Because you are starving yourself anon
Of course your senses gonna be enthusiastic when they see a single gram of external energy
During the hundreds of thousands of years we were nomadic persistence hunters, do you think we ate daily? Three square meals?
A rough rule of thumb is humans can go 3 days without water, 3 weeks without food and 3 minutes without oxygen.
Humans have literally evolved to fast for long periods and then have a huge feast once the prey is caught.
So no, he’s not “starving” himself by avoiding stuffing his face for a few days.
starving
Calorie deficit that causes weight loss is starving. It’s the definition of the word.
It isn’t though. Why didn’t you even check, when leaving a comment like that?
starvation
noun
*suffering or death caused by lack of food.
“thousands died of starvation”
Op didn’t suffer. In fact, quite the opposite, wouldn’t you say?
The not eating part was the suffering. Food later was the pleasure.
There’s an initial period where there’s a bit of hunger pangs, sometimes, but I wouldn’t say there’s suffering.
Then you get an incredible high and the hunger subsides. Feels amazing, honestly.
And I’m no stranger to recreational drugs.
but I wouldn’t say there’s suffering.
I’ve done intermittent fasting and it doesn’t feel amazing.
With IM I don’t really get to that energetic sweet spot.
It’s more like 24h+ into the fast than in the 16-20 range.
That’s when you’re still somewhat hungry.
Cooking after some 30 hours of fasting is amazing. Everything smells fucking amazing and makes you salivate. People go in for healthy diets usually I think but I just feast.
One time made this amazing deer bolognese sauce, simmered it for ages. Spaghetti, fresh parmeesian (hehe) and a salad of nice fresh tomatoes and some other goodies. A nice beer on top of that.
Mmmm-mmmm-mmm.
Got to do that at home though, since usually that slaps the digestive tract awake and I have to run to the bathroom.
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Water fasting means you only intake water.
3 days with only water can still “dehydrate” you but in the sense of electrolyte imbalance, which often feels similar to dehydration.
This is an important thing to note.
It’s easy to avoid though. Simply put a few grains of salt into your water.
In the army, as a supply-core nco, that was a must, especially in the summer. A spoon of salt for every jug. I’m gonna refrain from putting the ratios here, because I don’t want anyone to go necking salt because of me. Normally we get enough salt from food, so I’m afraid of some trendy would-be healthy kids starting to add a bunch of salt into their water bottles even when they don’t do any sweating, thinking it’s healthy for them.
Hyponatremia ends up killing marathon runners pretty commonly, more often than heart attacks but to be fair I wouldn’t expect marathon runners to have a lot of the associated risk factors.
I started fasting thanks to my childhood hero’s unintended advice. I’d seen him around all the time but never managed to talk to him as a kid. Even after he’d improved, he was still frequently blue but became elated at the mere mention of fasting. He could go on about it for ages, bragging and joking.
All the friends in the world couldn’t break his unhealthy lifestyle, but they certainly tried. His best friend Miles in particular tried everything to get him to eat well, but concern can’t overcome inertia, only aid you in doing so.
The 90s were a rough time for him and I sincerely believe that fasting saved his life. I caught a glimpse of him back then standing on the sidewalk with a hotdog in each hand, chili dripping off his face, belly distended and groaning like a ship losing rivets, surrounded by worried faces. His eyes shot open as he finally overcame inertia. He said to no one in particular the words that changed my paunchy little life. “Gotta go fast.”
I did try to spoiler this to not spoil the other comment, but I couldn’t get it to work. Can you spoiler images?
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You can… well… link to it instead
Fasting has changed my life.
Fast for 20 hours, eat for 4, then do whatever I want 1 day a week. I’ve lost 50 pounds and kept it off for 8 years. Any time I start to creep back up, I’ll start fasting again. Magic.
The “do whatever you want one day a week” implies that you do the 20/4 six days a week?
Correct
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Called fast/feast. You can just eat whatever, whenever.
Most people feasibly can’t eat enough in 4 hours to overeat.
It is simply a method of self control and calorie restriction for people who have trouble otherwise. I did it for a while and it worked very well.
I wish I was most people…
Same. I don’t get hungry or full so I developed a terrible relationship with food where I eat when I am bored or as a trained response to video games and such. I will forget to eat or eat way too much. I pushed my limits when I was heavily counting calories in university one time with an open cafeteria and ate something like 8000 calories and one sitting. I almost puked from the pure volume, but I could just keep going.
The one bright side is that doing a water fast is easy in that I don’t get hungry. I have gone 17 days before and felt fine. But then I love cooking and I was just constantly thinking about food lol
What do you mean “eat for 4”?
