I find it hard to talk badly of anyone who had just died, whether or not they were related to Mitch McConnell. That was a horrible way to go.
But, if it turns out the Tesla design was at fault, then we may be watching one of the few families who have enough resources to challenge Elon Musk get medieval on his ass. Which would be fun to watch, even if did take a tragedy to start all off.
Their family is not a “loving family” that normal people would imagine. These are conservatives who lack the capacity for empathy and do not feel kindness or love for one another. Their relationships are transactional.
If they sue, it will only be because they see an opportunity for profit. Not because they want to prevent this from happening to anyone else.
I disagree, it’s important to note that Conservatives love their families, too. They are not inhuman.
And their love of their family can, for some, feed into their racism. Their families are successful and they may attribute that to genetics. People with inferior genetics can’t really help themselves, can they? They need a ruling class to make the important decisions for them.
You’re right though, if they sue it won’t be to prevent this from happening to anyone else. It will be for revenge and punishment. Profit is a side motive here. They might pour an excessive amount into any lawsuit just for revenge.
That paragraph about genetics and needing a ruling class because the poor can’t help themselves feels so wrong, immoral and like a completely degenerate thing to say that I am tempted to turn the argument around and say that these people need help. Who in there right mind would, seriously, consider something that’s not even the closest thing to being backed by science and logic.
Who in there right mind would, seriously, consider something that’s not even the closest thing to being backed by science and logic.
They’re not interested in science, logic, or anything that goes against their pre-concieved world view, though. They are right because they have the courage of their convictions, and if there are facts or logic that get in the way, well the facts and logic must be wrong!
That’s how we get to almost half the country believing in “alternative facts”, which makes governing this country so hard.
My family and most people I know are poor, and this is also how they function. Even the “side” pieces.
If it’s about money for them, they may see a payday incoming. At the very least, the insurance company that had a life insurance policy out on her might have a thing or two to say to Muskrat. I cannot imagine how much money they are going to be paying out.
I’m really torn between hoping the lawsuit payout is very high vs. not wanting the McConnell crime family to become even richer.
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The level of glee here over a death is kind of appalling. Yeah, she was a billionaire, so was Steve Jobs. Related by marriage to Mitch does not make her responsible for Mitch’s garbage decisions. I’m sure she has family and friends who are devastated. I had not heard anything about her existence before this, but even if she’s a bad person she’s still a human and drowning is an awful way to die.
I came close to drowning as a kid and I don’t think it would be all that bad of a way to go.
Wow, he referenced her death in his retirement statement, but I just assumed it was age related because… well… look at them.
Always remember, if your car goes in the water, you CAN’T open your door until the pressure equalizes. You have pounds of water pushing against the door, keeping it closed.
Mythbusters went over this… Undo your seat belt and let the water IN. When there’s enough water inside, open the door.
Shortly after Mythbusters did that bit. They were directly credited with saving a trucker’s life. He crashed into a lake. His window didn’t work but he had a manual roof vent, which he was able to open to equalize the pressure. He said he would have never done that if he hadn’t seen the episode because of how scary it was to watch the water pour into his cab.
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Adam Savage has said that that was the most terrifying myth they’ve tested, and I’m pretty sure even with all of their divers and support crew he thought he was going to die.
I think part of it was the fact that they used an old smoker’s car. I remember him talking about the nicotine burning his eyes and all the smoke and nicotine clouded up the water making seeing anything even more difficult.
This is a Tesla right? Those door handles are electric, so you need to hope the cars electrics hold and not short. Or you can find the emergency release in the door pocket.
you can find the emergency release in the door pocket.
Not without some training first. They are inexplicably hidden. I imagine Elon laughing aloud when he reads of people drowning in Teslas, frantically trying to figure out how to escape.
I’ve heard they have some manual door latch backups? do you know if they’d be affected as well?
If the backups aren’t the door handles themselves, where are they located, and how many owners and passengers know about them?
