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“Speech crimes”
The bill says “advocating genocide”
That counts as speech crime. Freedom of speech isnt just good speech or the speech you like or even the speech that isnt horrible, its all speech. Otherwise, its not free at all.
To quote Picard, “With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.”
The moment you censor that first opinion, no matter how justified you think you are, you oppress everyone.
Okay but in the US people can go to jail for death threats. Is that speech crime? Is that the first link in the chain? Or is that a reasonable law?
Yeah, speech can’t cause a reasonable person to have a reasonable fear of harm. Like, calling in a bomb scare. I don’t know the exact parameters, but it’s established that there are forms of speech that are not permissible.
Right. So there are forms of speech that are not permissible.
The argument then isn’t “I don’t agree with this law banning calls for genocide because I’m against all forms of speech restrictions”. The argument is really “I don’t agree with this law banning calls for genocide because I don’t see calls for genocide as something that should be banned.” The latter argument is difficult to justify though, which is why the former argument is used by a lot “free speech absolutionists”.
Plenty of “speech crimes” that are illegal in the US already. For instance, threatening people. If you say to someone “I am going to assault you”, yes, that’s a crime, and you can be prosecuted and face prison time.
The moment you censor that first call to exterminate all jews, no matter how justified you think you are, you oppress everyone.
Yes, and do you honestly think it will stop there? Human rights in Canada are dead, and Trudeau killed them.
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An ethnicity is a group of people united by culture (among other things) and, LGBTQ+ is definitely a type of culture.
The Nazis were a culture, was denazification a genocide?
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Free speech is dead in Canada. Guess what, speech falls under the category of speech.
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I dont know about him, but I would. Wouldnt be the first time I heard the term “Kill YT”
Just don’t be an advocate for genocide and you have nothing to worry about.
Also, most of this bill has to do with defining hate speech and spelling out reporting requirements for service providers online who discover child porn……not really sure what the problem is here. Who would be against reporting that stuff?
And you think that its okay that they setting the precedent? Do you honestly think its going to stop there?
I’m very much ok with setting a precedent that hate speech and child porn are not ok on the internet.
If it doesn’t stop there then we’ll see where it goes. Until then the opposition to this bill is just fear-mongering as an excuse to allow pedos and bigots to have free reign online, and that’s not cool either.
The bill spells out reporting requirements. You’re still free to do and say these things, only now there are consequences cause they’re fucking awful things.
What ever happened to family values?!
“hate speech”
OK, I define everything you just said as hate speech. Enjoy your life sentence.
lol that’s not how hate speech works.
More fearmongering to protect pedos 🙄
Thats exactly how it works
Fearmongering to protect pedos? You would be the expert here, so sure.
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Nice far right bullshit. lol
Look at the text of the bill for yourself. https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/bill/C-63/first-reading
Just ctrl-f for prison
I’ve read the bill. There are ZERO passages that indicate life sentences for ‘speech crimes’
“Every person who advocates or promotes genocide is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for life.”
“Everyone who commits an offence under this Act or any other Act of Parliament, if the commission of the offence is motivated by hatred based on race, national or ethnic origin, language, colour, religion, sex, age, mental or physical disability, sexual orientation, or gender identity or expression, is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for life.”
This IN NO WAY stops free speech or freedom of expression. Nazis should be punished PERIOD. And not advocating genocide should be EASY AS FUCK to do.
The only people opposed to this legislation are actual Nazis. LMAO
Or you know, anyone who has ever opened a history book.
No. History tells us that we need to confront fascism – which is what this legislation absolutely does.
No one is getting life in prison for saying anything, even calling for genocide.
This is like a few years ago when you said people would get life in prison for misgendering people.
Grow up.
Canada? Isn’t this the same country where protestors blocked the streets of downtown Ottowa by parking their trucks and blowing their horns day and night for a month before police did anything? They climbed on the cenotaph and danced with a Nazi flag on the tomb of the unknown soldier and pissed on it for fucks sake, and did they get arrested or do any jail time? One woman that got identified didn’t get charged, tho they could have.
I don’t think you have to worry too much about a life sentence for saying words in Canada.
So, the question is, “who gets to decide what ‘advocating genocide’ and ‘willful promotion’ mean”?
Yeah, this is not a good place to be.
I hate Russians, yes, the people, not just the government. Reddit insta-banned me for saying so. LOL, like Russians are some sort of protected class. Wonder who’s paying the bills over there?
Anyway, surely we can all see how “advocating genocide” can be quickly twisted. I’m American, yet I agree the 1st Amendment gets stretched pretty fucking thin, but this? Foul idea.
Great idea. In Nazi Germany they used the term “protective custody” to put you in a concentration camp. They wouldn’t say that your speech was wrong and prove that it was wrong… NO… Any speech that contradicted the policies of the Nazi regime was a crime.
And now Germany jails those who publicly throw a Nazi salute, or say Heil Hitler, or promote any other neo-Nazi BS. Are you saying that’s wrong? Because that’s a hell of a lot closer to what this is than concentration camps.
And if you do think it’s wrong… Yikes.
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Funny how all Nazi things are banned, WHICH THEY SHOULD, but in Germany like here now… you can also be arrested for dare speaking out against the government. Not much different than the protective custody days
Wow
