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We have. Secure the border. Repeal the NFA. Go hard on crime. Voter ID. Parental rights. Outlaw Abortion (Among some of us, we arent a monolith) Outlaw Puberty Blockers (Again, among some). EVs (Among some) Enshrine the right to repair. Hell, even culture war shit, might as well throw in the guys who care way too much about movies and entertainment.
I can go on, but I’m starting to get into the weeds here.
I’m really struggling to comprehend some of these.
“Life sure is tough nowadays. I feel like the American dream is dead and I’m struggling to get by. If only the government could help.”
“Don’t worry! I hear the government just [removed gun restrictions / made prison sentences longer / gave everyone an ID / outlawed abortion / outlawed puberty blockers / made showing gay things on tv illegal]!”
“Finally! My life is sure to improve for the better!”
Life sure is tough nowadays. I feel like the American dream is dead and I’m struggling to get by. If only the government could help
You’re aware that not everyone shares your point of view, and political opinions about what should be done, right? Because it just seems stupid to cry about a political party you don’t support anyway representing what people who disagree with you want the government to be doing.
“What policy do you think would improve people’s lives?”
“Make the national anthem death metal”
“Uhh alright that’s a weird one. I’m really not seeing how that would improve people’s lives”
“Look man, not everyone shares your opinions”
Yeah I get that, but that really doesn’t help me understand! I do understand some of the responses. Immigration policy changes? Sure. Not everyone’s going to agree on it, but I can see how it can effect the lives of the average person.
How is banning puberty blockers going to improve the life of the average person? No judgement, I really honestly truly don’t understand. Everyone has more guns? What improves? I don’t get it!
Theres more than just the economy, but securing the border, deporting illegals, and raising tariffs will make things better for American workers. Hard to compete with cheap 3rd world countries.
Hell you could go further and slow down the worker visa programs, although I’m not sure how many agree with me on that.
There’s a trade-off you have to make with tariffs.
By raising tariffs, you protect the industry from foreign competition. Sure, workers might have relatively more secure jobs than they would otherwise, but the product of their work is also more expensive and would cost consumers more. Without the tariffs, the industry would be required to produce lower cost goods to compete with foreign counterparts, workers have more precarious jobs, but consumers spend less over all.
The thing is workers are consumers in other areas of their life. The Libertarian justification for eliminating tariffs is that, without tariffs, people have more economic liberty through lower costs to make optimal choices in their lives. Their rejection of tariffs derives from the inefficiencies tariffs introduce into the market that raise costs and hamper economic liberty. So, if, as you say, we raise tariffs to protect American workers, we’re cutting off our hand to save our fingers.
Culture war bullshit is not an example of the GOP building something up to help the average American. If you think that was a good example, no wonder the GOP never gets anything real done.
You guys shot that down, because preventing Biden from having a win was more important.
Just parroting the line doesn’t make it true. The bill was shot down because it was fucking abysmal and wouldn’t actually accomplish anything. It was the bare minimum democrats had to do to try and shift the blame for problems they caused and refuse to fix. Not an actual solution.
The bill was shot down because it was fucking abysmal and wouldn’t actually accomplish anything.
Right. Republicans were demanding it go through until the moment Trump said it was bad. But it was actually the result of it not accomplishing enough. /s
You can read it for yourself and make your own decisions rather than relying on people who hate America to interpret it for you.
Don’t worry I won’t rely on you to interpret it for me.
The 4,000 number that triggers a border close doesn’t close it, it only gives the option to close it.
(A) DISCRETIONARY ACTIVATION.—The Secretary may activate the border emergency authority if, during a period of 7 consecutive calendar days, there is an average of 4,000 or more aliens who are encountered each day.
Then there’s the 5000 trigger but naturally there are exceptions.
Even those loopholes were not enough so they made sure they could ignore the mandatory closing.
Whenever the border emergency authority is activated, the Secretary shall have the authority, in the Secretary’s sole and unreviewable discretion, to summarily remove from and prohibit, in whole or in part, entry into the United States of any alien identified in subsection (a)(3) who is subject to such authority in accordance with this subsection.>
So, just to be clear, the border should be closed even to people with who valid visas or are otherwise lawfully permitted to enter into the U.S. when the border emergency authority is activated?
Like, if an Israeli citizen shows up and wants to get through…they should be rejected if the border emergency authority is activated?
Matter of fact, I’ll do some reading for you. You tell me if these things are bad.
