ok, im gonna lock this thread,
ive gotten more reports on this one post than everything elsesince i became a mod.Ok, i exaggerate the amount of reports, however i have been keeping up with the comments, and ya’ll are devolving.
My personal feeling on this post are irrelevant, but enough is enough. If ya’ll cant have civil discourse, ima lock that shit down. This isnt reddit, lets be better, ok?
Nintendo fans apparently:
As a Nintendo fan, I’m ecstatic to see someone putting Pokemon in it’s place. They’ve squandered the franchise, and it’s about time for some comeuppance.
Precisely, the rabid fans are getting on Palworld’s case for making what they call low effort garbage as if Pokémon games haven’t been exactly that since Sword and Shield, maybe even before.
“bUt At ThE eNd Of ThE dAy It’S fUn”
just throw all their stupid arguments right back at them.
No the games aren’t similar at all. but as it stands Palworld has definitely tapped into the same market as Pokémon and hopefully its success is enough of a wake-up call for them to get their shit together and deliver a game worthy of the world’s most valuable IP. Instead of 3DS games guising as Switch games.
What are you talking about?
We have tons of pokemon like games, Pal World isn’t one of them
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I didn’t say it is “like pokemon”.
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It’s a great example of the things Pokemon COULD be doing with side games and spinoffs in their universe, if they weren’t cowards who insist on taking a step back for every time they take a step forward.
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Jesus christ, why so hostile.
They weren’t even hostile lmao. Maybe check your insecurities.
In that case didn’t Starcraft, Candy Crush, LoL, RDR, Overwatch already put them in their place?
I don’t know what you get out of being so intentionally obtuse about this. It feels like the slowest, most irrelevent attempt to troll I’ve ever seen.
I am glad other devs are making unique and interesting titles in the monster catching genre, since Pokemon has decidedly been squandering it’s IP.
Is that specific enough for you, or would you like to find a new way to feign ignorance about the similarities between the two games?
Sure but I don’t think an Arc clone means anything to Nintendo and I wouldn’t say it’s unique
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What a weird world we live in
The high of internet clout chasing has done irreparable damage to the human brain.
Hate to break up the bandwagon, but the modder didn’t say he faked anything at all. He tweeted that while he originally said that the models were “exactly” the same, he clarified that while they were not precisely 1:1 without any modifications at all, they were still the same model with minor adjustments.
Some other dude then jumped on the tweet and made up a narrative that the modder had faked everything. Then this “journalist” decided to make an entire article about a tweet from some random dude putting words in the modders mouth.
Given the rest of the editorializing in the article, I think we can pretty safely say this dude is coping hard.
Holy crap, what a garbage ragebait article
Saving you a click: there’s no new info here, it’s just the same hullabaloo over the guy who made the accusations rescaling the models so they’re the same size, and the author treating it as proof they faked it all
Which, I don’t personally have a strong opinion on whether it’s faked (especially since it’s been pointed out that models made using different programs and for different platforms can import in drastically different sizes) but it feels kind of disingenuous to say that it’s faked just because of that, y’know? It’s like if an artist takes a 1440p resolution image, traces over it, and posts the traced image in 720p resolution. I wouldn’t consider blowing up the traced 720p to 1440p as “faking” it or altering the traced image.
That article can only make you dumber.
Did yiu lose IQ points reading it? I’m glad I was warned ahead of time.
It’s like everyone exists to tear everyone else down now.
50 states of the same supposed society trying to beat eachother, an economy of 300 million people trying to get mooooaaaaar than their neighbors, and the cherry on top, social media stoked resentment between the haves and have nots.
This what happens when you configure a society to compete against itself, almost everyone ends up kicked in the teeth.
Except the owners of course. They like it like this. They helped mold it into this. As long as we keep tearing each other down, their game of divide and profit can proceed.
It would be nice if we could have just said “ooh, a fun game.” Instead there are legions of people daring Nintendo corporate to sue them, not for a good reason, just to start some shit for entertainment and tear people that made a fun thing down to feel important.
And the enshittification continues.
The world is MUCH larger than 50 states and 300 million people, and Palworld specifically is an international game with Japanese publishers
Ask your family to get you a globe or an atlus for your birthday. I generally agree with the intent of your message but the US has no ties to this situation. Nintendo and Pocketpair are both Japanese companies. From the country of Japan, one of those things we call a large amount of land that isn’t one of the 50 states of the universe.
Then we have artists from other gaming studios that are jumping into the Palworld controversy bandwagon. Shouldn’t these artists focus on their games? Or how about this? You are a 3D artist so you most likely have the appropriate tools installed on your PC. Export a 3D model from Palworld and do some investigation. It should be easy for you.