They’re mechanical and hidden behind a panel
Perfect for the emergency situation where you would need them!
Luckily there’s reinforced windows that can’t easily be broken either. I wonder if the EU models are the same because I have a hard time believing that this isn’t breaking several safety regulations. This whole thing is such an ironic and frankly idiotic freak accident.
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Ah I was confusing the front and rear doors. From this video it looks like it’s in the door arm rests, while the rear door is burred in the rear door pocket under a flap. Both appear to operate the latch manually so no electricity required.
There’s no way kids will be able to get out of the car if their parent is unconscious in the front seat…
Stop saying it out loud. Elon can only get so hard.
They’re completely manual. There’s a manual door latch literally right below the button you’d press inside to open it.
Pull that up & the door unlatches to open.
They’re literally designed in for emergencies.
It’s the same in the model 3, Y, & S.
I just watched the video above. I’d say it’s a criminally bad design, because the emergency open is completely hidden from the casual observer and completely blending in with the other colors and shapes of the armrest. This makes it useless in an emergency.
There is a reason why Fire extinguishers, seatbelt release buttons, emergency exit signs, emergency brakes in trains etc. are all designed in bright, red stand-out colors with big letters on them.
Helicopter Egress Training they actually have you keep your seat belt(s) on until the cabin is filled with water, pressure equalized, AND door/window opened. The reason is, to push a door or window open you need a solid “foundation” and if you’re unstrapped floating in water you may only push your body away.
A road vehicle has a smaller cabin and more hand/foot holds, but I thought it worth mentioning.I think the reason they mention it is, in a car full of water, it would be an easy thing to forget, then if you get the door open, you panic because you still can’t get out.
Top gear also did this and their results were pretty much just get out of the car as soon as you know you’re going in the water.
Yes. There are three phases to going into the water. Getting out before pressure builds, waiting for pressure equalization or creating it, and getting out after pressure equalizes.
There’s a lot of situations where you will not have time to get the door open, like busting a turn rail and flying into the water. Obviously if you’re going in slowly and can’t stop it, (Like a slick boat ramp pulling a truck in.), just get out early.
Better yet, smash the front wind shield (after seatbelt is off or cut) to get out sooner
The windshield won’t break like that. Only the passenger windows would break and come apart
And sometimes (Tesla) not even the passenger windows.
Smash anything but a windshield. I’ve needed to violently remove a windshield when replacing it (time was running out and tool shops were closed). Wearing protective glasses and pushing with both legs is what it took to somewhat loosen it, but not immediately remove it. Windshields are a multilayer structure of plastic and glass. Side windows are just glass.
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Top comment right here.
Aaaand it’s gone.
The mods on this community are pathetic. It wasn’t offensive in the least.
They’ve been getting worse lately.
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“After a Friday evening celebrating Lunar New Year with close friends, Chao decided to drive back to the main house on the ranch around 11:30 p.m., the Journal reported.”
I wonder if she had been drinking.
“According to the Journal’s account, Chao told her friend that she had put her car in reverse instead of drive — a mistake she had made before — leading her to back over an embankment and into the pond.”
Tesla removed the shift stalks from X and *S models in 2021 in favor of the car guessing which direction you want to go, with the option to override on the touchscreen.
Edit: Originally stated Y by mistake. Chao was driving an X when the incident occurred.
Tesla removed the shift stalks from X and Y models in 2021 in favor of the car guessing which direction you want to go, with the option to override on the touchscreen.
…what? What in the hell is going on at that place!? That is so fucking stupid and dangerous.
Hahahahahaha what the actual fuck for real.
Musk: “Trust my car, bro” Car: goes in reverse instead of forward
“We’re so confident in our self driving tech we removed the steering wheel”
Dont worry, there’s an emergency override in the trunk
Imma need that 10 minute James May video to show me how to get to it.
60% of the time, it works every time.
yea this is quite the absurd design decision.
Billionaire do without consequence. US nothing. Iz nao.