For an additional amount for ‘‘U.S. Immigration and19 Customs Enforcement—Operations and Support’’,$7,600,833,000, to remain available until September 30, 2026: Provided, That of the total amount provided under this heading in this Act, $3,230,648,000 shall be for increased custodial detention capacity, $2,548,401,000 shall be for increased removal flights and related activities, including short-term staging facilities, $534,682,000 shall be for hiring U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement personnel, and $1,287,102,000 shall be for increased enrollment capabilities and related activities within the Alternatives to Detention program…
DEPARTMENT OF STATE INTERNATIONAL NARCOTICS CONTROL AND LAW ENFORCEMENT
For an additional amount for ‘‘International Narcotics Control and Law Enforcement’’, $25,000,000, to re main available until September 30, 2025, to counter the flow of fentanyl, fentanyl precursors, and other synthetic drugs into the United States…
SEC. 3203. INTERNAL RELOCATION.
(a) IN GENERAL .—Section 208(b)(2)(A) of the Im migration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1158(b)(2)(A)) is amended—
(1) in clause (v), by striking ‘‘or’’ at the end;
(2) in clause (vi), by striking the period at the end and inserting ‘‘; or’’; and
(3) by adding at the end the following: ‘‘(vii) there are reasonable grounds for concluding that the alien could avoid persecution by relocating to—‘‘(I) another location in the alien’s country of nationality; or‘‘(II) in the case of an alien having no nationality, another location in the alien’s country of last habitual residence.’’.
‘(b) BORDER EMERGENCY AUTHORITY DESCRIBED .—
‘‘(1) IN GENERAL .—Whenever the border emergency authority is activated, the Secretary shall have the authority, in the Secretary’s sole and unreviewable discretion, to summarily remove from and prohibit, in whole or in part, entry into the United States of any alien identified in subsection (a)(3) who is subject to such authority in accordance with this subsection.
All of those sections can be found in the link of my other comment. So, this isn’t even interpretation, just what is exactly in the bill.
Yeah, which means there’s more stuff that you’d probably find appealing in it!
Because if you read Republican criticisms of the bill, there’s no policy discussion. It’s not bad because tens of millions isn’t enough, or because ICE wasn’t given enough power to deport immigrants in the country with authorization, or anything else. It’s just bad, just dead on arrival, just a crap sandwich. No reasoning given for why, just that it is.
They’re abusing your trust in them to lie to you. The bill has what you want in it. It has what they want in it. So why isn’t it being passed?
Yeah, which means there’s more stuff that you’d probably find appealing in it
Why do you automatically assume that people are supposed to agree with it by default? It’s seriously that unfathomable in your mind that someone could read it and decide it isn’t a good bill?
I’m genuinely curious how you look at threads like this where he does nothing except be a total fucking condescending jackass and think “yeah, it’s reasonable to have this guy deciding who’s in good faith”
Also Im not going to pretend to fully understand ev hate, other than when assholes chop up classics to put in an ev drivetrain. I just put it in there because its usually conservatves who do it
We have. Secure the border. Repeal the NFA. Go hard on crime. Voter ID. Parental rights. Outlaw Abortion (Among some of us, we arent a monolith) Outlaw Puberty Blockers (Again, among some). EVs (Among some) Enshrine the right to repair. Hell, even culture war shit, might as well throw in the guys who care way too much about movies and entertainment.
I can go on, but I’m starting to get into the weeds here.
I’m really struggling to comprehend some of these.
“Life sure is tough nowadays. I feel like the American dream is dead and I’m struggling to get by. If only the government could help.”
“Don’t worry! I hear the government just [removed gun restrictions / made prison sentences longer / gave everyone an ID / outlawed abortion / outlawed puberty blockers / made showing gay things on tv illegal]!”
“Finally! My life is sure to improve for the better!”
You’re aware that not everyone shares your point of view, and political opinions about what should be done, right? Because it just seems stupid to cry about a political party you don’t support anyway representing what people who disagree with you want the government to be doing.
“What policy do you think would improve people’s lives?”
“Make the national anthem death metal”
“Uhh alright that’s a weird one. I’m really not seeing how that would improve people’s lives”
“Look man, not everyone shares your opinions”
Yeah I get that, but that really doesn’t help me understand! I do understand some of the responses. Immigration policy changes? Sure. Not everyone’s going to agree on it, but I can see how it can effect the lives of the average person.
How is banning puberty blockers going to improve the life of the average person? No judgement, I really honestly truly don’t understand. Everyone has more guns? What improves? I don’t get it!
Theres more than just the economy, but securing the border, deporting illegals, and raising tariffs will make things better for American workers. Hard to compete with cheap 3rd world countries.
Hell you could go further and slow down the worker visa programs, although I’m not sure how many agree with me on that.
There’s a trade-off you have to make with tariffs.