What a dumb take. Leaving the whole palworld debacle aside, is this person seriously saying that game artists shouldn’t ever do anything that’s not directly related to their game? Are they going to tell Gordon Ramsey to stop making TV programs to focus on cooking? People aren’t defined by their job.
Saying artists would already have the tools installed is also kinda dumb. Just because they can open and edit files doesn’t mean they would have tools and knowledge to rip them from the game.
Earlier in the article they’re blaming the media for not properly investigating these claims, something I can somewhat get behind, but why is this now also being extended to game artists? Should everyone fact check every single claim they see on the internet?
Should everyone fact check every single claim they see on the internet?
Only if you care about the truth.
Should everyone fact check every single claim they see on the internet?
YES. Yes. 100% yes. If you are going to accept a claim you see online or repeat it in any way, you absolutely need to confirm it.
I get where you are coming from, but the writer of the story was pointing out that artists should not bandwagon other people. Granted, dude is a terrible writer so I don’t blame anyone for missing the point. Also, the Gordon Ramsey analogy doesn’t quite work as Gordon is only the host of the show and doesn’t actually create it.
Ehhhh. These are the experts in the field. If they’re chiming in with “Yo this looks sketchy as fuck,” you should consider that, instead of bandwagoning, they’re speaking in their capacity as video game artists with experience and training in the matter.
That’s a great example on why appeal to authority is a fallacy instead of a logical argument:
Experts are human beings. They’re also prone to the same sort of disgusting irrational behaviour as everyone else. Including bandwagoning, vomiting certainty based on weak evidence, biases like “I want this to be true, so it’s true”, et cetera. And sometimes they’re simply wrong, even if they didn’t engage in any of those shitty things above.
As such, we (people in general) can’t rely on something being “said by an expert” to know if it’s true. We need to analyse the claim itself, in contrast with the evidences that each of us have at hand and some logical reasoning.
And someone might say “I don’t have the technical expertise to know it”. Well, then that person doesn’t get to know the truth, nor they should be a liar and claim to know something.
Actually, you’re misunderstanding why the Appeal to Authority is a fallacy- Appeal to Authority is one of the few fallacies that has both fallacious and non-fallacious uses. You shouldn’t take AtA being known as a fallacy as a reason to distrust authorities, or do some kind of ‘well I have to do my own, uneducated research on this subject.’ You shouldn’t take it as an automatic fallacy simply because the authority might have biases either. AtA is not an argument for anti-authoritarianism or anti-education.
The key here is that an appeal to authority is fallacious when it’s stated to support a position that is not related, or the authority is not an authority in the subject.
For example, if someone said “I’m a game developer, and I think this was stolen,” that could be a fallacious appeal to authority- they might work on sound engines! However, if someone says they’re an 3d modeler/animator and they think the mesh looks stolen because the edgelines for the tris map the same ways within the quads, which is unlikely to happen by accident, that’s a legitimate appeal to authority that is not fallacious. If someone says they’re a lawyer and think it’s stolen, this could be a fallacious appeal to authority- they might not be an IP lawyer.
They key is ensuring that the appeal to authority is relevant and is not predicated on the idea of being true simply because of who they are.
And no, ‘There is a theoretical possibility the authority could have had a bias’ is not an acceptable reason to dismiss an expert opinion as a fallacy.
I am not misunderstanding it.
The non-fallacious usage of appeal to authority only applies to inductive reasoning; however inductive reasoning does not allow you to claim things with certainty.
And the core of this matter here is a bunch of muppets claiming things with certainty, about a topic that they cannot reliably know, and the claim turning out false, regardless of what the “ekspurrts” said.
(The same applies to any other genetic fallacy, including ad populum, ad hominem, etc.)
You shouldn’t take AtA being known as a fallacy as a reason to distrust authorities, or do some kind of ‘well I have to do my own, uneducated research on this subject.’
Emphasis mine. You’re distorting what I said; refer to the fourth paragraph of the very comment that you’re replying to. In simpler words, “you don’t get to know after someone else’s claim”.
You shouldn’t take it as an automatic fallacy simply because the authority might have biases either.
It is automatically a fallacy as long as used to back up any sort of certainty (i.e. deductive reasoning). The conclusion itself might be true or false but it is not reliable.
At most you can use the authority of the claimer as a criterion for inductive reasoning; stronger if someone in the field, weaker if from a barely related field. That would be valid. But guess what - even with the best criteria, inductive reasoning still fails.
The key here is that an appeal to authority is fallacious when it’s stated to support a position that is not related, or the authority is not an authority in the subject.
- An argument from authority (argumentum ab auctoritate), also called an appeal to authority, or argumentum ad verecundiam, is a form of argument in which the opinion of an influential figure is used as evidence to support an argument.
- Description: Insisting that a claim is true simply because a valid authority or expert on the issue said it was true, without any other supporting evidence offered.
- appeal to authority // You said that because an authority thinks something, it must therefore be true.