Give me the touchscreen gear shift. It’s not that hard, and I’d rather not have the extra physical object in the car.
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I’m already aware of where the manual door release is.
Tesla removed the shift stalks from X and *S models in 2021 in favor of the car guessing which direction you want to go, with the option to override on the touchscreen.
Holy shit, I thought you were joking but that’s real.
Tesla removed the shift stalks from X and Y models in 2021 in favor of the car guessing which direction you want to go,
Holy shit, I thought you were joking. How the hell did that pass any regulatory body?
It$ a my$tery i$nt it. Fortunately we all are subject to the rule of law in this cou . . . hahahahahaha nahhh just joshin’. The rich are above the law. Everyone else needs to resort to extreme violence, apparently. That is to say, I really don’t know what the DoJ is thinking.
What is the DoJ going to do about it? Any billionaire can simply appeal until the price of an RV or some fishing trips wins your case.
That would be Model S & X. Model 3 stalks are removed in 2023/2024 Highland refresh. Model 3 Performance hasn’t been highlanded yet so that one still has stalks. Model Y hasn’t released their refresh yet so all versions of Model Y have stalks.
You’re correct. I typed Y by mistake and have edited my post. Chao was driving an X when the incident occurred.
That’s crazy.
Whoever was in charge of U.S. transportation when that system got approved must feel like a real jerk right now.
Impossible. Conservatives don’t have the capacity for introspection.
You think they needed approval?
Hahahahahahahahhhaha
Yeah. Drive control systems are heavily regulated. Whether or not approval was granted after a review process is, well, unknown to me.
Of note, the secretary of transportation when this system gained approval was previously the secretary of labor under Bush and had bragged about record low OSHA violations under her tenure.
A later report found that this was achieved by OSHA not investigating violations.Whether it’s due to a lack of regulations or regulatory capture I’m pretty sure they needed as much approval as Boeing did for MCAS and Sachler for
Opiumpain killers.
Huh. It’s almost like the safety decisions of a major automobile company being at the whim of a petulant billionaire is a bad idea. Who knew.
Chao decided to drive back to the main house on the ranch around 11:30 p.m.
Ah the main house, yes. Of course. As one does.
DEBBIE: Can I ask you a question?
GRIM REAPER: What?
DEBBIE: How can we all have died at the same time? [silence]
GRIM REAPER: The Tesla!
GEOFFREY: Darling, you didn’t buy a Tesla, did you?
ANGELA: I’m most dreadfully embarrassed.
GRIM REAPER: Now the time has come. Follow. Follow me. [clunk] [bang bang bang bang bang]
GEOFFREY: Just… testing. Sorry.
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Lucky for them the ancient Egyptians can’t read English
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They should have used the Tesla Rock that broke the Tesla Trucks window
This is horrifying. A manual window breaking device that is part of the interior of the car should be standard by now. It wouldn’t be that difficult to design. This is not a Tesla exclusive problem.
I never actually thought about this, but you’re right. Wtf isn’t this a standard, and part of saftey scores?
For some cars you can remove the head rest and use the metal prongs, but it’s still probably not as good as an actual purpose built punch.
Doesn’t seem there’s a tool available for breaking laminated glass. Which is also terrifying but I do understand why the DOT mandated the switch.
In most cars I would say use the headrest, but my assumption on that the trasla.did something dumb to make those not useful either.
Tragic way to die. I wouldn’t wish this even on my worst enemies.
We all watch the videos of how to deal with this exact situation but in reality only a few people would be able to react accordingly to save themselves.
The article describes the area of water as a “pond” but the vehicle was fully submerged. Rescuers had trouble with rescue attempts due to the depth. Seems more like a lake to me.
"there is no technical difference between lakes and ponds, according to the National Park Service. While the distinction between lakes and ponds can be a bit blurry, there are some general guidelines. For example, if sunlight can reach the bottom of the entire body of water, it’s generally considered a pond, according to the National Park Service. Conversely, if the body of water is deep enough in some places that sunlight cannot penetrate it, it’s generally considered a lake.