What OP is referring to is intermittent fasting. In a 24 hour day, you don’t eat or fast for x # hours and then allow yourself a time window of y # hours where you are allowed to eat. In OP’s case, they are fasting for 20 hours and allow themselves a 4 hour time period per day where they can eat. It helps with a calorie deficit by limiting when you can eat, rather than mindless eating throughout the day. It can be a helpful tool for some.
Makes sense, but I think I’d end up packing a whole day’s worth of meals into that four hours.
It’s possible to do, but harder than it seems. Especially if you add in requirements like getting a few cups of green veggies and a 100g of protein. That shit will fill you up fast!
Yeah, I suppose if you have the willpower to go through with it you’re probably gonna do it the right way and not just get a huge plate of Chinese food
Sometimes I do just eat a huge plate of Chinese food, but I’ll feel really gross after. It’s like my body knows it needs the best food so I’m always craving green veggies and nuts
I’m not a fat fuck so I haven’t done this.
But once I was going to an all you can eat meat place after work so I had a small breakfast and drank water in bulk through the day or your stomach closes. I felt full the next day haha.
It’s kinda hard to eat loads if you haven’t eaten for a while.
Eat for 4 hours.
So in one day, do not eat during 20h period, then eat during a 4h period.
You shouldn’t do this kind of stuff without talking to your doctor and have a blood panel done.
For water only and 3 days in a row yes, but fasting once a week is harmless and has benefits
And you should still consult a doctor first. If I did that I would likely die.
Genuine question: why?
I mean I can imagine that it’s heavy stress for the body but I’m surprised you’re sure of death.I have diabetes. If I didn’t eat for 3 days I would go into a coma and likely die.
Another genuine question: is it possible to have diabetes and not know it until you try a fast?
My ex only found out she had diabetes because she ate a bunch of candy and slipped into a short coma (like 4 hours) so I would assume the opposite is possible.
A lot of people are pre-diabetic or diabetic and don’t know until they’re tested so possibly.
Only if you were removed enough to keep taking insulin while fasting
You mean rich enough? I don’t take meds for it. I control it via diet and exercise.
That’s not how any of that works: Insulin tells fat cells to leech sugar out of the blood and convert it into fat. Type 1 diabetes means you can’t produce insulin (it’s an autoimmune disorder attacking the cells producing it), type 2 means that your fat cells have seen so much insulin that they dial down their response to it, to the point where you cannot produce enough to regulate your blood sugar.
In any case taking insulin while fasting will only make you keel over faster as you’ll deplete the little sugar that’s left in your blood, and also actively hinder the reverse (fat to sugar) pipeline.
Diabetics can fast and type 2 can even be reversed like that but you absolutely need a doctor to take regular blood tests. Type 1s don’t want to they’re happy if they get at least a bit of body fat onto them.
I’m type 1 and you can have all of my fat. Isn’t ot harder to lose weight with diabetes? Why would it be harder to put on fat?
That’s not true bro. You can manage your basal rate and not eat for a week. Trust me. Type 1. Almost three decades. There’s been two points in my life where I couldn’t hold down water, and had to be intubated after a few days.
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Probably because he talked to his doctor?
The body’s metabolic rate and capability of storing and converting sugar is different for every person. Some people actually struggle to maintain a healthy weight because they can lose it too quickly, and it’s often a stigma for bodybuilders and fighting sport athletes. Some people’s metabolic rate is so efficient that they would bottom out on blood sugar by day 2 and risk becoming comatose, and if they were to eat something like 12 bananas in that state then their natural insulin levels would send their blood sugar through the roof with risk of going into shock.
For most people it’s good to very slowly and very carefully ease into new eating habits, stopping changes before it becomes dangerous. For example, water fasting for a day every week for a couple of weeks is fine, and if you’re comfortable you can add another day. Jumping straight into a long fast with no minerals or grain breads/crackers is dangerous.
I actually recommend that people choose a high oil diet over a high sugar diet in case they only eat once a day, because while it can potentially send blood sugar up for an extended period of time that also means it has the benefit of a slow release of energy over time compared to sugar which raises it quickly for a short period of time.
A general rule of thumb is that you can go 3 days without water, 3 weeks without food and 3 minutes without oxygen.
You would not die of fasting for three days unless you’re severely diabetic and had a hypoglycemic shock, as long as you hydrate properly.
If you were stuck in a desert though, sweating your ass off, and only had purified water (and in this hypothetical you’re on a planet which has 80-hour days so there’s no cool nights in between), you would probably die.
