This community got removed from lemmy.world (again) - Divisions by zero
lemmy.dbzer0.com
This is another post that alerted me of this. https://lemmy.world/post/13287681 [https://lemmy.world/post/13287681] And here is the modlog: https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModRemoveCommunity [https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModRemoveCommunity]

This has happened once before and they reversed it. But they said this last time too:

The discussions that have happened in various threads on Lemmy make it very clear that removing the communites before we announced our intent to remove them is not the level of transparency the community expects, and that as stewards of this community we need to be extremely transparent before we do this again in the future as well as make sure that we get feedback around what the planned changes are, because lemmy.world is yours as much as it is ours.

https://lemmy.world/post/3234363

    • Count Regal Inkwell@pawb.socialEnglish
      467·
      10 months ago

      Yeah that. And I say it as someone who, on a good day, will go on philosophical rambles about how piracy is in fact the moral thing to do.

      Do people just not get that this is the entire point of a decentralized system?

      Hop accounts, you lil’ bitch. Don’t sit in one server complaining about the owner of that server when you have a billion options.

      And if your priority is the piracy community? Make the server that hosts that your homeserver.

      Or just have more than one account and use an app instead of the default webpage.

      It’s not rocket science. People’s brains are poisoned by centralization. Back in my day everything was its own separate forum with its own separate account and to be honest, it was miles better like that.

      • Grimy@lemmy.worldEnglish
        139·
        10 months ago

        The problem with this is that it isn’t really decentralized equally. Lemmy.world has most of the users and getting defederated from them is essentially a death sentence in terms of content and engagement.

        I think it’s a good idea to make new accounts on other instances, I plan to but without a proper amount of people, lemmy.world is working the same way reddit did.

        • Count Regal Inkwell@pawb.socialEnglish
          21·
          10 months ago

          The problem with this is that it isn’t really decentralized equally. Lemmy.world has most of the users and getting defederated from them is essentially a death sentence in terms of content and engagement.

          Self-resolving issue here. If people hop away from LW due to LW making decisions they don’t like, LW will cease being the one-go-to-place for stuff. Which is good, it shouldn’t be. No one instance should be “the main instance”. The right way to use federation is each person & community should make their home at a place where they vibe just right with the fed admins. It’s even good for LW itself as it reduces the burden on its server and the workload for its admins.

          Also also – Defederation is a far more nuanced thing than just “is block”. There is more than one tool that can be used by an ActivityPub admin.

          If LW defederates from your home instance – You can still manually follow communities that are in LW AND interact with them (unless the admins go out of their way to ALSO block USERS from your home instance), as “defederated from the instance” just removes it from the global timeline/global community search.

          What happened here, though, wasn’t defederation, it was a block, and a block on two specific communities, which outright prevents viewing & interacting with content from those communities from within LW. Which brings me to: LW’s block on the piracy communities from dbzer0 doesn’t stop LW users from interacting with dbzer0 as a whole. Or vice-versa. Only with stuff from the piracy coms.

        • Blaze@dormi.zoneEnglish
          91·
          10 months ago

          Hopefully this will drive people to switch to another instance, and the issue you mentions will be less present.

    • kratoz29@lemm.eeEnglish
      18·
      10 months ago

      I did that the last time and moved here ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

      Better management, no censorship, better uptimes and quicker upgrades, no need to look back (I moved “momentarily”).

      • Blaze@dormi.zoneEnglish
        91·
        10 months ago

        quicker upgrades

        That’s an important one, especially with how long it took LW to upgrade. I completely get why it’s more challenging for them due to their number of users, but that could be an argument for enthusiastic users to move elsewhere.

        • Draconic NEO@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          10 months ago

          Great question, see when instances have management level disagreements like this there really isn’t any purpose to using their communities from a remote account.

          Unlike a lot of people who “migrated” I realize it ultimately doesn’t make a difference using these communities from a remote server because they are controlled by this one and ultimately will be affected by defederations and bans. So I only migrated my non-lemmy.world subscriptions to the other instance accounts and left the local ones on this account.

    • Lemonparty@lemm.eeEnglish
      2030·
      10 months ago

      Reddit syndrome still affects a lot of users here, who view having multiple accounts on different answers as an inconvenience instead of a feature of the platform design. The irony is that tons of users on Reddit had lots of accounts without batting an eye, but that extra step of having to lick a new instance is just SO complicated.

      • Maalus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        359·
        10 months ago

        It is an inconvenience. Having to track which account can view which communities, with all the drama and defederation happening each week isn’t easy.

        • Lemonparty@lemm.eeEnglish
          15·
          10 months ago

          Picking a better instance for your main is most advisable. Users can accept that the primary benefit of a free and open source federated service can also sometimes inconvenience them, or they cannot. Complaining about the core mechanic of the technology that literally cannot change is silly IMO. Corporate owned centralization leads to enshittification. Your account age indicates that you know that first hand.

        • FaceDeer@kbin.social
          5·
          10 months ago

          Indeed. There are lots of proposals for perfectly portable decentralized user identities, subscriptions that transcend specific instances, and whatnot, but until those things actually arrive that’s not the Fediverse we’re dealing with. It’s a hassle having to switch instances.

        • Count Regal Inkwell@pawb.socialEnglish
          816·
          10 months ago

          Centralized Reddit brain poison tbh.

          Your password manager will keep track of your credentials. If you have THAT MUCH trouble keeping track of which communities are on which server, stick to local communities.

          Back in the day we had everything be its own separate forum and no one died from that. You’re just lazy.

      • BURN@lemmy.worldEnglish
        414·
        10 months ago

        It’s a major inconvenience and I’ll stick to one. If it can’t be accessed from Lemmy.world it’s not really my problem tbh and I’ll just act like it doesn’t exist.

        • tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          3·
          10 months ago

          I’ve never noticed any defederation from my instance or drama aside from the main posts talking about it, and if you came here interested in a piracy community it’s good for that, lemmy.dbzer0.com. “Lemmy.World” seems to be where all the drama happens hah. I have only ever made one account, interact with several different instances without issue. I agree using several accounts would be annoying.