When it comes to size, though, there are no exact guidelines. Ponds are generally smaller than lakes, but there’s no universal standard. That means some things we call a pond might be considered a lake by some. And some lakes may be more pond-like to some people."
https://www.reconnectwithnature.org/news-events/the-buzz/whats-the-difference-lake-vs-pond/
A few years back, a woman drove her car into a small retaining pond off a highway and 2 of the kids in the car drowned. Everyone was amazed that a car could be completely submerged in such a small pond. Those suckers are deep!
https://www.twincities.com/2013/11/28/st-louis-park-drowning-accident-spurs-questions-about-retention-ponds/But the sun shined on them while they drowned, so…
Actually there is a definition, from my old environmental engineering textbook:
A lake is any body of water deep enough to submerge a Tesla Model S
but in reality only a few people would be able to react accordingly to save themselves.
It should frankly happen by design. Humans can’t be expected to let the water in while submerged, that takes will and under stress it’s hard to think.
Say, have pressure sensors outside which would open some small windows, I don’t know.
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I appreciate this. I’m astounded by the callous lack of empathy of some of these other comments.
Being terminally online causes a huge distortion in one’s sense of empathy and justice
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What specific thing(s) do Gates and Buffett deserve being cruelly killed over?
No one’s suggesting cruelty (Okay probably some are, but). But you see what had happen was the planet is dying and 1% of the people have 45% of the money. So. Uh. There’s a . . . it’s . . . it’s a math thing. Of course, they could give away a few billion to the Education department or the National Parks service or the EPA or Food Pantries around the - well, world really. A billion is a fantastic amount of money such that we really don’t appreciate it.
Like, if someone were to count to one billion, allowing for 3 seconds per number (they get big, like, say, 295 million,111 thousand,433 dollars) it would take one ninety five years to count to one billion. And Gates is theoretically worth one hundred and forty six times ninety five years of counting. (Fine, that’s 13,870 years)
And yet they’re not doing anything with most of it. It just sits in a computer allowing them to buy governments and raze forests. Yes, yes, sometimes they give out free vaccines to some children which is a good thing. Kudos where due.
So TL;DR we’re angry about it. The system created by the rich continues to make us fear going broke and destroy the planet. There’s lots of people who know how to fix it, but they’ll never be heard. And here we are, taking some schadenfreude from an exploded mini sub or whatever. Yes, it’s true. Which group should be more ashamed.
You are thinking too much about this. No one deserves to be cruelly killed, especially not because of how much money they have. Them having money does not affect you directly. Don’t take it so personally. Don’t put those negative thoughts in your head.
I think it’s pretty clear that a billion dollars is too much money for one person to manage correctly. That’s why reasonable people like Warren Buffett are donating all their money to charity. Above $1 billion, people start buying giant yachts and relatively ugly houses that people will forget about in 20 years. Essentially, that money is wasted.
Buffett routinely talks about money as representing little “claim checks” on the productivity of American business. He clearly believes that he doesn’t deserve the majority of his wealth because it’s mostly an accident of fate, even though he has literally “earned it” by being one of the world’s best investors. If he didn’t have opportunity growing up, he says he would be an insurance actuary.
The real problem is that many billionaires are squandering the productivity of America on frivolous garbage. Small business loans or first time homebuyer loans would be a much better use of that money. Don’t ask for them to die, that just passes the torch to their kids who may waste even more money. Ask for higher corporate taxes.
Imagine the crazy conspiracy shit if this was how Musk forced McConnell to retire by forcing her Tesla into the water, or some other crazy reason.
That’s some James Bond villain bullshit.
Putin forced Musk to force McConnell to retire and endorse Trump
Or Kennedy bullshit.
I dont approve of his billionaire-helping policy, but I do approve of his billionaire-killing policy!