The meaning conveyed by my usage of “appeal of authority” is aligned with the definitions within those three sites. What you’re referring to would be a second fallacy.
And no, ‘There is a theoretical possibility the authority could have had a bias’ is not an acceptable reason to dismiss an expert opinion as a fallacy.
The possibility of authorities being wrong is so theoretical, but so theoretical, that you’re commenting in a thread that doesn’t exist! [/sarcasm]
Side notes / off-topic:
- I’m not bothered by it myself but be aware that people in Lemmy are damn quick to catch this sort of “I assume that you’re an ignorant, so let me enlighten you” discourse.
- I’m almost sure that you’re used to discuss fallacies based on the inane shit that Reddit says; be aware that that site works through insane troll logic, and fallacies there get all distorted (e.g. they call any sort of insult “ad hominem”). If that is correct, you might need to relearn this shit, seriously. Wikipedia is a good start.
- I’m not sure on how much you know about inductive vs. deductive reasoning. I don’t mind explaining this if you don’t know it, but I’m not assuming that you’re an ignorant right off the bat.
I find it rather hilarious that you’re trying to warn me against discourse in the vein of "I assume you’re ignorant, so let me enlighten you’ while literally doing it yourself. You can try to pretend you’re not in #3, but you literally just spent like 8 paragraphs trying to do so. Incorrectly, at that, but since you clearly think you’re so much smarter than all the ignorant “muppets” (as you put it) out there who you’re dismissing as band-wagoners without doing any of your beloved deductive reasoning on the proof they’ve been providing I doubt you’ll actually consider it for a moment.
Even funnier is the fact that you’re trying to drag out all these debates about the exact definitions and semantics when in the end this only came up because of your own strawman in the first place- that being your own assumption that an appeal to authority was even happening in the first place, when I specifically noted that one should examine what the experts are saying instead of just dismissing them as band-wagoners.
That’s not the appeal to authority fallacy. What you described is why MAGA refuses to listen to experts re: the Covid vaccine and it’s specious logic at best. It also quickly backslides into “I don’t trust you because you’re an authority.”
Check the reply to the other user. Most things that I said there are relevant here.
What you described is why MAGA refuses to listen to experts re: the Covid vaccine and it’s specious logic at best.
By “maga” you mean the anti-vaxxers in Mexico, right?
What anti-vaxxers do, regardless of country, is to flip the fallacy around: from “authoriry said than its chrue lol” to “authoriry said than its false lmao”. It’s still a genetic* fallacy, i.e. they’re still being irrational; you need to analyse the claim itself, not who said it.
If you know how vaccines are made, you don’t need that appeal to authority on first place. You know that they’re mostly safe, and it’s overall better for society if you take the shot.
And, if you don’t know how vaccines are made, this situation with vaccines is better handled through inductive reasoning. But then you don’t get to say “I know it”, like anti-vaxxers do; you weight the risk based on your incomplete information. (And then you get people correctly mocking you for being misinformed.)
*“genetic” because it refers to the origin of the claim, instead of the claim itself.
It also quickly backslides into “I don’t trust you because you’re an authority.”
Appeal to consequences is also a fallacy.
Should everyone fact check every single claim they see on the internet?
Before regurgitating it?
It’s the bare minimum.
Should everyone fact check every single claim they see on the internet?
Yes when propagating said claim.
Me not giving a single fuck about IP.
lol, internet point vs damage he has to pay up.
“He ADMITTED that he FAKED EVERYTHING!!”
he didn’t admit shit
he didn’t fake shit
ok
I will literally play anything OTHER thank Pokemon. Nintendo is a shit company, everything I’ve read about them has painted them as incredibly litigious - and that would be almost ok, but it seems to always be at the expense of their own fans. Someone organizing a tournament for some shitty Nintendo game? They need Nintendo permission or they’re getting shutdown. Seriously? This is how you treat people who used their money to purchase your crap? Get fucked.
That being said - I’ve never gotten into the Pokemon craze. It just seemed like a dumb cartoon, boring games, money-grabbing cards etc. I remember trying Pokemon Go when it first appeared, getting hype about it for 1-2 days, then abandoning it cause there was nothing to do. Nothing interesting. Nothing fun. So imagine my fucking surprise when I found a dozen monster collector type games out there that are actually fun. I had always thought I didn’t like the genre. Turns out, I just don’t like shit games and/or the lack of nostalgia towards Pokemon prevented me from wearing rose-tinted glasses when looking at their shit-colored IP.
I hope Palworld makes it big enough to buy Nintendo and turn it into what it was born to be: a game development company focused exclusively on creating games based on the Palworld franchise. Fuck 'em.
Who saw this coming? Besides everyone.
Damage is already done, every single drama troll on the internet is declaring copyright infringement.
