Well, shit. Unfortunate news from the Vinegar Discord: Roblox will block Wine in future releases.

This is going to end my “Steam Deck as a primary desktop PC for my kid” experiment.

    • Fubarberry@sopuli.xyzMEnglish
      262·
      9 months ago

      It’s an extremely popular platform for kids, and I think anything that will get kids trying Linux instead of windows is something we should want working.

  • MajorHavoc@programming.dev
    44·
    9 months ago

    Some people just hate fun, it seems.

    Roblox kids are future Linux admins, anyway. May as well let them get started under Wine.

  • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
    331·
    9 months ago

    How do you even block wine? It’s a compatibility layer? Even if you block it someone will just add a fix to get around it eventually won’t they?

    • NeryK@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      281·
      9 months ago

      I do not know, but the Vinegar people give it straight:

      Also last time around Wine support was broken for like 6 months and no one found a workaround. It was Roblox devs who re-enabled it later.

        • mihnt@lemmy.worldEnglish
          10·
          9 months ago

          Because it is. They are telling paying customers to get stuffed. I was planning on putting Linux on my daughter’s PC but with this she will never let me. Only computer left in the house with Windows on it. :(

          • NeryK@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
            8·
            9 months ago

            Just in case there is any misconception: this particular post does not emanate from anyone at Roblox. This is the Vinegar team closing shop and giving context. Vinegar was an open source project which made it easy to run Roblox on Linux.

            Roblox Corporation is the one telling a (likely very small) portion of their paying userbase to fuck off.

    • fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk
      351·
      9 months ago

      There’s a gamingonlinux article which might explain a bit.

      Very roughly, a few alterations to the anticheat to make it work on Wine made some of the anticheat’s workings apparent, which in turn allowed people to work out new exploits.

      Wine is an excellent tool for reverse engineering. Additionally, we had to disable many antitamper checks to make Hyperion run on Wine. This has allowed interested parties to learn a lot about the internal workings of Hyperion, relevant to both Win32 and UWP. As the initial shock of Hyperion’s release started wearing off, many people have begun discovering the various angles through which one can learn more about the inner workings of Hyperion.

      As to why all the anticheat stuff matters so much, I’m not quite sure.

      • ErwinLottemann@feddit.de
        262·
        9 months ago

        As to why all the anticheat stuff matters so much, I’m not quite sure.

        it’s probably not about anti-cheat but something with collecting data which is probably easier when you install a rootkit

    • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
      262·
      9 months ago

      2 big reasons I’ve seen.

      First is idiot csuite/suits at the top who think linux = haxxing and they somehow lose business by supporting them.

      Second is kind of true, that people have trouble running on linux and go to official forums asking for help, or leave negative reviews that they couldn’t get it to work, which isn’t fair to the developer.

  • zedekiah04@sh.itjust.works
    1·
    5 months ago

    This is going to end my “Steam Deck as a primary desktop PC for my kid” experiment.

    dual booting windows is always an option…

    • DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      615·
      9 months ago

      What if I don’t want to use windows? What if I find windows to be buggy and unstable and all around just unpleasant to use? What if I don’t want to have to reboot my PC or my deck every time I get the slightest urge to play shitty simulators or one of the millions of backrooms games?

      • Rustmilian@lemmy.worldEnglish
        8·
        9 months ago

        I wonder if it’s possible to get running via waydroid, ofc, not really an option on SteamOS, but outside of that.

          • Rustmilian@lemmy.worldEnglish
            81·
            9 months ago

            You need the binder kernel modules such as binder_linux which aren’t included in the SteamOS kernel as well a needing to config up systemd services, etc.
            Updating SteamOS will break all this do to it’s image based “immutable” nature.

      • jordanlund@lemmy.world
        1230·
        9 months ago

        Some applications just require Windows. You have to acknowledge that if you’re going to use a non-Windows device.

        I have the same discussion with my wife every time some website doesn’t work. “Are you using a real browser or are you in Safari?”

        • Otkaz@lemmy.world
          322·
          9 months ago

          I think you’re missing the point that it is working and they are intentionally breaking it.

            • Skyhighatrist
              132·
              9 months ago

              Right, someone else does it too, so that obviously makes it OK right?

              • ErwinLottemann@feddit.de
                413·
                9 months ago

                just because doom runs on everything not every software needs to run in any environment. it’s a shitty move to actively break working things but in the end they are not obligated to anyone but their shareholders. and if they think that is what they need to do then let them.

                • Otkaz@lemmy.world
                  4·
                  9 months ago

                  And apathy is why so many businesses are getting away with anti consumer practices.