Signal on Desktop survey?
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On this forum there is open discussion about Taking ownership of Signal Flatpak, but in my humble opinion, we need to have some measurements, before we can be taken more seriously by Signal desktop team. Can you please answer to bellow questions. Thank you. Which Signal on phone are you using: poll Which Signal on desktop are you using: poll Which method of installation are you using on Signal on desktop? poll If you are using Singal on Linux, on which Linux distribution you are using S...

There are big wishes for Signal to adopt the perfectly working Flatpak.

This will make Signal show up in the verified subsection of Flathub, it will improve trust, allow a central place for bug reports and support and ease maintenance.

Flatpak works on pretty much all Distros, including the ones covered by their current “Linux = Ubuntu” .deb repo.

To make a good decision, we need to have some statistics about who uses which package.

  • Daniel QuinnEnglish
    1·
    10 months ago

    No, I haven’t tried to poke a hole in a sandbox. Generally speaking, if I have a choice between pacman -S <app> or “install with Flatpak and then fiddle with sandbox settings” I opt for the former. I get that you think this is important, and Flatpak is a nifty idea, but in terms of usability, it has failed me repeatedly to the point where I don’t want to use it, so I don’t.

    You seem to be coming from a position of “Flatpak good, so everyone must use it”, which is nice, but it’s naïve. Flatpak is ok, but it has usability problems, and since you want people to use it, usability is kind of important. It also introduces a frustrating divide from a user perspective. The idea that “desktop apps” should be installed via Flatpak, and everything else with a proper package manager is madness from a user’s perspective. I don’t understand how you can’t see that, but you’re going to have to accept it 'cause newsflash: not everyone thinks like you.

    Finally, packaging for Flatpack is a Pain In The Ass. I say this as someone who’s tried it. The build system is clearly biased toward particular use cases and particular languages, which is great if you’re in that camp, but for everyone else it comes across as impractical for the intended purpose.

    So yeah, it’s great that this is important to you. Go ahead and develop the shit out of Flatpak, and maybe even work on the user experience some more. I’ll keep having a look from time to time, but for now, it’s not happening, and this attitude of yours, that the rest of us will just “need to adapt” to your preferred way of working… if I wanted that I’d use a Mac. GTFO.

    • Pantherina@feddit.deOP
      21·
      11 months ago

      Its easy. If you have a problem, report it. Instead of arguing about it they may have already fixed it.

      If you want to run a proprietary app unconfined, do so.

      But you also have to admit that reading some git config in a non flatpak directory is actively against the sandboxing principle, and thus requires manually allowing that access.

      Sure, flatpaks need more popups that do exactly that.

      Dividing “GUI apps” and other packages is easy. Go to a store, if it has an icon, install it via flatpak, if it has no icon, then you may not do that.

      Appstream metadata so to speak.

      Finally, packaging for Flatpack is a Pain In The Ass

      Agreed.

      okay maybe stop being so rude? Flatpak is the possibility for a secure system. We see how painfully slow adoption for that is on every Desktop, mac and windows too.

      But it is great to have this, and I am sure we could make your Pycharm work by applying that override. The rest has to be done by the developers and it is important to care.

      It is the same as with wayland, people need to change their software to ask for permission, follow standards and dont do weird shit. Only then the UX is solved.

      And by the way what is stopping you from just using some apps as native system apps, and flatpak for the rest?

      • Daniel QuinnEnglish
        1·
        10 months ago

        Dude, you’re the one being rude. I was done with this conversation yesterday and you just keep coming back like it’s an argument you can “win” by insisting that I think like you and change my behaviour to be like you.

        You started the whole thread looking for input and when you didn’t get the response you wanted you just berated the respondents telling then how wrong they were.

        I’m done here. You’ve forced me to go digging around Lemmy to see if there’s a block function.

        • Pantherina@feddit.deOP
          1·
          11 months ago

          Ok strange. I gave you a good and not one sided response.

          Like, totally strange. I dont see how my comment could have been offending in any way. You had a specific problem leading to a generalized conclusion.