Oh no
Anyway, I’m going to Vegas later this week to get messy with my friends for my 40th. Anyone have any recommendations for places to hit?
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Ooh, good call. Too bad I’m not renting a car. How much do you think Uber will charge for the service?
Isn’t the tesla underground deathtrap in vegas?
It is!
Stromboli at 4 kegs.
Super sketch building and parking lot.
Red vinyl booths and decor not updated since Elvis was a teenager truck driver.
Bartenders who’ve seen the hard times.
Open 24/7
Drinking
Smoking
Gambling
High likelihood of hepatitis A, B, C and as of yet unknown variants
And the best fucking stromboli this side of the Gambino family
Also, your first stop out of the Vegas airport should always be for early morning drinks at the Double Down Saloon. I’ll let you figure out that that gem of a property on your own.
Why would you ever pay to drink in Vegas? Head immediately to the Rite Aid and get alcohol like everyone else. Or go to any sports betting section in a casino. Drinks are free.
I’m not entirely sure I said anything about paying for drinks in Vegas. I’ve never paid for a drink in either fine high class establishment I described.
“Remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for herpes. That shit’ll come back with you.”
Check out Omega Mart at Area 15
Yep! Have tickets for that already. Very excited.
Golden Tiki is an excellent bar. That whole area has great food too.
And if you know anything about Meow Wolf, their third location is a short ride away. It’s called Omega Mart. It’s fine to go in drunk but it’s better to start sober and get drinks at their bar.
We have our meow wolf tickets! Plan is exactly to go in sober (maybe high already) and stop at the bar.
Always carry a glass breaker in your car within reach of the drivers seat
New Teslas have laminated glass, not tempered glass. It does not shatter.
So they’re death traps
Gotcha
I’ve just learned that laminated glass is now mandatory across all models since 2020.
After digging through the rule the NHTSA adopted, there’s nothing in there that mandates side glazed windows. The rule covers ejection mitigation. The summary hits the major point:
The agency anticipates that manufacturers will meet the standard by modifying existing side impact air bag curtains, and possibly supplementing them with advanced glazing. The curtains will be made larger so that they cover more of the window opening, made more robust to remain inflated longer, and made to deploy in both side impacts and in rollovers. In addition, after deployment the curtains will be tethered near the base of the vehicle’s pillars or otherwise designed to keep the impactor within the boundaries established by the performance test. This final rule adopts a phase-in of the new requirements, starting September 1, 2013.
There’s a lot of discussion in there. The document is over 300 pages. Some of it covers how the side windows can be down or could become deformed from a roll-over. For testing procedures the windows have to be pre-cracked or removed.
The Federal Registrar calls out side glazed windows in 49 CFR 571.226:
S1. Purpose and Scope. This standard establishes requirements for ejection mitigation systems to reduce the likelihood of complete and partial ejections of vehicle occupants through side windows during rollovers or side impact events.
and in 49 CFR 571.226 S4.2.1.1:
S4.2.1.1 No vehicle shall use movable glazing as the sole means of meeting the displacement limit of S4.2.1.
I anticipate that mid to higher end vehicles will have side glazed windows. While lower end vehicles will not.
Apparently it was because people’s arms (or even heads?) would hang out of the broken window when a car is rolling over at highway speeds.
If I remember the MythBusters episode your only other options are to roll down the windows immediately and then start to exit or wait for the car to completely submerge and hope the electronics that control your windows and doors haven’t failed.
I wonder how long the electronics last in the Tesla being submerged for the window to roll down.
My car’s headrests have a glass breaker tip at the bottom of the metal bars that you use to raise/lower them. I imagine this is standard in many modern-ish cars.
New Teslas have laminated glass, not tempered glass. It does not shatter.
WTF, how can they just make a change like that, and it get approved to be on the road?
Youtube comment,
Tesla that crashed into a pole, it was on fire, and the driver was trapped behind the laminated glass. Scary situation.
