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being hijacked by an occupation which has led to conflict for so many innocent people, whether the victims of October 7 in Israel or the ongoing attack in Gaza.
Good to see some sanity, someone pointing out that the loss of life on October 7th was ultimately caused by the occupation. Had there been no occupation there would not have been an Oct 7.
Terrorism is like advertising. It works.
Many people are now learning the history of the conflict who never would have paid attention otherwise.
Instead of getting mad that oppressed people are fighting back, maybe we shouldn’t oppress them in the first place.
I’ve been fascinated by propaganda all my life, and being able to take exactly what people are actually doing and twist it using an ingrained cultural perspective is so incredibly easy and effective.
“If Israel didn’t exist there would be no people fighting against the existence of Israel” … What the Fuck?
What kind of role reversal is that blaming October 7. on the “occupation” seriously? I’m not saying Israels government didn’t have a hand in creating adversity and Terrorism by suppressing the Palestinian people but to claim the horrific massacres were there fault is just plain evil.
75 years of active apartheid, violence, and genocidal warfare will eventually lead to the oppressed to act in any manner possible
Funny to me how Americans get hard over imaginary struggle stories but condemn the Palestinian resistance
Oh booo fucking hoooo, they took hostages, well removed. Those hostages are European colonization settlers on THEIR land. If it was Chinese occupying America you would do much much worse than anything Palestinian resistance groups (incl Hamas) ever did on Oct 7.
Reminds me of South Africa during the apartheid period. Resistance groups always arise when people are oppressed, and they may go to extremes.
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Not an American but sure fight the strawmen.
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To say all the hostages are European Settlers is just such a false view of the facts. A lot of these people weren’t settlers. And to assume they are “European” (by which I assume you mean White) is also wrong. There are Jews (and Arabs) that live (and have lived) in this region for centuries, also there is a huge population of Jews that are black or general POC.
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This shit doesn’t work anymore. Not here at least…
The horrific massacres were the fault od the Israeli government, and their actions. If you actually read into the history, into kneecapping, into how “settlers” work, into how Palestinians are being treated, how insane the border restrictions are (no cement, because it could be used for military purposes! No velcro because it could be used for military purposes!), the sea blockade, the fact that Gaza’s food was largely based on fishing (and they banned all fishing equipment getting in - ya know, military purposes), while fishermen are forbidden to fish freely due to the blockade, you kind of start to see a pattern of “we’ll do what we want to Palestine and they can roll over and die”.
What kind of role reversal is that blaming October 7. on the “occupation” seriously?
Yeah, how can we blame the people who oppressed a minority for close to a century for fighting back??? That’s just insanity!!1!
Big ups to the Jews speaking out against israel trying to abuse their name to commit Genocide. Take their “anti semitism” shield away.
Am I crazy or have I not seen most of the Jewish population speaking out against what the Israeli government is doing? Isn’t it something like an 85% disapproval rate of their government of Israeli citizens too? This is what is making me confused with a lot of the attacks I’ve seen on the Jewish population of the world, it seems they’re much more against the governments actions than I’ve been reading Palestinian peoples views of Hamas.
Netanyahu is deeply unpopular in Israel for other reasons. That doesn’t translate into more support for Palestinians within Israel.
As for Palestinian support for Hamas or the actions of Hamas, Palestinians cannot be clearer, given the circumstances under which they find themselves Hamas represents the resistance to Israeli occupation, apartheid and genocide.
It’s not possible to draw an equivalence between the two.
Outside of israel opinions differ a lot. Especially because the Jews don’t believe that they are entitled to commit Genocide to steal a country.
Nobody is attacking Jewish populations of the world. Only Zionists. Though israeli lobbies such as ADL report any criticism of israel as “anti Semitism”.
Inside of israel it’s different. Israeli Zionists massively support killing off Palestinians. Not surprising since they live there and genuinely believe they are the Ubermensch that is entitled to expand their Lebensraum.
From January:
75% of Jewish Israelis Reject U.S. Demand to Shift Gaza War to New Phase, Poll Finds
I mean this is a clear case of antisemitism isn’t it? I’m shocked I tell you
I don’t remember where I read it but some Zionists do not consider non/anti Zionist Jews to be real Jews. So yes, they would consider this antisemitic. If I find the source I’ll add it here.
So long as we are anecdotal, that has not been my experience.
Judgments along observance lines, and people thinking those in some denominations are crazy or lesser, but I haven’t seen it drawn on those lines.
Generally the same kind of a thing you’ll find in any religion, or any fandom for that matter— those who are more observant or more dedicated may say the less observant/dedicated aren’t doing it right; the less observant/more casual may say the more observant/dedicated are crazy.
By who?
They just said by zionists.
It’s possible that @[email protected] replied to an earlier version of my comment where it said ‘for many Israeli’s’ or something like that. I edited my comment before I saw their reply. Anyway, I edited my initial reply for clarity but I don’t think it will help because my phrasing makes it sound like I’m the one who thinks the director’s comments are antisemitic. I don’t.
