No one was inside a Waymo car as it was destroyed.

A crowd destroyed a driverless Waymo car in San Francisco::A Waymo car was destroyed in San Francisco as a crowd began vandalizing it and ultimately set the car on fire. Nobody was in the vehicle at the time.

  • masterspaceEnglish
    111·
    11 months ago

    Those are great but how are you going to deliver goods to people’s homes? Transport furniture? Home Reno materials? Kids + their sports equipment?

    How are you going to get the last mile to a home down a country road in winter with rain, sleet, and snow?

    Yes, we can minimize our usage of cars, but as you scale up the capabilities of a cargo bike you just reinvent the car.

    • barsoap@lemm.eeEnglish
      7·
      11 months ago

      Those are great but how are you going to deliver goods to people’s homes? Transport furniture? Home Reno materials? Kids + their sports equipment?

      With trucks, minivans, cargo bikes, and backpacks and hand carts. The first two are commercial vehicles, the last two private, the one in the middle either.

      How are you going to get the last mile to a home down a country road in winter with rain, sleet, and snow?

      With your tractor? Rather pointless to buy a car just for that distance and if you don’t own a tractor what are you doing out there.

      • masterspaceEnglish
        110·
        11 months ago

        With trucks, minivans, cargo bikes, and backpacks and hand carts. The first two are commercial vehicles, the last two private, the one in the middle either.

        Cool, regardless of whether they’re commercial or or private, it would still be better if they killed fewer people than they do today.

        With your tractor? Rather pointless to buy a car just for that distance and if you don’t own a tractor what are you doing out there.

        I don’t think you’ve spent much time in the country, most people don’t own tractors. It’s not just farmers as far as the eye can see, they still require a huge community / support system of electricians, mechanics, plumbers, shops and suppliers, entertainment, etc.

        • barsoap@lemm.eeEnglish
          7·
          11 months ago

          Cool, regardless of whether they’re commercial or or private, it would still be better if they killed fewer people than they do today.

          Then build streets that take pedestrians and cyclists into account and make sure that people don’t have to commute by car. That’s the coffee-drinking mobile-swiping distracted drivers thinking their Tesla can drive for them.

          It’s not just farmers as far as the eye can see, they still require a huge community / support system of electricians, mechanics, plumbers, shops and suppliers, entertainment, etc.

          …in a village, which means bus stop in walking distance, not in single home with a five kilometre driveway. Also electricians, mechanics, plumbers, shops and suppliers all have commercial vehicles, entertainment the fuck do you mean? If there’s a cinema in the village chances are the operators live in the same building, if it’s a circus troupe they have wagons because itinerant.

          • masterspaceEnglish
            111·
            11 months ago

            Then build streets that take pedestrians and cyclists into account and make sure that people don’t have to commute by car.

            Cool beans bro, you can do that, you’ll still have cars for the reasons I listed above. There is literally no city in existence where an elderly person can get to their doctor’s appointment in the middle of snow and rain without a car.

            …in a village, which means bus stop in walking distance, not in single home with a five kilometre driveway.

            Lmao. No it doesn’t. You’re not going to have a machine shop or feed supply shop in a village, it’s the size of a lumber yard and not zoned to be in a residential area.

            Also electricians, mechanics, plumbers, shops and suppliers all have commercial vehicles,

            Again, what’s your point about commercial vs private. Do you think self driving technology cares? Also that Waymo taxi they trashed is a commercial taxi.

            entertainment the fuck do you mean? If there’s a cinema in the village chances are the operators live in the same building, if it’s a circus troupe they have wagons because itinerant.

            Restaurants, theatres, rinks, stadiums, etc. You know, stuff people do for entertainment.

            Also, lmfao at this specifically:

            If there’s a cinema in the village chances are the operators live in the same building

            It’s not 1920 with a projectionist living in an apartment beside the projection room.

            • barsoap@lemm.eeEnglish
              61·
              10 months ago

              There is literally no city in existence where an elderly person can get to their doctor’s appointment in the middle of snow and rain without a car.

              Your health insurance doesn’t pay for a taxi or transport ambulance if you’re immobile? What kind of 3rd world shithole do you live in (don’t say I know the answer: America).

              You’re not going to have a machine shop or feed supply shop in a village, it’s the size of a lumber yard and not zoned to be in a residential area.

              That’s not a village that’s a farm.

              Again, what’s your point about commercial vs private. Do you think self driving technology cares?

              What’s the point of self driving when the car doesn’t need to move without someone in it?

              Restaurants, theatres, rinks, stadiums, etc. You know, stuff people do for entertainment.

              On your farm with ten kilometre driveway?

              It’s not 1920 with a projectionist living in an apartment beside the projection room.

              Then what went wrong?

              • masterspaceEnglish
                16·
                10 months ago

                Your health insurance doesn’t pay for a taxi or transport ambulance if you’re immobile? What kind of 3rd world shithole do you live in (don’t say I know the answer: America).

                A taxi, you mean like a car? You mean like the Waymo taxi that was trashed?

                That’s not a village that’s a farm.

                We’re discussing how there are people in the country who don’t own tractors.

                What’s the point of self driving when the car doesn’t need to move without someone in it?

                Because self driving cars have the potential to be safer and less dangerous than human drivers. Waymo’s safety record is already better than the average human on a per mile basis.

                On your farm with ten kilometre driveway?

                The people who work those jobs, also live out in the country.

                • barsoap@lemm.eeEnglish
                  51·
                  10 months ago

                  A taxi, you mean like a car? You mean like the Waymo taxi that was trashed?

                  Yes. I never said that those things have no place.

                  We’re discussing how there are people in the country who don’t own tractors.

                  Then either they should have a bus station in walking distance or be covered by a collect taxi service.

                  Because self driving cars have the potential to be safer and less dangerous than human drivers. Waymo’s safety record is already better than the average human on a per mile basis.

                  The average human is not a good driver. You have to compare performance, and not just safety but also route efficiency, flexibility to unforseen events etc. not against the average driver, but professional taxi drivers.

                  The people who work those jobs, also live out in the country.

                  Why the fuck don’t they live at the farm. What’s it with USians trying to make everything as hard for themselves as possible.

                  • masterspaceEnglish
                    15·
                    10 months ago

                    Yes. I never said that those things have no place.

                    Then why trash an autonomous taxi?

                    Then either they should have a bus station in walking distance or be covered by a collect taxi service.

                    Lol. You do not understand the distances involved.

                    The average human is not a good driver. You have to compare performance, and not just safety but also route efficiency, flexibility to unforseen events etc. not against the average driver, but professional taxi drivers.

                    Until we live in your made up fantasy world where the only drivers allowed on the road are professionals, then sure. But we’re not, we’re discussing real world performance today.

                    Why the fuck don’t they live at the farm.

                    Because they’re not farmers, try and keep up with the conversation.

                    What’s it with USians trying to make everything as hard for themselves as possible.

                    I’m not American, and it took literally thousands of years of development to turn Europe into what it is today, so maybe try and have some perspective on the feasibility of your “solutions”.