The first in crew that responded had a firefighter try to break the glass with a conventional window punch device, that didn’t work.
Then he tried smashing it with some forcible entry tools, that didn’t work either.
The driver ended up dying. It took 45 mins to extinguish the flames and 15 mins to get the car doors open.
I’ve just learned that laminated glass is now mandatory across all models since 2020.
Is laminated glass why my rented chevy bolt has so many pits? Car’s only got 7k miles on it, but when I drive toward the sun it’s like driving into a glitter storm.
I don’t know. But windshields have been laminated glass since forever.
Your previous comment stated it was 2020
Makes me think of the supposed bullet-proof cyber truck glass… Odds are much more likely you’ll be trying to escape your car than be under a hail of gunfire lol.
This is apparently a common thing across car manufacturers now.
Apparently not in door gap, trunk lid pours water into car, discharged battery can’t open rear passenger doors, Teslas.
There’s a door handle override but it’s kind of hidden. Terrible, terrible user experience.
death by own car is probably the pinnacle of poor UX.
But everyone that gets in my car for the first time manages to find it if I forget to tell them to press the button with the minus sign.
Those aren’t glass breakers, and you probably can’t shatter the glass with those. Car windows are incredibly strong.
https://carseatblog.com/38120/mythbusters-vehicle-headrests-are-meant-to-break-vehicle-windows/
Yeah, a fully closed car side window is extremely strong. However if you’re able to crack it just a bit it is far easier to break.
Yeah, but it’s way harder under water.
I punched a window and broke it back in the day, but that was a junk car from the 80s we were destroying. And I was outside of it with all the room in the world.
Trying to do it while seated inside would have been impossible, and underwater all that pressure against the other side spread out equally makes it really umpossible. It’s basically a giant cushion that absorbs and distributes the force. If you do break it, all that water pressure is going to push it straight in your face, and chances are you’re just going to let the water in, but not create a whole big enough to climb thru. Certainly not u til your car is full of water and pressure equalizes.
If you’re worried about this enough to carry a glass breaker, take a page from the Kia boys and make sure it’s ceramic. Even steel with a point is going to be difficult. But ceramic will shatter it with almost no effort. Gotta keep on bipping
New Teslas have shatter-proof laminated glass.
isn’t the point of breaking the door window under water to let water in, so you can open the car door once the pressure difference is equilibrated?
Also, I’ve just learned that laminated glass is now mandatory across all models since 2020. Glass breakers won’t save you.
And the world becomes ever so slightly more like Atlas Shrugged again
I skimmed the headline too quickly when I saw “billionaire” and “panicked last call” then I thought she was somehow involved in insider trading for Tesla stock.
Mitch’s sister in law died in a Tesla.
Mitch Endorses Trump.
Trump meets with Elon Musk.
Do I have the timeline correct?
theoretically it should be possible to remotely control a tesla. I’m not saying its murder, but did anyone check?
The great thing about software is it can be programmed to leave no evidence.
“The log says self driving was off”
“The log says the computer controlled doors were unlocked”
Who wrote that log? Yeah.
This is one of the reasons I am hesitant to get any “digital car”. I’ve read that government has backdoors to turn off engine or otherwise control cars.
The real threat is foreign bad actors. There’s a global database that maps all VINs.
How many Americans have connected cars? How many are in garages? How many will not smell the exhaust before it kills them when every car in the country is started one night?
That’s WMD
Source: I used to meet with the CISOs of all the global auto manufacturers annually. If you’re a light sleeper, don’t work in infosec.
interesting idea for what really amounts to a terrorist attack. any others? i figure you may have some other cool ones
personally, i’m more scared of our government in most cases. of course, foreign bad actors can and will do damage but over the long term the government, should it morph into something a bit more authoritarian than it is today, would have much more incentive and capability to do harmful things
i remember there was some leak nearly a decade ago already that showed NSA can access all smart TVs. some TVs even have microphones so that they can listen to what’s going on in your living room. Makes you wonder if Orwell was a time traveler
I was a pretty big punk rock anarchist conspiracy theorist from my preteens through my early 20s. Now I work in the field. IMHO the US’ version (not the GOP’s) of world order, is the least scary. And with these psychos threatening murder and shit, the SOTU rebuttal about knee deep in blood… I’ve come to accept whatever dumb shit I or anyone I know is doing online, the govt doesn’t give a shit. But as a FOSS nerd and EFF-donating privacy advocate, I feel you. My real fear is bad actors leveraging and extorting people.