The confusing bit is that “Zionist, non-zionist or anti-zionist” reads like a list lacking an Oxford comma. You have to realize that reading makes no grammatical or logical sense then go back and realize the intended syntax.
A more clear way to put it might be: “but some Zionists do not consider non/anti Zionist Jews to be real Jews. So yes, they would consider this antisemitic”
Thank you. Hope you don’t mind but I included your edit.
It’s very annoying that I can’t find the source anymore butI read that despite making up 1% of the population, in Germany up to a third of all people accused of antisemitism in the past months were Jewish.Honestly, I am so disappointed and embarrassed by the way the German government is handling the crisis. It is awful.
It’s not surprising at all.
Good to see from Jonathan.
Mostly it’s the Christians that support Israel… they want to bring about the end times and they think that the Jews destroying the Muslims is the only way to make it happen. I really wish I was making this up. They are indeed that stupid.
At some point when people ask about the Holocaust, we’re going to have to start asking “which one?”
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Jonathan Glazer, the director of Auschwitz-set film The Zone of Interest, won cheers and applause at the Academy Awards for a speech in which he decried the current conflict in the Middle East.
Glazer took to the stage to accept the Oscar for best international film – the first time Britain has won the prize – for his German-language, Polish-shot adaptation of the Martin Amis novel.
Glazer – who, like Wilson, is Jewish - continued: “Right now we stand here as men who refute their Jewishness and the Holocaust being hijacked by an occupation which has led to conflict for so many innocent people, whether the victims of October 7 in Israel or the ongoing attack in Gaza.”
She recounted how she had cycled to the camp to leave apples, and how she had found the mysterious piece of written music, which, it turned out, had been composed by an Auschwitz prisoner called Thomas Wolf, who survived the war.
It defeated a field that included Spanish-produced air crash drama Society of the Snow, directed by JA Bayona, and Japanese toilet-cleaner character study Perfect Days, directed by Wim Wenders.
Anatomy of a Fall, Zone of Interest’s main non-English-language rival on the awards circuit this year, was not nominated, after France’s Centre National du Cinéma et de l’Image Animée instead put forward the Juliette Binoche foodie drama The Taste of Things as the country’s submission.
The original article contains 446 words, the summary contains 233 words. Saved 48%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!
Awful TLDR. Talks about Glazer, says he then she.
I often feel this bot is no better than selecting random bits from an article. I’m exaggerating a bit, but it’s clear the bot doesn’t actually understand the essence of what’s written.
That said, I do still appreciate it for getting at least a gist of what an article is about. And I very much appreciate the people working on it and making it available.
Yep. Often this sort of summary is generated by finding the most interconnected parts of text, and assuming they are the most important, then slapping them together. While it generally does pull out the most relevant bits, there’s no guarantee that they’ll make contextual sense together.
Once you understand how it works and its shortcomings, you can make better use of it as a tool.
I mean, it’s a bot that just selects pseudorandom bits of the article, there’s nothing else to it.
Message to Glazer - do not for one moment believe that Hamas would spare you because you “refute your Jewishness.”
Ahh yes. Here’s that classic bulletproof logic: criticizing the apartheid policies of Israel is the same thing as wanting to join Hamas.
They refute the Holocaust being used as a cudgel by Israel to justify attacking innocent civilians. They didn’t refute their religion. If the 2 are one and the same to you, I’d pray on that.
The naivety of westerners who believe Hamas wouldn’t throw them off a building if given the chance is outstanding. As is their need to quash anyone who thinks otherwise.
Sorry, are you saying because some people are authoritarian theocratic terrorists that it is acceptable to genocide the entire group? Starve the children to death? Nobody is trying to be pals with Hamas here.
That is basically the argument Israel is using, so probably what he was going for.
If Biden goes against them I wonder if they’ll change their tune or continue to spew idf talking points. Oh who are we kidding, Biden will never do that…
Hamas is not the same as Palestinians and only a deeply racist person - seeing the people in other etnicities not like people but like nothing more than non-human etnics (“human animals”) - would believe in such a “group blame” myth and use it to excuse punishing all Palestinians for the acts of Hamas.
It’s funny how everytime a Zionist tries to justify the actions of Israel, they use “arguments” anchored in the very same twisted racist “logic” as the Nazis.
You know what they say… history doesn’t always repeat itself but it often rhymes.
I’m sure I’d believe what you had to say if you didn’t support murdering children and journalists
You realize westerners regularly go to Gaza and don’t end up thrown off buildings, right?
In fact, right now they’re more in danger of getting shot by the IDF, considering they keep shooting at marked press and aid workers and vehicles.
And here you are, lumping all Palestinians in with Hamas. I’m pretty sure the children that Israel is starving don’t support Hamas (yet, Israel is doing wonders for their recruitment).
“Right now we stand here as men who refute their Jewishness and the Holocaust being hijacked by an occupation which has led to conflict for so many innocent people, whether the victims of October 7 in Israel or the ongoing attack in Gaza."
They do not refute their Jewisness, they refute their Jewishness being hijacked. It is quite obvious, except if you want to troll…
Fortunately he doesn’t have to worry too much about Hamas because he’s not occupying their land.
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