But of a lack of electrolytes, not hunger. Sodium is a critical electrolyte that, along with potassium and chloride, helps to deliver water to your body’s cells.
So with a few of those single-use salt bags from McD you’d be fine.
I’m a supply-core NCO (in the reserve tho) and my job was literally keeping soldiers fighting fit. We went over a lot of things related to things like these.
Barring any severe medical conditions, people can fast 3 days with water.
But remembering electrolytes is important. During the summer, we’d add a spoon of salt to every 30l water jug, to prevent the troops from dehydrating. Still, despite that, going for a piss got aptly nicknamed “tossing syrup”, as the piss had a consistency of maple syrup, more or less. (I lost 10kg in my first two weeks of basic training, which was in July. A hot July.)
I bet you believe in the food pyramid, too.
He didn’t argue that your personal medical condition is a lie, only that it doesn’t apply to average healthy people.
A non-underweight and otherwise healthy adult can forego food for a week without issue, it’s not that big a deal. We would never have survived evolution if we couldn’t do that.
It’s exactly why we store energy as fat in the first place, so when the getting is good it prepares us for when it isn’t.
surviving and healthy are two different things.
It puts stress on your body. Not a problem for most people, but can still put people in danger if preexisting conditions exist
Exercise puts stress on your body. Not a problem for most people, but can still put people in danger if preexisting conditions exist.
The thing about stress is that complete lack of it is a stress all of its own. Aside from psychological stress, that is, that one is wholly superfluous.
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No kidding. I’ve been malnourished before. There’s a moment after taking vitamins and having a meal when it feels like the best drug ever. Better than dilaudid. Better than cocaine. Better than an orgasm. Apparently, according to my previous sexual partners and what I I’ve seen in pornos, I tend to have way more intense and longer lasting orgasms than most males. Still, the feeling of getting nutrients in my bloodstream after starving felt better than that…for about 20-30 mins! I was seriously just rubbing my skin and stretching my muscles, looking like I was in pure ecstasy. Imagine the peak of orgasm for 20-30 mins long. If that feeling could be turned into a drug, it would be the most addictive drug ever known.
I do intermittent fasting (apparently, wasn’t aware of the concept until a friend of mine was describing it as there new diet plan and I was like “Damn, I’ve been doing that for years”) and usually feel like shit after I eat. Not sure they’re related though it might be that I just have a shitty digestive system.
I think it’s called heroin.
I tried water fasting and felt great until around day 3 when insomnia kicked in
That would be about the point where your body runs out of natural electrolyte stores. Eating is more than calories, we constantly consume small amounts of electrolytes, vitamins, minerals, etc, all calorie-neutral things that are exceptionally vital to your body functioning right. Once those levels get wack, weird shit starts to happen.
It’s why dieting is less about “stop eating” and more about “eat less but choose small amounts of very nutrient dense (NOT calorie dense) foods”.
So what I am hearing is I need to drink Gatorade around day 3. Got it.
Glycogen might have run out, or ran out of amino acids/protein and consequently neurotransmitters until muscle wasting accelerates
Sorry Anon, everything you say is true, but you’re sentencing yourself to thinking about food all day every day.
Fasting may be not healthy, unless your doctor say it is good for you. I’ve tried fasting and now I am a classic yo-yo problem example.
You’ve tried fasting, yes, but have you tried slowing?
Yoyo is more of a consistency issue imo. Calories in calories out is all of it. If you are yo yoing weight you are changing something at each end. I have always had that issue on diets until IF because life happens and you lose routine. With if I just dont eat unless I know its time, and my stomach is small so I fill up quicker. I bounced 230-270 for a decade. Now maintaining 190-200 and thats mostly water weight bouncing.
What does this yoyo mean?
Going fat after being slim, then losing weight, again going fat, etc.
A yoyo is a toy on a string that goes up and down.
Also an excellent cellist.
At the root, it means reverting to unhealthy habits/unhealthy eating. People would rather “blame the diet” but it’s 100% a behavioral issue. Understandable that some people have trouble facing this fact.
I think they’re saying they’re on a pendulum swinging between comfort/ discomfort. Low blood sugar sucks man. I don’t know how they do it. I have a fast metabolism, and hypoglycemic. I’m a little jealous these guys can even DO this.
The way I see it, it’s a good path to being able to move with less consequences to your joints. A bit like sugar free fizzy drinks? Are they good for you? No but if you can get to a healthier weight and then work from there they are a means to an end.
Ramadan isn’t that far away from now, maybe you should try that. Or don’t, it’s just a suggestion.
Ramadan is fucked.
