facts and observations, logical fallacies, and a bad metaphor/analogy about the meaning of a kiss.

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                8 months ago

                I wasn’t trying to be insulting, I was trying to lazily browse before sleep, and the reply to an offhand musing seemed frankly rude in tone.

                Sometimes it’s okay to analyze further than an initial thought for days without replying and sometimes it’s ok to make a considered comment weekend a detailed analysis on the spot while browsing the Internet.

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      Russia is one of the primary actors in the Syrian civil war that originally spawned ISIS. This isn’t a “but actually the US” thing, Russia has been balls deep in this shitshow from the start.