As far as other examples… Just imagine every single thing you know is connected, is under attack 100% of every day in every direction. Way before the current tension, the US has been in cyber warfare with Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, etc. Right now they’re all trying to steal each other’s classified data. Some off the books guys might be actively trying to meltdown a nuclear plant. The world is your oyster. Whatever you can imagine, it’s happening. That’s why those Industry meetups I attended exist. Lookup ISAC. Automotive, finance, healthcare, manufacturing… Every vertical has an org where the security leadership exchanges best practices in spite of corporate competition, “bc the bad guys are sharing tips, so why shouldn’t we?”
I think you’re talking about PRISM? Iirc they had a pipe directly from the Bell/At&t Telco building at the Brooklyn bridge but that could have been hearsay. But I’d argue he was just a historian, not a futurist. It’s always been the same. Just different tools.
cant wait for children to break into that technology for giggles
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Eh, an eternity of torment is too much no matter how many sins are committed in a single lifetime anyway.
Fear mechanisms sure are effective. It took a real long time to get to where people don’t put all their trust into the imaginary extradimensional space wizard. The comfort is that we’re mortal, and those fuckheads WILL DIE eventually.
I think god downvoted you.
I’m curious whether it was believers who are mad on behalf of their god, or non-believers who are as vindictive as the god they don’t believe in.
You are so gullible to think that they would simply allow themselves to suffer in hell. They’ll probably try to take Lucifer’s throne. I’d do that.
The horror of someone who believes deeply in eternity realizing in the very last moment of existence that there is no eternity, no nothing in fact, after this moment isn’t a fitting punishment for a villain?
I dunno, don’t knock it til you try it.
I cross many lines people consider ethical out of my hatred for them. There is no good and evil naturally, just what we create, and I have an admittedly unhealthy bottomless wellspring of hatred for the billionaire class. There’s no “enough”, not by any means, to satisfy the totality of the ill intent I wish upon them.
There is no good and evil naturally, just what we create
Which is love, which may wear scary forms, but it is always what gives us the power to sustain as beings through the fucking constant pain of suffering and injustice both within and without.
Billionaires should not exist.
IDK. Annihilation is not frightening. I will not be awake to experience it. The only frightening thing is that it’s hard to conceptualize not existing so you default to the nearest thing you can imagine which is a black void or being trapped in a coffin.
Annihilation itself isn’t scary, it is the moment before it that is scary.
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I’d rather their wealth just be redistributed, but I get the sentiment.
I don’t know why people are getting banned for saying this. i think everyone must die some day.
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Yeah I’m not one to defend billionaires, but this place is littered with pretty cruel and inhumane attitudes. Crazy how bold people can be behind a veil of anonymity. All sense of decency and emphathy simply gone.
I hardly approach that level of hated for the likes of Putin, Cheney, or Kissinger let alone some generalized billionaire strawman.
I mean, it’s sad she is dead. But billionaires shouldn’t exist. They have been stealing our time and money for so long.
Yeah I can agree with that. No billionaire should exist especially when we have terrible rates of homelessness, especially child homelessness, let alone myriad other metrics.
Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (perjorative, perjorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (perjorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect!
You have neglected to note that the original comment violates rule 6 against celebrating death.
whoops. oh well. i’m not a mod, nor do i have any duty to be neutral. i’m just saying you shouldn’t break the rules.
There have been a lot of very obvious rule violations on this post