At first I was like idgf what people do. But then my mate told me every Ramadan doctors and nurses collapse while on the job due to Ramadan.
Just imagine telling some kid “sorry your mum died, but the nurse fucked up the medicine because she was incredibly dehydrated because some guy that lived in a tent 2000 years ago commanded it”.
They should have to use their holiday days. Or just do their fucking job.
Yeah they’re not supposed to be fasting. Anyone who has even the slightest physical reason is excused. The poor, the ill, the old, the young, the pregnant, the required workers like doctors, police, fire, power line guys, etc …
If doctors and nurses are fasting it’s because they want to and if they’re passing out then they should be taking immediate steps to rectify that because they now fall into the ill category.
Thats just the way it is.
Loads of them do it and a few collapse because of it
While people who are ill and nurses/doctors are excluded from fasting, I have no doubt some of them still do.
Good point.
In boarding school one of my best friends was from Turkey, and I joined him for Ramadan. I actually had a lot of fun, we’d hoard food from the cafeteria throughout the day in his room, then hang out all night.
I’d never do it on my own, especially because I have no connection to the religion, but I’m still glad I participated.
Cool story.
What difference is the hotel you stay at going to make for your weight loss?
I don’t get what you mean by “the hotel I stay at”.
Ramada is a hotel chain in the US (and maybe other countries). They were just trying to be clever
Now it makes sense.
It was a joke about the famous hotel chain Rendezvous with Rama.
“Pretending to misunderstand what you said” is one of my favorite joke structures.Sometimes I’m good at making jokes, but I’m almost always terrible at understanding the jokes of others.
This could be a very serious problem.
No no see you’re supposed to say “no, that’s a book by Arthur C Clarke, you’re thinking of other thing that kinda has most of the same sounds”
Ah, you got arthritis in your ankles, got it
What’s it called?
I personally think it’s the worst way to fast. In the end, you can still eat a lot of unhealthy stuff in the morning and in the evening (timing differs, easier in winter) while you can’t drink any water during the day. Especially the latter part should just be a no go criteria for most people. Especially if you exercise physically in summer. Just completely whack in my opinion.
If the Christian way of fasting makes sense can be debated. But at least it raises no health concerns.
Anyone who has to do outside work is absolutely allowed to eat and drink water during the day. You wouldn’t go work in your garden, but construction workers are not fasting.
What’s water fasting? Not drinking enough water for multiple days?
Only drinking water and not eating.
Probably just only drinking water. AKA a normal fast.
Though to be fair most fasts still allow for other zero calorie drinks, like tea or coffee.
Obviously without milk or sugar or other calorie rich additives to be precise.
Actual coffee, not coffee-flavored beverages.
I’ve read that an intermittent fast will work with under 100 calories. So a drop of cream and teaspoon of sugar in your coffee is ok.
I decided to fast for Ramadan one year. I’m not religious, I just wondered what it was like. I knew it was dawn to dusk fasting, but didn’t know that you can’t drink anything either. I did an obstacle race with my son on weekend in 25 degree Celsius weather and it was very, very tough.
Anyway, I’m not sure there is such a thing as “normal” fasting. 😄
Stupid fad where people cycle consuming nothing but water for three days. Intermittent fasting (eg 14hr/day) is a far better approach
It sounds so dangerous. Not eating breakfast or lunch and having a big dinner is one thing, but literally eating nothing for 3 days? Talk to a doctor first.
I do a short fast 1-2 times a year and this isn’t far off. Hunger day 1 and 2 but by day 3 you’re full of energy. I wouldn’t break it with a juice box though, I like to do an Apple. Stick to whole foods and healthy fats.
He’s not exaggerating.
Can attest. I feel a little high after 24 hours or so on a water fast too, tingly and spaced, it’s an enjoyable way to safely lose weight.
Still plenty of energy of I have anything to do, but I can zone out watching tv all day and lose another half pound, or go for a long walk and goodbye a pound that day.
Sounds like a good way to lose money if you’re in the UK
We don’t all have a bunch of stones laying around to use as a weight metric
Sorry, how many washing machines is that?
Approximately three and a half badgers
I went for three consecutive weeks without eating last year. The food I got after was horrible, but it felt so good to eat.
Why three weeks?
I’m assuming a surgery of some kind.
So unlike OP, this person constantly got nutrition.
As someone who’s been on IV-feed after a surgery and someone who’s fasted just for fun, there’s a huge difference.
I mean eating the first time after both was good, but after fasting it was just so much better.
Correct. However, the year before I went two weeks on only water after a bad breakup.
People say the darndest things on 4chan.