By raising tariffs, you protect the industry from foreign competition. Sure, workers might have relatively more secure jobs than they would otherwise, but the product of their work is also more expensive and would cost consumers more. Without the tariffs, the industry would be required to produce lower cost goods to compete with foreign counterparts, workers have more precarious jobs, but consumers spend less over all.
The thing is workers are consumers in other areas of their life. The Libertarian justification for eliminating tariffs is that, without tariffs, people have more economic liberty through lower costs to make optimal choices in their lives. Their rejection of tariffs derives from the inefficiencies tariffs introduce into the market that raise costs and hamper economic liberty. So, if, as you say, we raise tariffs to protect American workers, we’re cutting off our hand to save our fingers.
Naturally, Cato Institute is also in favor of increasing immigration.
True, there is a balance. Personally I think we can get more protective without cutting off our hand.
Hell, look at the chicken tax. Pickups have a big tariff on them, theyre made here, and theyre still very popular.
Yeah, and people who buy light trucks pay a premium for it then turn around and complain about high gas prices.
You guys shot that down, because preventing Biden from having a win was more important.
You guys pretty much admitted the panic over the border is not a priority, that it’s overblown. It’s just political theater.
Those are restrictions/undoing things, not actually building anything. Nor do they actually help people.
That’s some PR bullshit. All you guys are doing is outing LGBTQ youth, and destroying public education all under the guise of parental rights.
What do you mean EVs?
https://www.coloradopols.com/diary/187908/republicans-celebrate-right-to-repair-that-they-opposed
Culture war bullshit is not an example of the GOP building something up to help the average American. If you think that was a good example, no wonder the GOP never gets anything real done.
Just parroting the line doesn’t make it true. The bill was shot down because it was fucking abysmal and wouldn’t actually accomplish anything. It was the bare minimum democrats had to do to try and shift the blame for problems they caused and refuse to fix. Not an actual solution.
Right. Republicans were demanding it go through until the moment Trump said it was bad. But it was actually the result of it not accomplishing enough. /s
Quit fooling yourself.
Up until a week ago nobody knew what was in it, dems were only releasing bullet points. Once people read it they opposed it.
You can read it for yourself and make your own decisions rather than relying on people who hate America to interpret it for you.
Don’t worry I won’t rely on you to interpret it for me.
The 4,000 number that triggers a border close doesn’t close it, it only gives the option to close it.
Then there’s the 5000 trigger but naturally there are exceptions.
Even those loopholes were not enough so they made sure they could ignore the mandatory closing.
So, just to be clear, the border should be closed even to people with who valid visas or are otherwise lawfully permitted to enter into the U.S. when the border emergency authority is activated?
Like, if an Israeli citizen shows up and wants to get through…they should be rejected if the border emergency authority is activated?
Nice try at a straw man, I’m surprised you didn’t go the unaccomponied minor route.
But let me guess. You’re just going to cry anyway when people read it and decide that it fucking sucks?
You never know until you try
Matter of fact, I’ll do some reading for you. You tell me if these things are bad.
All of those sections can be found in the link of my other comment. So, this isn’t even interpretation, just what is exactly in the bill.
What is here that’s worth opposing exactly?
Thats not nearly all of it, thats a tiny snippet.
Yeah, which means there’s more stuff that you’d probably find appealing in it!
Because if you read Republican criticisms of the bill, there’s no policy discussion. It’s not bad because tens of millions isn’t enough, or because ICE wasn’t given enough power to deport immigrants in the country with authorization, or anything else. It’s just bad, just dead on arrival, just a crap sandwich. No reasoning given for why, just that it is.
They’re abusing your trust in them to lie to you. The bill has what you want in it. It has what they want in it. So why isn’t it being passed?
Why do you automatically assume that people are supposed to agree with it by default? It’s seriously that unfathomable in your mind that someone could read it and decide it isn’t a good bill?
I’m genuinely curious how you look at threads like this where he does nothing except be a total fucking condescending jackass and think “yeah, it’s reasonable to have this guy deciding who’s in good faith”
Gop != all conservatives. Again, not a monolith.
That bill would have made it worse.
ElectrIc vehicles. A lot of conservatives hate them and think we shouldnt be subsidizing them.
Zero explanation given, thanks. Really convincing.
So hatred of electric vehicles makes the average american better off? What the fuck are you talking about?
We webt over this in an earlier post, didnt we?
Also Im not going to pretend to fully understand ev hate, other than when assholes chop up classics to put in an ev drivetrain. I just put it in there because its usually conservatves who do it
But what does it have to do with helping the average american?
Ask them, not me.
But you’re the one who brought it up as support for the claim that conservatives are helping the average american.