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      The whole idea of the article is pr marketing by the cruise ship, lol.

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        Their comments are PR mitigation. Pulling up to the whale butchering was definitely not a PR stunt.

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      Sustainability of the things that entertain their passengers so the cruise line can continue to make more money.

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            Sure, I’m just saying that just because it’s a cruise line doesn’t mean the passengers are rich. It can cost <$1k or so for a weeklong cruise, which is cheaper than a lot of vacations.

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              $1k USD is over a year’s wages for someone at the global poverty line.

              Just because it’s cheaper than other more expensive alternatives doesn’t mean it’s not expensive and extravagant. It’s also a lot more polluting than some of your more expensive vacations you could compare it to; so in reality, it’s not actually cheaper, it just externalizes some of the costs on to the environment (or, the rest of humanity).

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                Sure, but if we’re comparing against the global population, anything more than a picnic at a place within walking distance could be considered extravagant. I’m close with a lot of people for whom an air-conditioned bus ride to the nearest major city once/year is out of reach (something like $20/person). I understand that poverty exists, and I have lived among those experiencing it.

                The context he is that these are likely average people, not wealthy people, relative to the country they come from. You’re not likely to find millionaires and certainly not billionaires on a cruise. Wealthier people tend to prefer to escape large groups of people (i.e. they’ll have a cabin or something somewhere), not get stuck on a massive ship with hundreds or thousands of other people.

                The passengers on the cruise ship aren’t your enemies, the owners of the cruise lines and the international community that gives them massive exceptions to the rules are the ones to blame. Cruises can absolutely be much more efficient, but they’re not because the people in charge let them pollute and any fines for abuse of what few laws exist tend to be merely a slap on the wrist.

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    Hunting and killing methods have been improved to ensure as little harm to the whales as possible.

    Apart from the … hunting and the killing.

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      Why even hunt whales in the first place? Sure, it’s one big food source when you snag one, but people who have tried whale say it’s bland and uninteresting. It’s just a bunch of fat. And it takes a lot of effort to kill it, haul it, parse it out, etc.

      Fish farms give you much more good quality meat without all of the species endangerment.

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        There are certain very small remote communities in the far north that are isolated and hard to reach. Whale and seal hunting provides a guaranteed food source for these small communities so that they don’t have to depend on incredibly expensive (both resource and moneywise) imports. The Faroe Islands is not one of those places because obviously a cruise ship can easily get to it.

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          I have been to Iceland and Greenland and Alaska and Norway, etc. I promise you there is no utilitarian need to hunt whales in any of these places. They all have grocery stores where you can buy pineapples for reasonable prices.

          We can argue tradition, but there is no utility here.

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            I have lived in two of those places for years and I can tell you that you have no idea what you’re talking about.

            For example, Fairbanks is only one third of the way up Alaska. There’s still so much left north of it.

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        It’s definitely not just fatty and bland. I’ve had it on Svalbard, where there’s no farming or husbandry going on because it’s too far up north.

        Whale tastes a lot like beef, so yeah, might as well have that instead.

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        Exactly. Plus the article itself talks about the mercury poisoning risks associated with eating whales and dolphins.

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          If people knew how fucking easy it was to create different perfume/cologne scents and the markup for each scent, there would be riots in the streets. They can’t even be regulated to put their ingredients on their bottles, because it would reveal the secret.

          You don’t need “rare whale vomit” to make a goddamn perfume.

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      We just line them up against the wall and shoot them in the blowhole. It’s the most humane way, really. /s

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    Cruiselines should stop going to Faroe until the hunts stop, or the cruiselines should shut the f up. Its just lip service without tangible action.

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    In completely unrelated news, some whales seem to be attacking boats/yachts. How weird! Why could this be?

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    I mean, the cruise ship and its inhabitants are “guests” so I’m not sure where they get off telling the locals what to do?

    While I certainly don’t condone hunting and killing whales (I also don’t eat meat for the same reasons, ie. animals shouldn’t have to suffer just so they can tantalize our taste buds), if these are local customs and it’s not harming the environment then maybe people shouldn’t be all high-and-mighty about it. Especially if they are chowing down on veal, lamb, or any meat for their meals.

    Considering where these people live, I’m guessing historically speaking being fully vegetarian may not have been an option, so I wouldn’t really judge them too harshly for customs that were likely built around survival as much as anything else. But maybe I’m off base, just guessing really.

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      Yeah, if the people on the cruise genuinely cared about the environment, they wouldn’t be on a cruise, it’s one of the most polluting ways to see the world, it not only directly hurts the ocean and everything in it, and everyone who depends on it (and not many people actually do any more, and like you say, most of those on board are probably eating animals), but the air too, and in a potential shift to battery powered ships, whatever damage making those causes, as well as other shit like by bringing covid to islands.

      Blaming the destruction of the ocean on islanders sustaining themselves and not on the companies dumping garbage and pouring sewage and oil and god knows what else in to the sea, and the people who literally profit from dong that (like from them, on the cruise), is quite foul.

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      i agree. some values are universal, like what should be considered cruel, but slaughtering pigs is pretty cruel too (i eat them anyways!). to me, what’s funny here is how privileged first world people just hate to see how the hot dog is made, so to speak.

      it’s like privileged people hating to simply see homeless people in cities even though the system that makes people homeless is necessary to keep the high property values that they benefit from. the mere witness of the cruelty we benefit from in modern society makes the privileged one feel like a victim.

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        Indeed. The reason hunting whales etc. could be seen as unethical is because we were driving them to extinction, which doesn’t seem to be the case here. Any other lines that people draw for themselves about what animals we should / shouldn’t eat is completely arbitrary.

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        Yeah, I’m a vegan but I don’t bother telling you bloodmouths what I really think of you. It won’t change your mind and will only make me frustrated if I let myself give a shit.

        Mockery is much better than outrage.

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      I’m on the Faroe islands right now. This isn’t exactly a climate or geology fit for large scale farming, so you’re right in that being a vegetarian would have been rough here. Even now quality veggies seem hard to find in the small villages. Everything needs to be imported.

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      Not harming the environment, just killing a couple of whales here and there!

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    Great news if you hate people who go on cruises AND whales 👍

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    I thought whales were protected. I’m guessing just a few species are protected, and those were not. Sad

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      Not saying I approve, but there’s carve outs when the whaling is part of a local tradition. Also, Pilot Whales are in the Least Concern category, so they’re not going extinct from this.

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        They shouldn’t have apologized at all. Should have just said something akin to: “This is Faroe at this time of year, you’re lucky we were able to arrive in time to witness this unique experience”… passengers can make up their mind if they still want that as a port.

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      Protection only goes so far and is basically in enforced since no one is going to be willing to go to war to enforce these regs. Look at what the Japanese do… These hunts also use boats to herd them into inlets that are not in international waters for slaughter.

      Additionally the folks in the Faroe Islands may have some type of exemption for certain things as they consider whaling a part of their culture/cultural traditions.

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    I read this as:

    Wealthy, coddled city-dwellers—for each of whom thousands of animals, bred for fatness and compliance, are raised in factories and systematically slaughtered—upset to witness sustainable, traditional harvest practices. Floating corporate safety bubble apologises for failing to protect their naivete.

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    Faroe also hunts puffins. Puffins are best bird. There’s literally no reason.