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    4 months ago

    “I literally can’t see the difference between ‘old man with shitty policies’, and ‘fundamental change in the power and decision-making structures of the country’. Both sides!”

    You really crave a day-one dictator that badly, huh?

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      To be critical of the candidate and the entire process is to automatically want the worst case scenario? What is this north korean level of loyalty you all are holding to biden? And lets be real. The democrats suck. They’re whats standing there guarding us against the forces of evil and chaos? I can’t even believe that at all but if it were true, we’d be so fucked anyway. Where is the meaningful climate legislation? Where are federally codified rights for LGBTQ+? Where is there anything enshrining abortion rights to all? When are we going to get a party that working people actually deserve? Most likely never, because no war but class war.

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      Old man with genocidal policies and old man with genocidal polices. I don’t think anything additional can really be compared to genocide as a big deal.

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    From your logic there is a difference and one is measurably worse but we should vote for the worse one because…someone pointed out how it is worse and doesn’t want me to vote that way.

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      Did you really conclude from this meme that I am saying you should vote for the worse option? That is exactly the propaganda of duality that the meme is about. You shouldn’t support either of these lunatics.

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    Jfc looking through your post history is like a textbook illustration of bad faith actorss

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    Whenever liberals tell you they care, just remember this beautiful phil ochs song!

    I cried when they shot Medgar Evers

    Tears ran down my spine

    I cried when they shot Mr. Kennedy

    As though I’d lost a father of mine

    But Malcolm X got what was coming

    He got what he asked for this time

    So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal

    I go to civil rights rallies

    And I put down the old D.A.R.

    I love Harry and Sidney and Sammy

    I hope every colored boy becomes a star

    But don’t talk about revolution

    That’s going a little bit too far

    So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal

    I cheered when Humphrey was chosen

    My faith in the system restored

    I’m glad the commies were thrown out

    Of the A.F.L. C.I.O. board

    I love Puerto Ricans and Negros

    As long as they don’t move next door

    So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal

    The people of old Mississippi

    Should all hang their heads in shame

    I can’t understand how their minds work

    What’s the matter don’t they watch Les Crain?

    But if you ask me to bus my children

    I hope the cops take down your name

    So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal

    I read New republic and Nation

    I’ve learned to take every view

    You know, I’ve memorized Lerner and Golden

    I feel like I’m almost a Jew

    But when it comes to times like Korea

    There’s no one more red, white and blue

    So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal

    I vote for the democratic party

    They want the U.N. to be strong

    I go to all the Pete Seeger concerts

    He sure gets me singing those songs

    I’ll send all the money you ask for

    But don’t ask me to come on along

    So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal

    Once I was young and impulsive

    I wore every conceivable pin

    Even went to the socialist meetings

    Learned all the old union hymns

    But I’ve grown older and wiser

    And that’s why I’m turning you in

    So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal

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    Remember that Hilary’s campaign was the ones that got Trump elected in the primaries, just so they can do this.

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      Your leap of logic here ought to win some sort of award

      To everyone else: Remember, they’re only investing so much incessant time and effort making these things and posting them, and arguing with everyone and getting all vigorous with their bad faith arguments, because you voting or not will absolutely make a difference in the election. It’s of a piece with gerrymandering, striking black and Democratic voters off the rolls, under equipping polling places in urban areas — a concerted effort to fight to undo the power that voting has to exercise influence that they don’t want you to have.

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        +1

        If voting didn’t work, there wouldn’t be so much effort poured into disenfranchising and disenchanting people from doing it.

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          So Hilary did have the power to impact elections just by deciding to, but instead of using her powers to get herself elected, she decided to bend her will to getting Trump the nomination, specifically so that after she lost we’d have four years of Trump and then four years of Biden all leading up to her master plan to coming to fruition: An election between Biden and Trump which doesn’t make much of a difference anyway, while she sits on the sidelines forgotten. Now that you point it out, I’m surprised I didn’t see it before. It’s all so clear now.

          No, don’t explain more about what you’re claiming happened. I don’t know what you think went on instead of what I just said, and I don’t care.

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            So Hilary did have the power to impact elections just by deciding to, but instead of using her powers to get herself elected, she decided to bend her will to getting Trump the nomination, specifically so that after she lost we’d have four years of Trump and then four years of Biden all leading up to her master plan to coming to fruition: An election between Biden and Trump which doesn’t make much of a difference anyway, while she sits on the sidelines forgotten.

            i don’t know if you could have made a more bad-faith interpretation

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            You compared influencing primaries to the election between parties. Pirmaries are easier to influence, in fact, they are not free at all. That is the whole point of this scam system, that primaries are rigged and you are only allowed to vote between to insane candidates that have mostly the same policies that make rich richer and poor poorer.

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        You are wrong, I and most people that ridicule elections, don’t tell people not to vote. Saying it doesn’t matter doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do it, just that if you actually want to do something important, it will not be with just voting. If you are so interested in voting, by all means, go vote. But if you are not actually doing anything other then voting or calling people to vote in elections, you are either doing nothing at all or just giving people false hope.

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          Ah, so you were actually posting an inspiring message about the power of one person to make a difference if they work for change, and the vital importance of getting involved in activism beyond electoral politics at this pivotal point in history. Silly me, how could I have misunderstood.

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            voting didn’t get people to take LGBTQ+ people seriously. it took a riot and anti-police action. history was not won by votes.

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            Probably because you got called out so you got focused on that without accepting it and asking, “ok I was wrong, but what should I do then?”. Instead you focused on defending yourself.

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              Defending myself against fascism winning in this election, yes. Absolutely, 100%. I plan to continue to do so.

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                the united states is not the beacon of freedom it shows itself to be in movies. it is an oppressive regime that is illegally occupying the hawaiian islands. what are you defending? is it perhaps your rights? your rights are secured by the exploitation of millions if not billions of people.